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Post by Raine on Aug 1, 2007 13:40:28 GMT -5
Here's a little something I was thinking about the other day and it was if WCW was still going, what main event wrestlers would they be using now? Back in the mid 1990's they were using mainly former WWF headliners from the 80's, Hogan, Savage and later Hall & Nash due to WCW inability to make their own headliners other than Goldberg, Giant & Booker T. But if they continued to use the same formula by using former WWE headline acts from yesteryear, I don't think the could've really done now it as Foley wouldn't have gone back, Big Show, Austin have retired, HBK & Taker will never leave the WWE, The Rock is now a movie star & HHH is the boss's son in law. I suppose they could have still used Sting, Flair, Steiner maybe Angle & Lesnar but their's not many main eventers around now that they could have used if they were still going. Any thoughts?
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Post by gothackedagain on Aug 1, 2007 13:50:28 GMT -5
Back in the mid 1990's they were using mainly former WWF headliners from the 80's, Hogan, Savage and later Hall & Nash due to WCW inability to make their own headliners other than Goldberg, Giant & Booker T. The ability to make their own stars? Are you kidding me? Sting, Page, Bagwell, Kanyon, Shane Helms, Kidman, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2007 13:51:48 GMT -5
I read Booker T said if the promotion never went under, he would still be with them. Who knows, maybe people that are in the WWE now would have went to WCW and main-evented there instead.
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Post by WOOOOOOO!! on Aug 1, 2007 17:03:57 GMT -5
Plus, I imagine guys like AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels star would have risen alot faster considering WCW had more exposure at its death than TNA does now.
Man, I wish that sale never happend, and someway somehow, WCW was able to either stay on TNT or land a deal with FOX or something.
[threadjack]Ha! I just realized, WCW was rummored to go to FOX and FX, just like TNA is now....interesting when you consider all the slanted BS that has been coming from Fox News (along with every other media outlet) here in the past two months or so..[/threadjack]
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2007 17:29:23 GMT -5
i wish turner would make a new wcw just with a newer name
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Post by taker1 on Aug 1, 2007 18:47:50 GMT -5
Back in the mid 1990's they were using mainly former WWF headliners from the 80's, Hogan, Savage and later Hall & Nash due to WCW inability to make their own headliners other than Goldberg, Giant & Booker T. The ability to make their own stars? Are you kidding me? Sting, Page, Bagwell, Kanyon, Shane Helms, Kidman, etc... Yeah but the problem was that they never pushed them. They had a lot of homegrown talent, but they were always stuck in the midcard or below. The only one from that list that was really PUSHED was Sting. DDP had a few title reigns, but they didn't last very long.
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Post by WOOOOOOO!! on Aug 1, 2007 21:50:28 GMT -5
Bagwell could've been more than what he ever was. But his attitude and behavior kept him from ever going anywhere. WCW was actually smart for not pushing someone who's ego was already uncontrollable. Kidman...WCW dropped the ball.. Kanyon...well...I always thought he sucked so...
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Post by stingerfan on Aug 2, 2007 12:39:16 GMT -5
i wish turner would make a new wcw just with a newer name Turner doesn't run AOL-Time Warner anymore, thats why WCW was sold, because Turner wanted to keep WCW around but when he was kicked out of the company WCW was sold a little later.
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Post by Raine on Aug 2, 2007 13:36:55 GMT -5
The ability to make their own stars? Are you kidding me? Sting, Page, Bagwell, Kanyon, Shane Helms, Kidman, etc... Are you kidding? Kanyon, Helms, Kidman were never main eventers and never would have been. Sting was an NWA creation from 10 years earlier. DDP they created as a main event star yes but was in his mid 40's so had a limited shelf life. I agree they created Booker, Giant, Goldberg, Steiner but other than that I struggle where as if you compared it to Vince's creations at the same time period you have Austin, Rock, Mankind, Kane, HBK, HHH, Shamrock just to name a few, doesn't compare really does it.
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 3, 2007 13:14:58 GMT -5
The ability to make their own stars? Are you kidding me? Sting, Page, Bagwell, Kanyon, Shane Helms, Kidman, etc... Are you kidding? Kanyon, Helms, Kidman were never main eventers and never would have been. Sting was an NWA creation from 10 years earlier. DDP they created as a main event star yes but was in his mid 40's so had a limited shelf life. I agree they created Booker, Giant, Goldberg, Steiner but other than that I struggle where as if you compared it to Vince's creations at the same time period you have Austin, Rock, Mankind, Kane, HBK, HHH, Shamrock just to name a few, doesn't compare really does it. I fail to see how anyone can put the names Shamrock, Helms or Kidman in the same sentence with main eventers and future hall of famers. As i mentioned in another thread if wcw was around i could imagin they would have raided TNA talent and ROH Talent or what would have been TNA and ROH talent. Guys like Christopher Daniels, AJ Styles, Bryan Danielson, James Storm, Chris Harris, Elix Skipper would all be in WCW. Plus they would have probably picked up WWE releases like Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Christian. Ill even give them stars like CM Punk and Colt Cabana. I think Eric Bischoff would have brought the company back from the dead with great talent. Bischoff is like Heyman. I dont think they get enough credit for what they can and have done in the business of wrestling because vince bought them bout. Notice i didnt say he put them out of business he BOUGHT them out
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Post by Raine on Aug 3, 2007 14:00:22 GMT -5
I agree Shamrock will never be a hall of famer, but you cannot disagree that in 97/98 he was a main eventer. (IYH: DX & IYH: Canadian Stampede) plus would have main evented more with Bret Hart if the screwjob hadn't gone ahead. He won the KOTR 98 & had several high profile matches with The Rock.
As far as Vince goes he didn't buy ECW out of business, they were already dead due to mounting debts and being unable to get a new TV deal. He just bought the name & library once they had finished. WCW however could have still been alive if Bischoff had got the funding together to buy WCW.
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 3, 2007 14:13:58 GMT -5
I agree Shamrock will never be a hall of famer, but you cannot disagree that in 97/98 he was a main eventer. (IYH: DX & IYH: Canadian Stampede) plus would have main evented more with Bret Hart if the screwjob hadn't gone ahead. He won the KOTR 98 & had several high profile matches with The Rock. As far as Vince goes he didn't buy ECW out of business, they were already dead due to mounting debts and being unable to get a new TV deal. He just bought the name & library once they had finished. WCW however could have still been alive if Bischoff had got the funding together to buy WCW. Ill give Shamrock upper mid card. Like where he main evented IYH DX, who was around then that could have fueded with HBK? Taker had Kane, they were building rock and austin into big stars. They couldnt have one of them go over HBK yet they couldnt have one of them Job to him so Shamrock was really the only choice. When i say Vince bought ECW out of buisness he kinda did. You have to think right when ecw got there tv deal where did their stars go? Thats right WWE. ECW lost guys like Taz, Buh Buh Ray Dudley, Dvon Dudley, Spike Dudley. No he might not have bought the company persay but his money bought the stars which really hurt ECW. Sure theres more to it but losing guys like that didnt help
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Post by spacejam on Aug 3, 2007 18:45:14 GMT -5
if WCW was still around TNA wouldnt of ever started
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Post by robby.blade on Aug 3, 2007 19:44:00 GMT -5
as much as some people wont admit it, ECW helped a lot in the death of WCW.
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 3, 2007 19:45:08 GMT -5
Back in the mid 1990's they were using mainly former WWF headliners from the 80's, Hogan, Savage and later Hall & Nash due to WCW inability to make their own headliners other than Goldberg, Giant & Booker T. The ability to make their own stars? Are you kidding me? Sting, Page, Bagwell, Kanyon, Shane Helms, Kidman, etc... Sting Page thats it from your list as nobody else was never "made" and in the same position until the end of WCW
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Aug 3, 2007 19:51:49 GMT -5
My thoughts of the modern day product:
RAW - Nitro Smackdown! - Thunder! ECW - Early 90's WWF.
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Post by Raine on Aug 4, 2007 11:43:24 GMT -5
Well the WWE are now starting to get circa 2001 Nitro ratings lol
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Post by Raine on Aug 4, 2007 11:48:51 GMT -5
I think that Taz & The Dudleys had really run there course in ECW by then though. The Dudleys were 10 time tag champs by then and even Taz said he had reached his pinnacle, and wanted a new challenge. I think given a little more time Heyman would have created new stars for ECW if they had been given a fair shake by TNN.
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Post by Too Sweet on Aug 5, 2007 5:24:26 GMT -5
Plus, I imagine guys like AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels star would have risen alot faster considering WCW had more exposure at its death than TNA does now. That was a time where Wrestling was at an All time high ( Thanks to the Attitude Era ).
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Aug 5, 2007 6:54:20 GMT -5
We're not really sure what would've happened to WCW if they were still around today. I kinda wish they were because I do miss the old Monday Night Wars. During that time period, it was more fun to be a wrestling fan back then than it is now.
I'd almost like to see Ted Turner buy TNA and give them more exposure and a 2-hour time slot on Monday and start up the Monday Night Wars again. That would be very interesting to see what would happen there.
TNA is a great organization but what they need most at this point is more time. With all the talent they've got, 1 hour a week just isn't cutting it. They've got way too much talent and not enough time to showcase it. I think that will ultimately hurt them in the long run.
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