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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 10:19:12 GMT -5
If Miz isn't over then why is Riley still being cheered for what he did to Miz? Yeah, can't be because of Miz's overness. Nope, had to be something creative did. Must have been piped in cheers or something. Faces can get over by playing a face role well, you missed that one out. Sure, it does show that Miz has really put his heel character across well, but you can't take anything away from Riley; he's been out there playing a face just two weeks and people are loving everything he says and does so far. What I'm saying is well done to Miz but he shouldn't take all the credit if Riley takes off as a face, Riley himself deserves praise too. That's because he's beating up The Miz and Michael Cole. You could have Braden Walker in that position and he'd still be over.
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 10:30:22 GMT -5
Faces can get over by playing a face role well, you missed that one out. Sure, it does show that Miz has really put his heel character across well, but you can't take anything away from Riley; he's been out there playing a face just two weeks and people are loving everything he says and does so far. What I'm saying is well done to Miz but he shouldn't take all the credit if Riley takes off as a face, Riley himself deserves praise too. That's because he's beating up The Miz and Michael Cole. You could have Braden Walker in that position and he'd still be over. People wouldn't care what Braden Walker's doing the following week though. I can see Riley being a fan favourite for a while. Plus, if you're just gonna attribute all of Riley's positive reactions to Miz being a good heel, then surely all of the boos Miz generated before actually came from John Cena and Randy Orton being such amazing faces? No I doubt you's day that. Both of 'em deserve credit, because as I said, Riley actually played his part very well.
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Post by 1amgr8ness on Jun 1, 2011 10:31:39 GMT -5
Miz is WAY over in my opinion and I've been waiting to see what Riley can do since watching snipits of him on NXT. Don't knock him down when he's just standing up.
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 10:33:10 GMT -5
That's because he's beating up The Miz and Michael Cole. You could have Braden Walker in that position and he'd still be over. People wouldn't care what Braden Walker's doing the following week though. I can see Riley being a fan favourite for a while. Plus, if you're just gonna attribute all of Riley's positive reactions to Miz being a good heel, then surely all of the boos Miz generated before actually came from John Cena and Randy Orton being such amazing faces? No I doubt you's day that. Both of 'em deserve credit, because as I said, Riley actually played his part very well. Cena and Orton definitely helped Miz get there. The difference between Miz getting over and Riley getting over is that Riley hasn't actually done anything. Miz proved himself time and time again on the mic, insulting the crowd, getting good heat and his feuds with Cena and Orton cemented him as a top superstar. Riley was just 'there'. People only care about Riley because he's feuding with Miz. If Riley is still over after his feud with The Miz, then hats off to him. It just seems very unlikely.
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 10:35:58 GMT -5
People wouldn't care what Braden Walker's doing the following week though. I can see Riley being a fan favourite for a while. Plus, if you're just gonna attribute all of Riley's positive reactions to Miz being a good heel, then surely all of the boos Miz generated before actually came from John Cena and Randy Orton being such amazing faces? No I doubt you's day that. Both of 'em deserve credit, because as I said, Riley actually played his part very well. Cena and Orton definitely helped Miz get there. The difference between Miz getting over and Riley getting over is that Riley hasn't actually done anything. Miz proved himself time and time again on the mic, insulting the crowd, getting good heat and his feuds with Cena and Orton cemented him as a top superstar. Riley was just 'there'. People only care about Riley because he's feuding with Miz. If Riley is still over after his feud with The Miz, then hats off to him. It just seems very unlikely.Well I guess that's just where we'll have to agree to disagree, and wait and see what happens. EDIT: I'd also like to add that IMO, being a good heel is far easier than being a good face.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 1, 2011 10:37:49 GMT -5
The Miz has NOTHING to do with why Alex Riley got a pop.
JACK SWAGGER got a HUGE OVATION when he turned on Michael Cole that one night.
The bottom line is anytime you do the opposite of what you normally do and the opposite of what the crowd expects you to do.....you're going to get a pop. Plain and simple.
The Miz gets NO REACTION. His matches are terrible, his promos are nothing special, and he's a flash in the pan due to WWE lacking any other options at the time due to so many REAL Superstars being injured or not with the company anymore at the time of his title run.
Like I keep saying. You guys need to realize the difference between being over on the INTERNET and over in the arena.
The Miz vs. Zack Ryder for the Internet Championship at InternetMania would make a billion Internet dollars.....but neither one of them are ever going to actually draw for the WWE in real life.
Nobody watches WWE just for the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a ticket to see a WWE event JUST to see the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a PPV just to see Miz or Zack Ryder's match, and nobody who doesn't currently spend money on WWE would start spending money on WWE if Miz or Zack Ryder on a more important part of the show.
Like Vince McMahon says.....it's allllll about the monnnaaaayyyy. That's why Miz is in an angle with Alex Riley who's had like 5 matches in his life, and Zack Ryder hasn't had a match on RAW in months!
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 1, 2011 10:40:24 GMT -5
All the pop Riley is getting is a result of Miz, and Cole, imo. I don't think Riley is likeable at all and the way the crowd reacted to him attacking Miz shocked the hell out of me. I knew Miz was over but the way people popped for a guy like Riley, who I quite honestly think is super green in the ring and a terribly bland personality, was enlightening.
Long term, I just don't see what Riley is going to do after the Miz feud. He is only going to be able to ride those fumes for so long so I am looking forward to seeing if he can sink or swim after he gets thrown into the deep end. If Riley isn't a complete afterthought by this time next year then I will be super impressed.
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 10:41:24 GMT -5
The Miz has NOTHING to do with why Alex Riley got a pop. JACK SWAGGER got a HUGE OVATION when he turned on Michael Cole that one night. The bottom line is anytime you do the opposite of what you normally do and the opposite of what the crowd expects you to do.....you're going to get a pop. Plain and simple. The Miz gets NO REACTION. His matches are terrible, his promos are nothing special, and he's a flash in the pan due to WWE lacking any other options at the time due to so many REAL Superstars being injured or not with the company anymore at the time of his title run. Like I keep saying. You guys need to realize the difference between being over on the INTERNET and over in the arena. The Miz vs. Zack Ryder for the Internet Championship at InternetMania would make a billion Internet dollars.....but neither one of them are ever going to actually draw for the WWE in real life. Nobody watches WWE just for the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a ticket to see a WWE even JUST to see the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a PPV just to see Miz or Zack Ryder's match, and nobody who doesn't currently spend money on WWE would start spending money on WWE if Miz or Zack Ryder on a more important part of the crowd. Like Vince McMahon says.....it's allllll about the monnnaaaayyyy. That's why Miz is in an angle with Alex Riley who's had like 5 matches in his life, and Zack Ryder hasn't had a match on RAW in months! Being someone who neither loves nor hates the Miz, I think you're being a bit harsh. He certainly does get a rise out of the fans. He isn't great in the ring by any stretch, but he's capable. He's not the best on the mic IMO and he does get awfully repetitive, but to say his promos are nothing special and he gets NO reaction, is unfair. Coming from someone as unbiased as it gets when it comes to The Miz.
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Post by the franchise on Jun 1, 2011 10:42:28 GMT -5
If Riley would have beat up say Mason Ryan for some reason the entire arena would be silent. No one would give a shit. The reaction he is getting is based around how much people dislike the person he is attacking. It just shows how over as heels Cole and Miz really are.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 1, 2011 11:06:41 GMT -5
The Miz has NOTHING to do with why Alex Riley got a pop. JACK SWAGGER got a HUGE OVATION when he turned on Michael Cole that one night. The bottom line is anytime you do the opposite of what you normally do and the opposite of what the crowd expects you to do.....you're going to get a pop. Plain and simple. The Miz gets NO REACTION. His matches are terrible, his promos are nothing special, and he's a flash in the pan due to WWE lacking any other options at the time due to so many REAL Superstars being injured or not with the company anymore at the time of his title run. Like I keep saying. You guys need to realize the difference between being over on the INTERNET and over in the arena. The Miz vs. Zack Ryder for the Internet Championship at InternetMania would make a billion Internet dollars.....but neither one of them are ever going to actually draw for the WWE in real life. Nobody watches WWE just for the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a ticket to see a WWE even JUST to see the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a PPV just to see Miz or Zack Ryder's match, and nobody who doesn't currently spend money on WWE would start spending money on WWE if Miz or Zack Ryder on a more important part of the crowd. Like Vince McMahon says.....it's allllll about the monnnaaaayyyy. That's why Miz is in an angle with Alex Riley who's had like 5 matches in his life, and Zack Ryder hasn't had a match on RAW in months! Being someone who neither loves nor hates the Miz, I think you're being a bit harsh. He certainly does get a rise out of the fans. He isn't great in the ring by any stretch, but he's capable. He's not the best on the mic IMO and he does get awfully repetitive, but to say his promos are nothing special and he gets NO reaction, is unfair. Coming from someone as unbiased as it gets when it comes to The Miz. Well, I'm a little confused.....because you just agreed with me that he's not the best on the mic and then stated yourself that his promos get awfully repetitive....but then said I was being too harsh by saying his promos are "nothing special". A guy who is mediocre and repetitive almost by definition is NOTHING SPECIAL. There is a difference between somebody who goes out there and commands the audience and has everyone hanging on their every word......and somebody like the Miz who's just out there talking. And now that Miz is doing this weird, deep, slow paced almost Triple H/Christian Bale like growl when he talks it's made his promos even worse. The Miz is just another fad, just like everybody who comes out of nowhere and gets a huge push they don't deserve and the internet gets behind them and then abandons them. You can't take people like Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Batista, Chris Jericho, and Edge and replace them with somebody like the Miz and expect for anybody to take him as seriously as them. But WWE had no other options because WWE has NO star power right now. Right now, the WWE is John Cena. That's it. Maybe Randy Orton and arguably Rey Mysterio with little Hispanic kids, but other than that....no stars. Not one person on either roster except John Cena that people are going to say "damn, I need to buy a ticket/PPV JUST to see HIM!". THAT is what makes you a draw, not how much you get talked about on the internet by people who watch the PPV's illegally.
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 11:07:24 GMT -5
The Miz has NOTHING to do with why Alex Riley got a pop. JACK SWAGGER got a HUGE OVATION when he turned on Michael Cole that one night. The bottom line is anytime you do the opposite of what you normally do and the opposite of what the crowd expects you to do.....you're going to get a pop. Plain and simple. The Miz gets NO REACTION. His matches are terrible, his promos are nothing special, and he's a flash in the pan due to WWE lacking any other options at the time due to so many REAL Superstars being injured or not with the company anymore at the time of his title run. Like I keep saying. You guys need to realize the difference between being over on the INTERNET and over in the arena. The Miz vs. Zack Ryder for the Internet Championship at InternetMania would make a billion Internet dollars.....but neither one of them are ever going to actually draw for the WWE in real life. Nobody watches WWE just for the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a ticket to see a WWE event JUST to see the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a PPV just to see Miz or Zack Ryder's match, and nobody who doesn't currently spend money on WWE would start spending money on WWE if Miz or Zack Ryder on a more important part of the show. Like Vince McMahon says.....it's allllll about the monnnaaaayyyy. That's why Miz is in an angle with Alex Riley who's had like 5 matches in his life, and Zack Ryder hasn't had a match on RAW in months! Well I think you are WRONG and quite FRANKLY a complete IDIOT. 1. The Miz gets no reaction? That's just wrong. That's not even an opinion, it's just....wrong. 2. Flashes in the pan don't retain the WWE title in the main event of WrestleMania. You probably thought Triple H, Batista and John Cena were flashes in the pan too right? 3. You're right. Zack Ryder is over on the Internet. The Miz is over in an arena. There's the difference. 4. Most people in WWE don't draw by themselves. Most people don't buy a show JUST to see John Cena or JUST to see Randy Orton. They buy them due to a combination of factors or people. People do actually buy shows partially due to The Miz. People want to see him be shut up by guys like Cena and Orton, and even right now with Alex Riley. 5. Swagger got a pop because he turned on Michael Cole, who is over. Just like Riley is over because he's beating up The Miz. Simple as. Your theory is ridiculous. So if John Cena came out one week dressed as a rastafarian, riding a zorse and cutting a promo on taxes it'd be over just because it's unexpected? No, people would think it's ing stupid.
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Post by Infinite on Jun 1, 2011 11:12:03 GMT -5
The Miz has NOTHING to do with why Alex Riley got a pop. JACK SWAGGER got a HUGE OVATION when he turned on Michael Cole that one night. The bottom line is anytime you do the opposite of what you normally do and the opposite of what the crowd expects you to do.....you're going to get a pop. Plain and simple. The Miz gets NO REACTION. His matches are terrible, his promos are nothing special, and he's a flash in the pan due to WWE lacking any other options at the time due to so many REAL Superstars being injured or not with the company anymore at the time of his title run. Like I keep saying. You guys need to realize the difference between being over on the INTERNET and over in the arena. The Miz vs. Zack Ryder for the Internet Championship at InternetMania would make a billion Internet dollars.....but neither one of them are ever going to actually draw for the WWE in real life. Nobody watches WWE just for the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a ticket to see a WWE event JUST to see the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a PPV just to see Miz or Zack Ryder's match, and nobody who doesn't currently spend money on WWE would start spending money on WWE if Miz or Zack Ryder on a more important part of the show. Like Vince McMahon says.....it's allllll about the monnnaaaayyyy. That's why Miz is in an angle with Alex Riley who's had like 5 matches in his life, and Zack Ryder hasn't had a match on RAW in months! Well I think you are WRONG and quite FRANKLY a complete IDIOT. 1. The Miz gets no reaction? That's just wrong. That's not even an opinion, it's just....wrong. 2. Flashes in the pan don't retain the WWE title in the main event of WrestleMania. You probably thought Triple H, Batista and John Cena were flashes in the pan too right? 3. You're right. Zack Ryder is over on the Internet. The Miz is over in an arena. There's the difference. 4. Most people in WWE don't draw by themselves. Most people don't buy a show JUST to see John Cena or JUST to see Randy Orton. They buy them due to a combination of factors or people. People do actually buy shows partially due to The Miz. People want to see him be shut up by guys like Cena and Orton, and even right now with Alex Riley. 5. Swagger got a pop because he turned on Michael Cole, who is over. Just like Riley is over because he's beating up The Miz. Simple as. Your theory is ridiculous. So if John Cena came out one week dressed as a rastafarian, riding a zorse and cutting a promo on taxes it'd be over just because it's unexpected? No, people would think it's ing stupid. ....And we have a winner.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 1, 2011 11:15:44 GMT -5
The Miz has NOTHING to do with why Alex Riley got a pop. JACK SWAGGER got a HUGE OVATION when he turned on Michael Cole that one night. The bottom line is anytime you do the opposite of what you normally do and the opposite of what the crowd expects you to do.....you're going to get a pop. Plain and simple. The Miz gets NO REACTION. His matches are terrible, his promos are nothing special, and he's a flash in the pan due to WWE lacking any other options at the time due to so many REAL Superstars being injured or not with the company anymore at the time of his title run. Like I keep saying. You guys need to realize the difference between being over on the INTERNET and over in the arena. The Miz vs. Zack Ryder for the Internet Championship at InternetMania would make a billion Internet dollars.....but neither one of them are ever going to actually draw for the WWE in real life. Nobody watches WWE just for the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a ticket to see a WWE event JUST to see the Miz or Zack Ryder, nobody buys a PPV just to see Miz or Zack Ryder's match, and nobody who doesn't currently spend money on WWE would start spending money on WWE if Miz or Zack Ryder on a more important part of the show. Like Vince McMahon says.....it's allllll about the monnnaaaayyyy. That's why Miz is in an angle with Alex Riley who's had like 5 matches in his life, and Zack Ryder hasn't had a match on RAW in months! Well I think you are WRONG and quite FRANKLY a complete IDIOT. 1. The Miz gets no reaction? That's just wrong. That's not even an opinion, it's just....wrong. 2. Flashes in the pan don't retain the WWE title in the main event of WrestleMania. You probably thought Triple H, Batista and John Cena were flashes in the pan too right? 3. You're right. Zack Ryder is over on the Internet. The Miz is over in an arena. There's the difference. 4. Most people in WWE don't draw by themselves. Most people don't buy a show JUST to see John Cena or JUST to see Randy Orton. They buy them due to a combination of factors or people. People do actually buy shows partially due to The Miz. People want to see him be shut up by guys like Cena and Orton, and even right now with Alex Riley. 5. Swagger got a pop because he turned on Michael Cole, who is over. Just like Riley is over because he's beating up The Miz. Simple as. Your theory is ridiculous. So if John Cena came out one week dressed as a rastafarian, riding a zorse and cutting a promo on taxes it'd be over just because it's unexpected? No, people would think it's ing stupid. Over. He's over. This guy is over. What is OVER? You guys come on this message board and throw around the term over like you know what it means. Everybody comes on and whoever they like is magically over! Over! Mark! Kayfabe! Wooo let's throw around wrestling terms and pretend like we're in the business! The bottom line is whoever is making money is over and a draw. Not who people on internet message boards have bro crushes on. Michael Cole and Miz are OVER! That's why both of them had their angles stopped like a truck hitting a brick wall. Retaining the WWE title in the main event of the most SILENT WWE title match ever at a Wrestlemania says nothing positive about the Miz to me. The crowd didn't make a sound until The Rock came out because that's why everyone was there and everyone bought the PPV because we THOUGHT there would be a confrontation between John Cena and the Rock. Nobody bought it for the Miz and if anybody did, they should get their money back because that was the worst WWE title match in the history of Wrestlemania.
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Post by Infinite on Jun 1, 2011 11:26:03 GMT -5
Well I think you are WRONG and quite FRANKLY a complete IDIOT. 1. The Miz gets no reaction? That's just wrong. That's not even an opinion, it's just....wrong. 2. Flashes in the pan don't retain the WWE title in the main event of WrestleMania. You probably thought Triple H, Batista and John Cena were flashes in the pan too right? 3. You're right. Zack Ryder is over on the Internet. The Miz is over in an arena. There's the difference. 4. Most people in WWE don't draw by themselves. Most people don't buy a show JUST to see John Cena or JUST to see Randy Orton. They buy them due to a combination of factors or people. People do actually buy shows partially due to The Miz. People want to see him be shut up by guys like Cena and Orton, and even right now with Alex Riley. 5. Swagger got a pop because he turned on Michael Cole, who is over. Just like Riley is over because he's beating up The Miz. Simple as. Your theory is ridiculous. So if John Cena came out one week dressed as a rastafarian, riding a zorse and cutting a promo on taxes it'd be over just because it's unexpected? No, people would think it's ing stupid. Over. He's over. This guy is over. What is OVER? You guys come on this message board and throw around the term over like you know what it means. Everybody comes on and whoever they like is magically over! Over! Mark! Kayfabe! Wooo let's throw around wrestling terms and pretend like we're in the business! The bottom line is whoever is making money is over and a draw. Not who people on internet message boards have bro crushes on. Michael Cole and Miz are OVER! That's why both of them had their angles stopped like a truck hitting a brick wall. Retaining the WWE title in the main event of the most SILENT WWE title match ever at a Wrestlemania says nothing positive about the Miz to me. The crowd didn't make a sound until The Rock came out because that's why everyone was there and everyone bought the PPV because we THOUGHT there would be a confrontation between John Cena and the Rock. Nobody bought it for the Miz and if anybody did, they should get their money back because that was the worst WWE title match in the history of Wrestlemania. Well if we don't know who's 'over' then how the hell do you know who is and isn't a draw? Surely it's easier to figure out who's over, purely judging by fan reaction, than to judge who people are paying to see? As for Cole and Miz's angles being "stopped dead", in case you hadn't noticed, both angles had been going for months, with 3 matches each. The angles were stopped because there was NOTHING LEFT TO DO WITH THEM. Miz retained due to a screwy finish, Cena won the belt, Miz got his rematch and lost. not really anywhere you can go from there. End of the day, whether you want to admit it or not, Miz definitely gets a reaction when he comes out. And hopefully, through a bit more thought, you've realised how stupid your "anytime someone does something unexpected they get a reaction" theory is. As mentioned before, Alex Riley attacking Mason Ryan out of nowhere would have been greeted with a symphony of silence and you know it. Riley got the reaction he got because he was beating on one of the most hated, if not THE most hated heel wrestler in the company, end of. Take nothing away from Riley though, he's doing his bit perfectly.
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 11:28:50 GMT -5
Well I think you are WRONG and quite FRANKLY a complete IDIOT. 1. The Miz gets no reaction? That's just wrong. That's not even an opinion, it's just....wrong. 2. Flashes in the pan don't retain the WWE title in the main event of WrestleMania. You probably thought Triple H, Batista and John Cena were flashes in the pan too right? 3. You're right. Zack Ryder is over on the Internet. The Miz is over in an arena. There's the difference. 4. Most people in WWE don't draw by themselves. Most people don't buy a show JUST to see John Cena or JUST to see Randy Orton. They buy them due to a combination of factors or people. People do actually buy shows partially due to The Miz. People want to see him be shut up by guys like Cena and Orton, and even right now with Alex Riley. 5. Swagger got a pop because he turned on Michael Cole, who is over. Just like Riley is over because he's beating up The Miz. Simple as. Your theory is ridiculous. So if John Cena came out one week dressed as a rastafarian, riding a zorse and cutting a promo on taxes it'd be over just because it's unexpected? No, people would think it's ing stupid. Over. He's over. This guy is over. What is OVER? You guys come on this message board and throw around the term over like you know what it means. Everybody comes on and whoever they like is magically over! Over! Mark! Kayfabe! Wooo let's throw around wrestling terms and pretend like we're in the business! The bottom line is whoever is making money is over and a draw. Not who people on internet message boards have bro crushes on. Michael Cole and Miz are OVER! That's why both of them had their angles stopped like a truck hitting a brick wall. Retaining the WWE title in the main event of the most SILENT WWE title match ever at a Wrestlemania says nothing positive about the Miz to me. The crowd didn't make a sound until The Rock came out because that's why everyone was there and everyone bought the PPV because we THOUGHT there would be a confrontation between John Cena and the Rock. Nobody bought it for the Miz and if anybody did, they should get their money back because that was the worst WWE title match in the history of Wrestlemania. So you're an expert then? You work in the wrestling business? It's okay for you to use terms like "over" and "draw" but no one else? Okay, I'll put in non wrestling terms for you since it offends you so badly. Alex Riley is popular with WWE fans because The Miz is popular and beating on him causes Riley to get cheered. Simple and none smarkish enough for you? If you don't want to hear those terms then you shouldn't be on a internet wrestling forum because at the moment you're just being a self hating smark. No, Cole and Miz did not have their angles stopped suddenly. Cole/Lawler has been going on since December. That's six months. How much longer did you want that feud to continue? It should have ended at WrestleMania, but WWE kept it going longer because Cole is over as a heel (yes, I said over). They've ended it now because it's ran it's course. That's all. Same thing for Miz/Cena. It ran its course. The next natural progression of the storyline was Miz/Riley. It's simple wrestling formula. As for WrestleMania, they were in a huge arena. The last couple of Manias have been quieter due to the large arenas. Compare the reactions at WM22 to the reactions at WM26. I fully admit that The Rock was the main draw of WrestleMania. Because The Rock is a huge established star and The Miz has been in the main event scene for all of six months. No one's saying Miz is on the same level as Cena, Orton, HHH and yes, WWE is short on terms of star power. So what? That doesn't mean Miz isn't over. And worst WWE title match in WrestleMania history? You're wrong, brother.
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Post by slappy on Jun 1, 2011 11:38:34 GMT -5
Cam, I love you.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 1, 2011 11:39:23 GMT -5
Trust me....when you've been watching wrestling as long as I have, you'd know that what I said was true.
Doing the opposite of what the crowd expects is going to get you a reaction. But that reaction isn't going to last.
Jack Swagger got the biggest face pop of the night when he walked away from Michael Cole that night.....for 4 minutes. Does that mean he's OVER? Does that mean he's a DRAWWWW? Does that mean he should be next in line for the WWE Title and main event Wrestlemania?
No. Jack Swagger is where he was and should be...a below mid-card guy feuding with another below mid-card guy. Because Jack IS a below mid-card guy.
If Yoshi Tatsu and John Cena teamed up against the Miz and R-Truth next week and Yoshi Tatsu turns on John Cena during the match and helped Truth and Miz win.....Yoshi Tatsu is going to get boo'd. But that doesn't make him an "OMG CRAZY OVER SUPER HEEL DRAW!!!!".
Except for Cena with adult males hating him...the crowd is pretty much like a trained animal. They cheer for somebody who does something a "good guy" would do, and they boo somebody who does something a "bad guy" would do, especially when they turn from heel to face or vice versa....because it wasn't EXPECTED.
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Post by slappy on Jun 1, 2011 11:42:29 GMT -5
Trust me....when you've been watching wrestling as long as I have, you'd know that what I said was true. Doing the opposite of what the crowd expects is going to get you a reaction. But that reaction isn't going to last. Jack Swagger got the biggest face pop of the night when he walked away from Michael Cole that night.....for 4 minutes. Does that mean he's OVER? Does that mean he's a DRAWWWW? Does that mean he should be next in line for the WWE Title and main event Wrestlemania? No. Jack Swagger is where he was and should be...a below mid-card guy feuding with another below mid-card guy. Because Jack IS a below mid-card guy. If Yoshi Tatsu and John Cena teamed up against the Miz and R-Truth next week and Yoshi Tatsu turns on John Cena during the match and helped Truth and Miz win.....Yoshi Tatsu is going to get boo'd. But that doesn't make him an "OMG CRAZY OVER SUPER HEEL DRAW!!!!". Except for Cena with adult males hating him...the crowd is pretty much like a trained animal. They cheer for somebody who does something a "good guy" would do, and they boo somebody who does something a "bad guy" would do, especially when they turn from heel to face or vice versa....because it wasn't EXPECTED. Will you please just shut the hell up. You have no idea what you are talking about and hate when others use insider terms despite them not being an insider but it's ok when you use them because you've been watching a long time.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 1, 2011 11:49:07 GMT -5
Trust me....when you've been watching wrestling as long as I have, you'd know that what I said was true. Doing the opposite of what the crowd expects is going to get you a reaction. But that reaction isn't going to last. Jack Swagger got the biggest face pop of the night when he walked away from Michael Cole that night.....for 4 minutes. Does that mean he's OVER? Does that mean he's a DRAWWWW? Does that mean he should be next in line for the WWE Title and main event Wrestlemania? No. Jack Swagger is where he was and should be...a below mid-card guy feuding with another below mid-card guy. Because Jack IS a below mid-card guy. If Yoshi Tatsu and John Cena teamed up against the Miz and R-Truth next week and Yoshi Tatsu turns on John Cena during the match and helped Truth and Miz win.....Yoshi Tatsu is going to get boo'd. But that doesn't make him an "OMG CRAZY OVER SUPER HEEL DRAW!!!!". Except for Cena with adult males hating him...the crowd is pretty much like a trained animal. They cheer for somebody who does something a "good guy" would do, and they boo somebody who does something a "bad guy" would do, especially when they turn from heel to face or vice versa....because it wasn't EXPECTED. Will you please just shut the hell up. You have no idea what you are talking about and hate when others use insider terms despite them not being an insider but it's ok when you use them because you've been watching a long time. Notice how they are all in quotes or in CAPS.....because I'm using them sarcastically. You know I'm right. If Yoshi Tatsu attacked John Cena next week, the crowd would boo him. But that doesn't mean that he's 'OVER' and should be automatically placed in the main event because of one crowd reaction based solely upon attacking the top good guy int he company! How do we even know Alex Riley is 'OVER" (omg I said over again). Let's send Alex Riley out there to have a tune up match against Jack Swagger, a below mid-card nobody and see if Alex Riley gets any reaction.
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Post by Infinite on Jun 1, 2011 11:51:34 GMT -5
Trust me....when you've been watching wrestling as long as I have, you'd know that what I said was true. Doing the opposite of what the crowd expects is going to get you a reaction. But that reaction isn't going to last. Jack Swagger got the biggest face pop of the night when he walked away from Michael Cole that night.....for 4 minutes. Does that mean he's OVER? Does that mean he's a DRAWWWW? Does that mean he should be next in line for the WWE Title and main event Wrestlemania? No. Jack Swagger is where he was and should be...a below mid-card guy feuding with another below mid-card guy. Because Jack IS a below mid-card guy. If Yoshi Tatsu and John Cena teamed up against the Miz and R-Truth next week and Yoshi Tatsu turns on John Cena during the match and helped Truth and Miz win.....Yoshi Tatsu is going to get boo'd. But that doesn't make him an "OMG CRAZY OVER SUPER HEEL DRAW!!!!". Except for Cena with adult males hating him...the crowd is pretty much like a trained animal. They cheer for somebody who does something a "good guy" would do, and they boo somebody who does something a "bad guy" would do, especially when they turn from heel to face or vice versa....because it wasn't EXPECTED. Oh you've been watching a long time? Well, that beats any logical argument I can think of, I guess you're right then. Do you even know what you're talking about any more? Weren't you arguing that MIZ isn't over? Because you've just stated examples of people doing what RILEY did, and talking about how that got/would get a reaction... So let's look at these examples: We've got Swagger getting a reaction for turning on Cole, getting him a reaction, and we've got Tatsu turning on Cena. You say they got/would get big reactions. You know why? Because Swagger is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER HEEL, and Tatsu is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER BABYFACE, which is pretty much the exact thing that happened with Miz and Riley isn't it? So how about you pull out an example from your super-old-school-genius-wrestling-fan knowledge of say, Brooklyn Brawler attacking The Mountie and getting a monster reaction.
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