threehgame
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Post by threehgame on Jul 16, 2011 22:50:12 GMT -5
How can you say that though? To me that's like saying Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent are getting stale as Batman and Superman. One thing I hate about DC is how they have multiple identities for certain heroes. I'd be perfectly fine if Hal Jordan was the only GL and Barry Allen was the only Flash. Hal Jordan is not a dynamic character. He was built around a trait and that wore thin. Some characters just get stale. Hal Jordan was one of them. Clark Kent is another character that can easily get stale, hence the need for reboots and crisis events. I liked Barry Allen for a bit but Wally West grew into the role. Wally's evolution is fitting for how a side-kick should grow into the main spotlight, sadly Wally's character was turned into crap and he has run his course. Wally being replaced by Barry is fine, as Hal being replaced by Kyle was fine. Now things have come full circle in GL and Hal has been through enough and Johns has retconed enough for Hal to be exciting again. That said, Sinestro is now the GL so it seems this debate is moot right now.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 17, 2011 23:06:41 GMT -5
How can you say that though? To me that's like saying Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent are getting stale as Batman and Superman. One thing I hate about DC is how they have multiple identities for certain heroes. I'd be perfectly fine if Hal Jordan was the only GL and Barry Allen was the only Flash. Well, by that rationale, Green Lantern would be Alan Scott, and Flash would be Jay Garrick. Yeah, but they sucked which is why they redid them. The Silver Age versions are far superior and are considered to be the definitive versions of each character.
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Post by CM Poor on Jul 20, 2011 10:27:06 GMT -5
Well, by that rationale, Green Lantern would be Alan Scott, and Flash would be Jay Garrick. Yeah, but they sucked which is why they redid them. The Silver Age versions are far superior and are considered to be the definitive versions of each character. Ok, so by that rationale, Dick Grayson should have never aged and should still be running around in a green speedo and elf booties. I'd wager a guess that in regards to the Bat Family, Dick is more well known as the former Robin, current Nightwing rather than the "definitive" Robin. And FWIW, I thought that Bruce Wayne was getting stale as Batman and thought that Grayson Batman was a fresh change.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 20, 2011 20:12:20 GMT -5
Yeah, but they sucked which is why they redid them. The Silver Age versions are far superior and are considered to be the definitive versions of each character. Ok, so by that rationale, Dick Grayson should have never aged and should still be running around in a green speedo and elf booties. I'd wager a guess that in regards to the Bat Family, Dick is more well known as the former Robin, current Nightwing rather than the "definitive" Robin. And FWIW, I thought that Bruce Wayne was getting stale as Batman and thought that Grayson Batman was a fresh change. Just that thought alone is depressing to me.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 30, 2011 23:55:06 GMT -5
Yeah, but they sucked which is why they redid them. The Silver Age versions are far superior and are considered to be the definitive versions of each character. Ok, so by that rationale, Dick Grayson should have never aged and should still be running around in a green speedo and elf booties. I'd wager a guess that in regards to the Bat Family, Dick is more well known as the former Robin, current Nightwing rather than the "definitive" Robin. And FWIW, I thought that Bruce Wayne was getting stale as Batman and thought that Grayson Batman was a fresh change. I'm with you. When Bruce returned, I dropped my subscription. Dick as Batman was good.
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Post by k5 on Jul 31, 2011 13:13:32 GMT -5
it wasn't really that bruce was stale, to me, but moreso that they dragged him through that entire process, which gave the appearance of him having aged a bit, and then bringing him back to his role. same thing with cap/bucky
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Post by CM Poor on Jul 31, 2011 22:11:56 GMT -5
Ok, so by that rationale, Dick Grayson should have never aged and should still be running around in a green speedo and elf booties. I'd wager a guess that in regards to the Bat Family, Dick is more well known as the former Robin, current Nightwing rather than the "definitive" Robin. And FWIW, I thought that Bruce Wayne was getting stale as Batman and thought that Grayson Batman was a fresh change. Just that thought alone is depressing to me. I don't understand why. I've been reading comics for the better part of 17 years. Put a new voice under the cowl, and put it in the hands of Grant Morrison, and it's gonna come out fresh. Batman & Robin was my favorite book until Grant dropped off of it. The dynamic between Dick and Damian was new, exciting, and unexplored.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 1, 2011 12:04:57 GMT -5
Just that thought alone is depressing to me. I don't understand why. I've been reading comics for the better part of 17 years. Put a new voice under the cowl, and put it in the hands of Grant Morrison, and it's gonna come out fresh. Batman & Robin was my favorite book until Grant dropped off of it. The dynamic between Dick and Damian was new, exciting, and unexplored. I just really hate the existence of Dick Grayson/Robin, I try to forget he even exists sometimes as hard as it is, I just have a thing against sidekicks, and most of all Robin. Bruce Wayne is Batman, Clark Kent is Superman, Diana Prince is Wonder Woman, Barry Allen is The Flash and Hal Jordan is Green Lantern. IMO, that's how it should be, this business of having multiple people in the role of one hero pisses me off. None of these guys have ever gotten stale with me, least of all Bruce Wayne as Batman.
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Post by chumped on Aug 1, 2011 12:23:58 GMT -5
That's unfortunate. Dick Grayson is a great character.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 1, 2011 12:44:32 GMT -5
Well I'm okay with him as Nightwing. I definitely don't have a problem with Nightwing, I find him kind of boring but I don't hate him like I hate Robin. He is cool though so I also don't have a problem with him helping Batman out with Gotham, but I don't like the idea of Dick Grayson becoming Batman.
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Aug 1, 2011 12:57:03 GMT -5
Dick Grayson should be Batman, that's how it should keep going. Bruce can just be In the Batcave helping out.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 1, 2011 13:33:31 GMT -5
I just realized this is my Green Lantern thread, why are we talking about Batman?
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Post by chumped on Aug 1, 2011 13:47:43 GMT -5
Dick Grayson should be Batman, that's how it should keep going. Bruce can just be In the Batcave helping out. I really liked having both Bruce and Dick. Bruce in his globetrotting war against Leviathan with Dick and Damian protecting Gotham would have been great for the next year. But of course, DC has to appeal to those 5 new readers they are gonna get by 'simplifying" things.
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threehgame
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Post by threehgame on Aug 1, 2011 16:03:57 GMT -5
Bruce Wayne is Batman, Clark Kent is Superman, Diana Prince is Wonder Woman, Barry Allen is The Flash and Hal Jordan is Green Lantern. IMO, that's how it should be, this business of having multiple people in the role of one hero pisses me off. None of these guys have ever gotten stale with me, least of all Bruce Wayne as Batman. I have to ask, how long have you been reading comics and how far back have you gone into each character's past? Hal was fun for a while, but he was pushed aside by the idea of a Green Lantern Corps. He returned to center stage and no one cared so Kyle was introduced. Until Hal came back as the Spectre the outcry for his return was held to his core fans. When Hal came back the comic fan base at large loved him again, and as Johns often does, he grew bored with Hal and introduced a flood of people to cover for his lack of ideas for Jordan.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 2, 2011 9:02:20 GMT -5
Bruce Wayne is Batman, Clark Kent is Superman, Diana Prince is Wonder Woman, Barry Allen is The Flash and Hal Jordan is Green Lantern. IMO, that's how it should be, this business of having multiple people in the role of one hero pisses me off. None of these guys have ever gotten stale with me, least of all Bruce Wayne as Batman. I have to ask, how long have you been reading comics and how far back have you gone into each character's past? Hal was fun for a while, but he was pushed aside by the idea of a Green Lantern Corps. He returned to center stage and no one cared so Kyle was introduced. Until Hal came back as the Spectre the outcry for his return was held to his core fans. When Hal came back the comic fan base at large loved him again, and as Johns often does, he grew bored with Hal and introduced a flood of people to cover for his lack of ideas for Jordan. I've just recently decided to make the switch from Marvel to DC, so when it comes to DC I haven't been reading that long but I'm a fast learner and I've already learned a sh*t ton of stuff when it comes to DC. But other than Batman, I haven't been a fan of like the Green Lantern and stuff for as long as most people to know what it was like to get sick of Hal Jordan, but I understand how the same character can get stale after a while for some people, but they just don't get stale with me for some reason. I have been a Batman fan my entire life, and I never got sick of Bruce Wayne as Batman. I hardly ever watched the show Batman Beyond because of the fact that Bruce Wayne wasn't Batman.
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 2, 2011 10:18:24 GMT -5
To steer the subject back to the Green Lantern - I'm incredibly disappointed with the solicits for the new 52 showing Hal Jordan back in a Green Lantern outfit. Both my brother and I both breathed a sigh of relief at the end of The War when Hal was stripped of his ring and sent back to Earth. I'd much rather read some new stories about Thaal Sinestro - the unwilling lantern.
FWIW, being a "fast learner", and even delving into a character's past via select key stories is no substitute for buying these books every week for close to two decades. Do that for a time and you'll be watering at the mouth for something new.
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Post by moocow on Aug 2, 2011 11:42:18 GMT -5
To steer the subject back to the Green Lantern - I'm incredibly disappointed with the solicits for the new 52 showing Hal Jordan back in a Green Lantern outfit. Both my brother and I both breathed a sigh of relief at the end of The War when Hal was stripped of his ring and sent back to Earth. I'd much rather read some new stories about Thaal Sinestro - the unwilling lantern. FWIW, being a "fast learner", and even delving into a character's past via select key stories is no substitute for buying these books every week for close to two decades. Do that for a time and you'll be watering at the mouth for something new. Isn't he only on the one for Justice League? I'm pretty sure he's only on there because the first JL arc takes place in the past.
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 2, 2011 12:25:54 GMT -5
To steer the subject back to the Green Lantern - I'm incredibly disappointed with the solicits for the new 52 showing Hal Jordan back in a Green Lantern outfit. Both my brother and I both breathed a sigh of relief at the end of The War when Hal was stripped of his ring and sent back to Earth. I'd much rather read some new stories about Thaal Sinestro - the unwilling lantern. FWIW, being a "fast learner", and even delving into a character's past via select key stories is no substitute for buying these books every week for close to two decades. Do that for a time and you'll be watering at the mouth for something new. Isn't he only on the one for Justice League? I'm pretty sure he's only on there because the first JL arc takes place in the past. I certainly hope so. My shop put out a great primer for their subscribers, allowing them to subscribe to an entire series, or single #1's. I reserved first issues for Batman & Robin, Nightwing, Justice League, and The New Guardians, and subscribed to Green Lanterns and The Red Lanterns. I'm so non-committal.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 2, 2011 17:36:44 GMT -5
To steer the subject back to the Green Lantern - I'm incredibly disappointed with the solicits for the new 52 showing Hal Jordan back in a Green Lantern outfit. Both my brother and I both breathed a sigh of relief at the end of The War when Hal was stripped of his ring and sent back to Earth. I'd much rather read some new stories about Thaal Sinestro - the unwilling lantern. FWIW, being a "fast learner", and even delving into a character's past via select key stories is no substitute for buying these books every week for close to two decades. Do that for a time and you'll be watering at the mouth for something new. Well, like I said too, I've been a Batman fan since I can remember and not once have I ever wanted someone else to be Batman other than Bruce Wayne.
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threehgame
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Post by threehgame on Aug 2, 2011 17:45:52 GMT -5
To steer the subject back to the Green Lantern - I'm incredibly disappointed with the solicits for the new 52 showing Hal Jordan back in a Green Lantern outfit. Both my brother and I both breathed a sigh of relief at the end of The War when Hal was stripped of his ring and sent back to Earth. I'd much rather read some new stories about Thaal Sinestro - the unwilling lantern. FWIW, being a "fast learner", and even delving into a character's past via select key stories is no substitute for buying these books every week for close to two decades. Do that for a time and you'll be watering at the mouth for something new. Isn't he only on the one for Justice League? I'm pretty sure he's only on there because the first JL arc takes place in the past. The first JLA story takes place 5 years in the past then supposedly we will time shift to the present which allows for the previous bits of continuity to happen (Sinestro becoming GL, Cyborg being a Titan, etc etc). Hopefully Sinestro's stories are just that, him as a lanternt trying to redeem himself or deal with the constraints of being a Lantern in a universe he helped turn upside down. Let Hal sit in the corner for a bit so Sinestro's story can be fully told.
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