The Highwayman
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Post by The Highwayman on May 31, 2011 19:34:01 GMT -5
Okay... Sorry for the suggestion.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 31, 2011 22:08:31 GMT -5
Well they can't make any of these guys right now: Sting Hogan Jeff Jarrett Ric Flair Scott Steiner Kurt Angle So essentially you have: Bret Hart DDP Booker T Sid Nash The Giant Lex Luger Ron Simmons Goldberg We already have Savage and Vader, obviously I want WCW versions of Savage as well but for the sake of the argument check those guys off. So there are about 9 guys that are feasible over the last 20ish years of the WCW title. On to WWE, which has a lot of similar champions don't you think? Throw in the fact that you still can't make RVD or Mankind, and you are left with: Yokozuna JBL Legends HBK Legends Taker Legends Triple H... Everyone else we have either had or can't be made right now. So you are essentially looking at less than 15 guys that can be made right now. Not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't see this HUGE bracket of guys you are talking about. Your scenario creates a situation where we see a ton of major guys being made in different attires over and over again. I am ok with that to a certain degree but you put way too much stock in champions imo. You're leaving a few off the list. Considering we've seen wrestlers as far back as the late 80s, how about: Andre the Giant Camo Sarge Bob Backlund Early Kane Add those to the 14 you listed (18) and divide those by 4, which is the number Mattel said they were gonna reduce each series to, then you figure how long it takes to release a new series, then those will last you at least another year. And that's if you release only ONE version of each. And maybe by that time, some of the untouchables will open up. Mattel's target demographic wasn't born prior to like 1990 so that is where I really cut it off. You alluded to that in your Arn Anderson vs Tully Blanchard comparison. Kane I forgot, he would sell imo, but Bob Backlund would warm the shelves, even though he lurked through the mid 90's. Andre is a big recognizable star, we know we are getting him. Sarge I believe needs to be short packed, even in camo. I still see his L1 figure lingering around most places I go. Everyone else we have either had or can't be made right now. So you are essentially looking at less than 15 guys that can be made right now. Not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't see this HUGE bracket of guys you are talking about. Your scenario creates a situation where we see a ton of major guys being made in different attires over and over again. I am ok with that to a certain degree but you put way too much stock in champions imo. Yes but 15 guys with 2 Costumes each = 30 guys ...  all in all if they sprinkled 2 of these 15 guys in each series thats 7 More Series Anchored down by 2 Main Eventers... by then they can re-use Macho man and Warrior and maybe even those guys in TNA . Plus guys like HBK have had many popular costumes... Anyway im not arguing , Im just sayin i think those 15 are enough... 2 Main Eventer, 2 Mid Carders, 1 Obscure figure.... they can go on another 10 series with those guys headlining the legends line Also you forgot Scott Hall (wwe is paying for his rehab, so he's probably gonna have a figure) I am in agreement with you. He was suggesting using all former World Champions strictly in the line. Thus the reason Scott Hall wasn't involved in the conversation. I think what he suggested was a good way to pick the 2 anchors of the set that other guys can piggyback off of to fill out the 4. I think the champion route works in moderation, not in a situation where you use just those guys to strictly fill out a series. |
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Post by punksnotdead on May 31, 2011 22:14:04 GMT -5
Okay... Sorry for the suggestion. Sorry for the double, but I am with you on Basic Legends. I think if the Basic guys would come with an accessory that it would be less of an issue. Working a Legend into the Basic line, while still keeping the 4 we are getting, is something I would be more than open to but seems unlikely. I know I have said this before but I feel like working in Legends like Vince, JR, King from the mid 90s, The Fink, Sunny, Elizabeth, Bobby the Brain, or characters like that into the Basic line would be a good idea. They wouldn't eat up a Legends slot and we could still get them. We could even get something like a Mike Tyson or a commentary version of Mr. Perfect maybe? |
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Post by JoeRocco420 on Jun 1, 2011 0:08:52 GMT -5
When, Mattel?  ?? |
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Post by JoeRocco420 on Jun 1, 2011 0:09:35 GMT -5
I am a real American.
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Post by Robert69 on Jun 1, 2011 0:24:55 GMT -5
Guys don't have to be champions to sell, I guarantee Big Boss Man, Tatanka, Doink and Glacier (most I've mentioned in this thread before) would all sell either because the targeted demo remembers/likes them, or the hardcore traders buy everything that comes out...Billy Kidman, DDP, Nash, Hall, Pac, Dogg/Gunn, Chyna, Gangrel, Bret, Vince, the list can go on and on of popular individuals, and you have some champs sprinkled in there but most are midcarders...I'd even take a Shane McMahon street clothes Mattel...
Get some Ravens, Konnan, Miss Liz, Lugers, etc...they could dot another 20 series and make them really awesome series. Hell, give me a Vince Russo figure just to squash every pic fed episode I do...or to blow up every 4th of July.
And someone mentioned D'Lo Brown before with me mentioning Ken Shamrock, again Steve Blackman and those like...they may not sell AS well (I maintain because of his MMA history Shamrock would)...but they wouldn't warm pegs...
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Post by theimmortal on Jun 1, 2011 0:35:34 GMT -5
You're leaving a few off the list. Considering we've seen wrestlers as far back as the late 80s, how about: Andre the Giant Camo Sarge Bob Backlund Early Kane Add those to the 14 you listed (18) and divide those by 4, which is the number Mattel said they were gonna reduce each series to, then you figure how long it takes to release a new series, then those will last you at least another year. And that's if you release only ONE version of each. And maybe by that time, some of the untouchables will open up. so that is where I really cut it off. You alluded to that in your Arn Anderson vs Tully Blanchard comparison. Kane I forgot, he would sell imo, but Bob Backlund would warm the shelves, even though he lurked through the mid 90's. Andre is a big recognizable star, we know we are getting him. Sarge I believe needs to be short packed, even in camo. I still see his L1 figure lingering around most places I go. Yes but 15 guys with 2 Costumes each = 30 guys ... all in all if they sprinkled 2 of these 15 guys in each series thats 7 More Series Anchored down by 2 Main Eventers... by then they can re-use Macho man and Warrior and maybe even those guys in TNA . Plus guys like HBK have had many popular costumes... Anyway im not arguing , Im just sayin i think those 15 are enough... 2 Main Eventer, 2 Mid Carders, 1 Obscure figure.... they can go on another 10 series with those guys headlining the legends line Also you forgot Scott Hall (wwe is paying for his rehab, so he's probably gonna have a figure) Says who? How do we know Mattel doesnt target the a more adult oriented collectors crowd with this line with hopes of the younger fan picking it up as well. You're typical WWE fan demographic is probably 7-10 years old. Guess what, they're not going to know Hakushi or D-Lo Brown either. Im positive NONE of us know what demographic Mattel is aiming at except for Mattel executives themselves. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 1, 2011 9:30:21 GMT -5
Mattel's target demographic wasn't born prior to like 1990 so that is where I really cut it off. You alluded to that in your Arn Anderson vs Tully Blanchard comparison. Kane I forgot, he would sell imo, but Bob Backlund would warm the shelves, even though he lurked through the mid 90's. Andre is a big recognizable star, we know we are getting him. Sarge I believe needs to be short packed, even in camo. I still see his L1 figure lingering around most places I go. Yes but 15 guys with 2 Costumes each = 30 guys ... all in all if they sprinkled 2 of these 15 guys in each series thats 7 More Series Anchored down by 2 Main Eventers... by then they can re-use Macho man and Warrior and maybe even those guys in TNA . Plus guys like HBK have had many popular costumes... Anyway im not arguing , Im just sayin i think those 15 are enough... 2 Main Eventer, 2 Mid Carders, 1 Obscure figure.... they can go on another 10 series with those guys headlining the legends line Also you forgot Scott Hall (wwe is paying for his rehab, so he's probably gonna have a figure) Says who? How do we know Mattel doesnt target the a more adult oriented collectors crowd with this line with hopes of the younger fan picking it up as well. You're typical WWE fan demographic is probably 7-10 years old. Guess what, they're not going to know Hakushi or D-Lo Brown either. Im positive NONE of us know what demographic Mattel is aiming at except for Mattel executives themselves. Ask me when I think we will see D-Lo or Hakushi in the Legends line... Suggested age is 8 and up. If you ever shop online, you can find a number of places where the suggested age range is from 8-12. Additionally, Mattel is a publicly traded company with a 10k that will clearly define their consumer market. But I bet NONE of us have the ability to go find that in Mattel's secret executives layer for information hidden from the collector market to use as ammunition in forum discussion  |
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Post by PJ on Jun 1, 2011 10:11:07 GMT -5
Mattel has been on the many of the boards saying the Legends line is targeted more towards the adault collectors, but of course their suggested age will be Children over 3...at the end of the day they are still considered childrens toys to most.
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Post by hierosis on Jun 1, 2011 10:48:47 GMT -5
Guys don't have to be champions to sell, I guarantee Big Boss Man, Tatanka, Doink and Glacier (most I've mentioned in this thread before) would all sell either because the targeted demo remembers/likes them, or the hardcore traders buy everything that comes out...Billy Kidman, DDP, Nash, Hall, Pac, Dogg/Gunn, Chyna, Gangrel, Bret, Vince, the list can go on and on of popular individuals, and you have some champs sprinkled in there but most are midcarders...I'd even take a Shane McMahon street clothes Mattel... Get some Ravens, Konnan, Miss Liz, Lugers, etc...they could dot another 20 series and make them really awesome series. Hell, give me a Vince Russo figure just to squash every pic fed episode I do...or to blow up every 4th of July. And someone mentioned D'Lo Brown before with me mentioning Ken Shamrock, again Steve Blackman and those like...they may not sell AS well (I maintain because of his MMA history Shamrock would)...but they wouldn't warm pegs... Honestly, I was a die hard fan throughout the 90's, and I barely remember Glacier. And I definitely wouldn't buy a figure of him. Same goes for guys like Blackman and a few others you listed. There are definitely some must haves there. But not those two. if you think Pillman has been sitting on shelves, well, glacier will probably move out of stores about as fast as, well, a glacier would. (Rimshot!) |
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Post by Robert69 on Jun 1, 2011 11:26:59 GMT -5
If they did a Legends of him with his entire outfit, sky blue eyes and everything (His Sub-Zero look) I think he would be a hot seller based on appearance alone. That's the only reason that I myself would buy him. He looked cool as hell. Blackman's out of respect. I mean, I always heard people saying he was horribly underrated but when I was little I remember him ALWAYS being on TV...so he had to have been liked by someone...
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Post by mrhoss on Jun 1, 2011 11:28:50 GMT -5
I don't think many want to read the 10k. But it does point out how reliant Mattel is on the whims of its three major customers (Walmart, TRU, Target) and their ability to cancel orders at any moment. Plus a great portion of their sales are made during a short period of the year and their target audience is leaving behind their traditional toys at younger and younger ages. I didn't see the words "adult collector" anywhere. But I doubt they would put such an emphasis on SDCC if they didn't have a great interest in adult buyers.
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Post by mrhoss on Jun 1, 2011 11:36:14 GMT -5
If they did a Legends of him with his entire outfit, sky blue eyes and everything (His Sub-Zero look) I think he would be a hot seller based on appearance alone. That's the only reason that I myself would buy him. He became a joke but I would buy one. I'm sure Mattel would do a cool job. |
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Post by theimmortal on Jun 1, 2011 12:33:18 GMT -5
Mattel has been on the many of the boards saying the Legends line is targeted more towards the adault collectors, but of course their suggested age will be Children over 3...at the end of the day they are still considered childrens toys to most. Which is exactly my point. Mattel people have said that its directed towards Adults but clearly its still a "toy" so they are also hoping kids pick this up as well. Its not directed towards children though. |
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Post by Robert69 on Jun 1, 2011 23:11:00 GMT -5
If they did a Legends of him with his entire outfit, sky blue eyes and everything (His Sub-Zero look) I think he would be a hot seller based on appearance alone. That's the only reason that I myself would buy him. He became a joke but I would buy one. I'm sure Mattel would do a cool job. Not disagreeing one bit. As a matter of fact, I remember that you could literally sit and watch Nitro and Thunder and watch the decline of what started as a pretty big fan favorite to a complete and utter joke of a gimmick. But I still stand by the fact that Mattel would make an awesome Glacier (Sub-zero look) from his debut. That was my only point with that particular superstar. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 23:21:30 GMT -5
Glacier and Mortis Would Be Two of the Awesomest Mattel Legends by Design.... Also i really hope they make a Giant Gonzalez with Real Fur Cuz it would look so Epic... Ahh... Cant wait to see what Legends Come Next  |
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Post by mrhoss on Jun 1, 2011 23:33:00 GMT -5
He became a joke but I would buy one. I'm sure Mattel would do a cool job. Not disagreeing one bit. As a matter of fact, I remember that you could literally sit and watch Nitro and Thunder and watch the decline of what started as a pretty big fan favorite to a complete and utter joke of a gimmick. But I still stand by the fact that Mattel would make an awesome Glacier (Sub-zero look) from his debut. That was my only point with that particular superstar. LOL, I was being serious. I see nothing wrong with placing a guy with an interesting gimmick into the line even if he isn't a "Legend". Remember Heidenreich? I bought his figure because he had nice face paint. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 11:12:40 GMT -5
i think the one definite change is you will see a lot more "brand name" wrestlers in every series...maybe even TWO "main event" guys in each series... Series 1 had Austin...other than the K-Mart HOF figures,they sold pretty well around here... Series 2 had none...maybe Jake (?) .....they pegwarmed massively around here... Series 3 had The Rock....everyone but Pillman sold here.... Series 4 had the Warrior...sold briskly.... Series 5 had Savage....we only got 2 cases here,but both went.... ....so i think they learned from the mistake of not having a "Big Name" ,or perhaps more approriately a name known to the general public , with Series 2 and have corrected all subsuquent series to make sure there's at least one there....i expect LOTS of repaints/remolds of Warrior (already happening) , Savage, Austin,Rock,HBK, Undertaker (when he retires), Hogan and Flair (when available) , HBK....possibly Andre....Hart,Nash/Diesel... i would expect something like: Series 7: Rockers HBK (main eventer) Rockers Marty Jannetty Andre the Giant (main eventer) Arn Anderson DDP Series 8: NOD Rock ( main eventer) Macho King Randy Savage (main eventer) Warlord Barbarian Honky Tonk Man Series 9: Ultimate Warrior w/ singlet (main eventer) Bret Hart (main eventer) Tully Blanchard Lex Luger Big Boss Man Series 10: Diesel (main eventer) Steve Austin jeans and shirt (main eventer) One Man Gang Blake Beverly Beau Beverly Series 11: Hollywood Hulk Hogan (main eventer) Goldberg (main eventer) Earthquake Typhoon The Mountie Series 12: nWo Randy Savage (main eventer) Bret Hart repaint (main eventer) Mabel Mo Booker T ....something along those lines,with 2 mainstream guys per series,hoping for the guaranteed sales,and a mix of semi-well know to obscure wrestler making up the rest of the mixes... A good idea with having 2 mainstream guys per series but that line up is horrible, I only buy guys I don't already own, ie guys that Jakks hasn't already made just a couple of years previous, In your theory The only one we have never had before is Mo who I never would buy especially pay over £30 for which they cost here, Mo probably isn't doing much now you could probably pay the guy to come over to your home in person for cheaper than it cost for the actual figure that they would charge here in the UK., Before people start saying that was Jakks this is Mattel, The most wanted figures I have seen are all been guys who have never been made before like Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat and the Von Erichs. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 2, 2011 20:04:59 GMT -5
If they did a Legends of him with his entire outfit, sky blue eyes and everything (His Sub-Zero look) I think I think you're confusing: with A Glacier figure would be a terrible seller. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 2, 2011 20:11:33 GMT -5
i think the one definite change is you will see a lot more "brand name" wrestlers in every series...maybe even TWO "main event" guys in each series... Series 1 had Austin...other than the K-Mart HOF figures,they sold pretty well around here... Series 2 had none...maybe Jake (?) .....they pegwarmed massively around here... Series 3 had The Rock....everyone but Pillman sold here.... Series 4 had the Warrior...sold briskly.... Series 5 had Savage....we only got 2 cases here,but both went.... ....so i think they learned from the mistake of not having a "Big Name" ,or perhaps more approriately a name known to the general public , with Series 2 and have corrected all subsuquent series to make sure there's at least one there....i expect LOTS of repaints/remolds of Warrior (already happening) , Savage, Austin,Rock,HBK, Undertaker (when he retires), Hogan and Flair (when available) , HBK....possibly Andre....Hart,Nash/Diesel... i would expect something like: Series 7: Rockers HBK (main eventer) Rockers Marty Jannetty Andre the Giant (main eventer) Arn Anderson DDP Series 8: NOD Rock ( main eventer) Macho King Randy Savage (main eventer) Warlord Barbarian Honky Tonk Man Series 9: Ultimate Warrior w/ singlet (main eventer) Bret Hart (main eventer) Tully Blanchard Lex Luger Big Boss Man Series 10: Diesel (main eventer) Steve Austin jeans and shirt (main eventer) One Man Gang Blake Beverly Beau Beverly Series 11: Hollywood Hulk Hogan (main eventer) Goldberg (main eventer) Earthquake Typhoon The Mountie Series 12: nWo Randy Savage (main eventer) Bret Hart repaint (main eventer) Mabel Mo Booker T ....something along those lines,with 2 mainstream guys per series,hoping for the guaranteed sales,and a mix of semi-well know to obscure wrestler making up the rest of the mixes... A good idea with having 2 mainstream guys per series but that line up is horrible, I only buy guys I don't already own, ie guys that Jakks hasn't already made just a couple of years previous, In your theory The only one we have never had before is Mo who I never would buy especially pay over £30 for which they cost here, Mo probably isn't doing much now you could probably pay the guy to come over to your home in person for cheaper than it cost for the actual figure that they would charge here in the UK., Before people start saying that was Jakks this is Mattel, The most wanted figures I have seen are all been guys who have never been made before like Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat and the Von Erichs. thing is,though,if Mattel IS concerned about the line,we WILL see more and more Jakks rehashes,as they won't be as willing to take a chance on a Kevin Von Erich, or a Glacier,or Norman Smiley,or Hugh Morris,etc. in the future as they will a Lex Luger ,or Earthquake,Or Honky Tonk Man, etc.... |
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