The Ultimate Fighter 13 Finale Thread

I'm sure he is devastated.

Guida vs Pettis: "The Wrestle Heard Round the World"

I disagree wholeheartedly Nick, which is a rare thing.

Guida had a few good moments, but for the most part, he lived up to the worst criticisms of Greg Jackson fighters. He constantly shot for and got the takedown, then proceeded to do virtually nothing except lay on top and hammer with pillow hands.

You're honestly telling me that the Clay Guida we saw tonight was the one that won over so many fans? No way it was.

i didnt think guida/pettis was THAT bad. it wasnt a jon fitch lay n pray. guida tried to lnp, sure, but pettis kept battling off his back for submissions, and guida kept escaping. it wasnt anything near what i expected, but i wasnt bored.

fergusons ko was BRUTAL. ramsey stiffened up while he was still standing up.

and kingsbury/maldonado was real fun too. somebody compared the fighters bodies, and if that was the way fights were judged, it shouldve been a blowout. maldonado impressed me too though, those were some stiff body shots.

So, if Guida is a joke, then what does that make the guy that just lost to him??

Yea that's what thought when it happened, the amount of hate on Sherdog for the guy, pathetic.

One matrix kick does not make you a champion, I heard someone say and I couldn't agree more.

Guida was set up to fall as far as I can see it, Dana wanted to showcase this guy and ed up. Good, I'm a Guida fan and I'm glad he score the won.

Well Pettis was attacking off his back constantly, also very good at attempting submissions and gaining wrist control. It's not always easy to work to improve you position against someone who was doing a very good job off his back.

People can hate on Guida all they like for not liking his performance, but at the end of the day his game plan got him the win. And quite honestly people who cheer and like GSP need to take a serious look at themselves if they attack Guida for his performance.

All of this guida hate is ridiculous. He's finished his last three fights in impressive fashion. If people are going to break his balls about it, there's a laundry list full of guys that should be crucified before him. It's like people expected to see a swanton bomb hammerfist off of the cage. Relax people, not every fight is going to end with something to put in a highlight reel. Don't write the guy off because he used his wrestling skills to get a win. If you are pissed, yell at pettis for not bucking him off. Yea, sounds ridiculous right?

I think the Guida fans are a little confused as to why there's so much hate for him going on now. Personally, I'm not mad that Guida shot for the takedown constantly and kept the fight mostly on the ground.

I'm mad that he did all else once the fight got there.

As I said before, Guida embodied all the worst qualities Greg Jackson cynics accuse of Greg Jackson fighters: he used his wrestling to hold position and then drained out the clock, doing nothing but minimal damage and just barely enough to not get stood up.

For this one fight, Guida became the kind of fighter who would rather win than make it entertaining, who's so focused on keeping his spot that he doesn't care if the fight is boring. That's never been who Clay Guida was, that was never what he was all about.

So, when you think about it, a lot of Guida fans are feeling betrayed right now. As I said, I don't care that Guida won by takedowns. I care that he didn't do anything with them afterwards.

And I hate to bring up this argument, but think of the way the fight would have been scored in Japan. Guida would have been carded for stalling, and Pettis more than likely would have won because he spent so much time attempting to finish the fight with submissions.

Guida used his dominant wrestling and the Unified Rules system to grind out the decision in a very boring fight. Since when does Clay Guida have boring fights?

That's why I'm mad at him, that's why I think most people are mad at him. This is the UFC, one bad performance CAN and WILL cause your other good performances to not matter. Even though he's won four straight, even though he's been finishing guys, there's no way that Guida deserves a title shot after that performance. Even Dana White agrees with me, he's not giving Guida the shot.

So I say " it", Clay Guida is going to have to go back to being Clay Guida if he wants me to take him seriously in his next fight. And with Pettis no longer getting the title shot that was promised to him (which is total ing , by the way), I'm putting my feet firmly in the Jim Miller war wagon and hoping he gets the next shot.