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Post by k5 on Apr 25, 2011 22:15:02 GMT -5
eh, sting had more of an all-american natural charisma look while warrior was close to psychotic. i can see why an audience shifting from hogan would prefer sting to warrior.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 25, 2011 23:24:34 GMT -5
eh, sting had more of an all-american natural charisma look while warrior was close to psychotic. i can see why an audience shifting from hogan would prefer sting to warrior. Warrior made a bigger impression in 1990 because he had the WWF machine behind him. Much of the country had little or no access to the NWA/WCW. As much as the IWC hates on Warrior (myself included) he would have been the biggest thing in wrestling for years and years he stayed around. Despite his shortcomings, the crowds loved him.
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Post by machomadness on Apr 26, 2011 10:27:26 GMT -5
eh, sting had more of an all-american natural charisma look while warrior was close to psychotic. i can see why an audience shifting from hogan would prefer sting to warrior. Warrior made a bigger impression in 1990 because he had the WWF machine behind him. Much of the country had little or no access to the NWA/WCW. As much as the IWC hates on Warrior (myself included) he would have been the biggest thing in wrestling for years and years he stayed around. Despite his shortcomings, the crowds loved him. At the same time you could ask what would happen if Sting would have jumped ship. Sting had the look, was just as flashy and overall was a better worker and athlete then Warrior ever thought about being. Him being pushed by "the machine" would have made Warrior (and possibly Hogan) pale in comparison.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 26, 2011 12:33:35 GMT -5
Warrior made a bigger impression in 1990 because he had the WWF machine behind him. Much of the country had little or no access to the NWA/WCW. As much as the IWC hates on Warrior (myself included) he would have been the biggest thing in wrestling for years and years he stayed around. Despite his shortcomings, the crowds loved him. At the same time you could ask what would happen if Sting would have jumped ship. Sting had the look, was just as flashy and overall was a better worker and athlete then Warrior ever thought about being. Him being pushed by "the machine" would have made Warrior (and possibly Hogan) pale in comparison. Sting as Warrior's tag team partner and eventually adversary for the WWF title would have been similar to the Mega Powers meltdown heat. The crowds would have eaten it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2011 22:14:26 GMT -5
well we all know that Vinnie pursued Sting quite vigorously in the aftermath of Summerslam 91.he needed to replace Warrior and he looked at Borden.imagine Sting turning up to save Hogan at WM 8?
I think with Vinnies marketing machine behind him he would have been absolutely massive.Flair and so many others think he was wrong to turn Vince down in 91.I think Flair says it on some DVD or another.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 27, 2011 4:23:25 GMT -5
well we all know that Vinnie pursued Sting quite vigorously in the aftermath of Summerslam 91.he needed to replace Warrior and he looked at Borden.imagine Sting turning up to save Hogan at WM 8?
I think with Vinnies marketing machine behind him he would have been absolutely massive.Flair and so many others think he was wrong to turn Vince down in 91.I think Flair says it on some DVD or another. I've often envisioned a similar scenario. At WM 8, Flair loses to Steamboat instead of the recently buried/retired Macho Man. Sting comes in to save Hogan and eventually becomes the #1 contender. SummerSlam '92 is Sting vs Steamboat with Flair on the outside stirring the pot with two of his long-time rivals.
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Post by kidanimation09 on Apr 27, 2011 8:37:09 GMT -5
Rude should have beat him in the match he faced him for the title!
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Post by twinn on Apr 28, 2011 23:21:23 GMT -5
Sting coming down to save Hogan at WM8 would have been EPIC. Definitely would have made up for the fact that Hogan/Flair didn't happen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 10:36:23 GMT -5
Warrior had a decent and memorable title run. I don't think the same could be said for guys like Sid, Diesel, and even Yokozuna. I am able to remember Warrior's feuds, but as far as the other 3, I have a hard time remembering their title reign. Nothing too exciting about it; at least Warrior made an impression.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2011 6:39:23 GMT -5
Warrior had a decent and memorable title run. I don't think the same could be said for guys like Sid, Diesel, and even Yokozuna. I am able to remember Warrior's feuds, but as far as the other 3, I have a hard time remembering their title reign. Nothing too exciting about it; at least Warrior made an impression. Fair point. Sid was just a transitional Champ and I dont remember Diesels reign at the top that well at all...except for Bret dethroning him. Yokos was memorable though......defeating Hogan at KORT 93,then the Lex feud then the Undertaker at RR94
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 1, 2011 0:18:18 GMT -5
Warrior had a decent and memorable title run. I don't think the same could be said for guys like Sid, Diesel, and even Yokozuna. I am able to remember Warrior's feuds, but as far as the other 3, I have a hard time remembering their title reign. Nothing too exciting about it; at least Warrior made an impression. How can you not remember Yoko's reign(s)? In a period of one year, he got pinfalls over Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man, Hacksaw Duggan, Mr. Perfect, and The Undertaker. That about as big of a push as anyone has ever gotten.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 10:50:22 GMT -5
For some reason I only vaguely remember Yokozuna as champion. I remember his feuds with Taker and Luger, but I don't remember him being champion at the time. He probably was, but I guess I have a memory block. Going to have to youtube some of these older PPV's.
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Post by electricfeel on May 1, 2011 14:04:46 GMT -5
Sting saving Hogan at WM8 would have only hurt WCW possibly killing it before the nWo even debuted.
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Post by koreygunz on May 1, 2011 19:37:16 GMT -5
To bring this back on point a bit, I think Warrior's run as champion was a victim of his own character. The paint, the energy, the insane promos, all helped get him super over. No one can deny he was one of, if not THE, most over wrestler in 1990. If Vince had him beat Hogan clean, you know he was at the top. However, I think the reason Vince never really let go of Hogan as the face of the WWF is because Warrior wouldnt get across to the fans and the general public as a superstar who was relateable. You couldnt envision Warrior going on talk shows or doing commercials for Old Spice. His character didnt really allow for it. And even when he did do public appearances, it was so out of character that it seemed a little "off." I think the character of Warrior was both a gift and a curse for Jim Hellwig at this time in his career. It could only go so far.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 9:05:03 GMT -5
Sting saving Hogan at WM8 would have only hurt WCW possibly killing it before the nWo even debuted. nah.Hogan would still have went there.Savage and all the rest too.Sting would have been pushed in Vinces New Generation movement
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Post by machomadness on May 2, 2011 9:08:47 GMT -5
Sting saving Hogan at WM8 would have only hurt WCW possibly killing it before the nWo even debuted. nah.Hogan would still have went there.Savage and all the rest too.Sting would have been pushed in Vinces New Generation movement Sting would have probably had Bret's spot and Bret would have been bumped to HBKs spot and HBK would have probably left for WCW or been a mid carder.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 12:58:11 GMT -5
nah.Hogan would still have went there.Savage and all the rest too.Sting would have been pushed in Vinces New Generation movement Sting would have probably had Bret's spot and Bret would have been bumped to HBKs spot and HBK would have probably left for WCW or been a mid carder. not impossible at all.its fun imagining these scenarios
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 13:00:08 GMT -5
To bring this back on point a bit, I think Warrior's run as champion was a victim of his own character. The paint, the energy, the insane promos, all helped get him super over. No one can deny he was one of, if not THE, most over wrestler in 1990. If Vince had him beat Hogan clean, you know he was at the top. However, I think the reason Vince never really let go of Hogan as the face of the WWF is because Warrior wouldnt get across to the fans and the general public as a superstar who was relateable. You couldnt envision Warrior going on talk shows or doing commercials for Old Spice. His character didnt really allow for it. And even when he did do public appearances, it was so out of character that it seemed a little "off." I think the character of Warrior was both a gift and a curse for Jim Hellwig at this time in his career. It could only go so far. now theres a great point +1.well said man-his gimmick didnt lend itself outside WWF like Hogans. Imagine Warrior on a Talk Show rambling about the "Gods that bore him fruit" or some other mad poop.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 4, 2011 4:04:52 GMT -5
To bring this back on point a bit, I think Warrior's run as champion was a victim of his own character. The paint, the energy, the insane promos, all helped get him super over. No one can deny he was one of, if not THE, most over wrestler in 1990. If Vince had him beat Hogan clean, you know he was at the top. However, I think the reason Vince never really let go of Hogan as the face of the WWF is because Warrior wouldnt get across to the fans and the general public as a superstar who was relateable. You couldnt envision Warrior going on talk shows or doing commercials for Old Spice. His character didnt really allow for it. And even when he did do public appearances, it was so out of character that it seemed a little "off." I think the character of Warrior was both a gift and a curse for Jim Hellwig at this time in his career. It could only go so far. now theres a great point +1.well said man-his gimmick didnt lend itself outside WWF like Hogans. Imagine Warrior on a Talk Show rambling about the "Gods that bore him fruit" or some other mad poop. I remember seeing Warrior on Arsenio and Regis & Kathy Lee. He really couldn't be his persona on those shows like Hulk or Macho Man could. Granted, those guys were toned down, but seeing Warrior talk normally (on one of those shows he was in a singlet ) was very strange. This may have have taught the WWF a lesson. In '92 or '93, Taker was on Regis & Kathy Lee. He let Bearer do almost all of the talking, which allowed him to stay in character. I may have to see if those segments are on Youtube.
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Post by hulkhogancollector on May 5, 2011 0:13:13 GMT -5
To bring this back on point a bit, I think Warrior's run as champion was a victim of his own character. The paint, the energy, the insane promos, all helped get him super over. No one can deny he was one of, if not THE, most over wrestler in 1990. If Vince had him beat Hogan clean, you know he was at the top. However, I think the reason Vince never really let go of Hogan as the face of the WWF is because Warrior wouldnt get across to the fans and the general public as a superstar who was relateable. You couldnt envision Warrior going on talk shows or doing commercials for Old Spice. His character didnt really allow for it. And even when he did do public appearances, it was so out of character that it seemed a little "off." I think the character of Warrior was both a gift and a curse for Jim Hellwig at this time in his career. It could only go so far. now theres a great point +1.well said man-his gimmick didnt lend itself outside WWF like Hogans. Imagine Warrior on a Talk Show rambling about the "Gods that bore him fruit" or some other mad poop. ;D I too remember seeing Warrior on Arsenio Hall and the Slim Jim Ads on TV snap beef chewey lol
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