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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 8:24:33 GMT -5
Diaz is going to beat GSP.
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Post by roddypiper on Jun 24, 2011 9:18:16 GMT -5
Diaz is going to beat GSP. Care to elaborate on your claim? |
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Post by sean™ on Jun 24, 2011 9:44:18 GMT -5
Comparing Diaz to Serra. REALLY now? That's kinda low if you ask me. I'm only comparing because they both had a punches chance at winning, and Serra won that way vs GSP. Only comparison I was attempting to make. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 10:32:48 GMT -5
Diaz is going to beat GSP. Care to elaborate on your claim? Not really, because people on this board have set opinions and i feel it will be wasted. GSP doesn't seem to have as heavy hands as it's marketed. He picks off fighters, but you won't be able to pick of Nick Diaz. He's gonna just come right back at you until you put him to sleep. His jits is good enough so GSP won't be able to smother him for the 5 rounds. Nick also will be training with Shields. Who many believe could have beaten George had he pushed the pace and been confident in his stand up, exactly what Diaz is. I just love the Diaz brothers and root for them in every fight. As Nate should be saying quite soon Don't Be Scared Gomi!!! haha |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 24, 2011 16:33:54 GMT -5
Weigh-ins for this event are tomorrow at 4pm ET on UFC.tv
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 24, 2011 18:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by roddypiper on Jun 24, 2011 22:53:49 GMT -5
Care to elaborate on your claim? Not really, because people on this board have set opinions and i feel it will be wasted. GSP doesn't seem to have as heavy hands as it's marketed. He picks off fighters, but you won't be able to pick of Nick Diaz. He's gonna just come right back at you until you put him to sleep. His jits is good enough so GSP won't be able to smother him for the 5 rounds. Nick also will be training with Shields. Who many believe could have beaten George had he pushed the pace and been confident in his stand up, exactly what Diaz is. I just love the Diaz brothers and root for them in every fight. As Nate should be saying quite soon Don't Be Scared Gomi!!! haha I dunno, I seem to remember Shields asking if he should pull guard and his master plan being to try and get GSP in a Triangle. I think the Diaz brothers are good fighters..but they are white trash as people. Nate always trying to goad people into standing up with him. He did it to Gray, which does not say much as he is the Jon Fitch of the 155's. I was there live I saw it first hand. I am hoping GSP wins. As Id o not want a Diaz to ever touch a title in the UFC. I am hoping Gomi beats Nate and that should send Nate right out the door. Of course what ever happens to GSP after that.. I do not care. He used to be my fav but it seems he has excuse after excuse for not finishing fights. No reason why he should not have finished Koshcheck when he couldn't see out of one eye. It is clear we are not getting a superfight either. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 24, 2011 23:05:44 GMT -5
Nate won that fight against Gray, but whatever. "They are white trash as people" That's hate if I ever saw it. The Diaz brothers are real fighters that fight to peoples strengths, unlike guys who are labeled as P4P best like GSP who just lays on the guys for 5 rounds. GSP doesn't finish Fights, but Diaz does. Why hate on the guy? Seriously, man? Hating a guy because he fights is kinda silly. I think GSP is the best ambassador for the sport, but I can't  ing stand the guy as fighter. He's not even a fighter, he like a lot of other wrestlers just use a flawed scoring system to grind out a win. I say get rid of these fighters who don't do this. I'll give GSP more credit than a lot of guys, because he does pass guard and SOMETIMES goes for submissions, but he lacks killer instinct. |
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Post by roddypiper on Jun 24, 2011 23:34:32 GMT -5
Nate won that fight against Gray, but whatever. "They are white trash as people" That's hate if I ever saw it. The Diaz brothers are real fighters that fight to peoples strengths, unlike guys who are labeled as P4P best like GSP who just lays on the guys for 5 rounds. GSP doesn't finish Fights, but Diaz does. Why hate on the guy? Seriously, man? Hating a guy because he fights is kinda silly. I think GSP is the best ambassador for the sport, but I can't ing stand the guy as fighter. He's not even a fighter, he like a lot of other wrestlers just use a flawed scoring system to grind out a win. I say get rid of these fighters who don't do this. I'll give GSP more credit than a lot of guys, because he does pass guard and SOMETIMES goes for submissions, but he lacks killer instinct. I agree...GSP should have broke Dan Hardy's arm and took it home with him. And I said they're good fighters just white trash as people. I don't hate on how they fight. I just think it's stupid for him to goad people into fighting his fight. Clearly they are not going to do it so re-think that stratedgy. Find away around them doing that to you. I hate them for the way they act outside of fighting. TUF is just a small example of how much of an ass Nate is. And in my opinion he did not win that fight... Gray did not either .. I had it a draw. And I was right there second row. Not that that means I am any more right than you. Just saying I saw the fight as well and would not have given it to either one of them. On a side ntoe if anyyone knows where I can get that event from Let me know. I would love to see my big ass head on TV |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 24, 2011 23:49:33 GMT -5
Who cares how they act outside of fighting? What is this, a popularity/pop culture contest? It's all about the fights. There are plenty of guys who I hate outside of their fights, but I know that they are great fighters, Melvin Guillard being one of them.
I guess I don't really know what you mean by "White trash". I personally like both guys. I've met them (through Renzo) and they are pretty nice guys who really like fighting and enjoy the technical aspect of it. They're misunderstood.
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Post by Boquest on Jun 25, 2011 0:03:14 GMT -5
Can't stand Diaz as a person, but as far as a fighter goes you have to give him major props. Nick has enough confidence in himself where like mentioned, he will fight you to your own area of strength...and finish.
I love the hate GSP gets. Do I believe he should try harder to finish fights rather then just "win"? Of course. But to say he just lays on guys and blankets them for decisions is just a joke. Lets brake down his last 5 opponents.
Shields? Both guys fought terrible, excuses could be made on both sides. However GSP did not "blanket him."
Kos? Whole fight was stand up, completely out-classed him. Did not finish, but did not blanket him at all.
Hardy? Almost pulled off his arm twice.
Alves? GNP and out-struck him on the feet. Look at Thiago's face if you think he just layed on him for 5 rounds.
BJ? Finish.
Only thing haters could use against GSP could possibly be the Hardy fight, and even then he almost finished twice. Don't get me wrong GSP does have to try to fight more to finish, rather than win. I was there in person in Toronto, and I'm the first one to say he needs to finish more. But to say he just lays on guys for 5 rounds is blind hate.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 25, 2011 0:16:01 GMT -5
The whole thing with GSP is that he doesn't have killer instinct anymore. Ever since Matt Serra knocked him out, he fights very conservative and doesn't go for the finish when it's there.
If he had attacked Shields after that head kick, he would have finished him, but he didn't do it. It's whatever, but it's very irritating.
I even said he doesn't LAY on his guys, but he barely ever goes for any sub attempts unless it's against a novice guy on the ground (Hardy). Never TRIED to finish Alves, never TRIED to finish BJ, never TRIED to finish Koscheck, never TRIED to finish Shields. TRYING is what I'm trying to get at here. Before the Serra fight, he was a killer, and now he's just afraid to give it his all.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jun 25, 2011 1:45:04 GMT -5
The Diaz brothers are real fighters that fight to peoples strengths, unlike guys who are labeled as P4P best like GSP who just lays on the guys for 5 rounds. GSP doesn't finish Fights, but Diaz does. I get what you're saying - but fighting to people's strengths is not always a good thing... it may be exciting, but it can also be VERY dangerous and can easily lead to the guy getting submitted or KTFO (as Diaz almost was last time out). I prefer a style somewhere in the middle: someone who looks for the finish or takes it if it presents itself, but also fights intelligently and knows where his weaknesses are. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 25, 2011 2:39:10 GMT -5
TJ Grant vs. Charlie Brenneman has been scrapped due to Grant suffering an illness.
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Post by Boquest on Jun 25, 2011 10:17:57 GMT -5
The whole thing with GSP is that he doesn't have killer instinct anymore. Ever since Matt Serra knocked him out, he fights very conservative and doesn't go for the finish when it's there. If he had attacked Shields after that head kick, he would have finished him, but he didn't do it. It's whatever, but it's very irritating. I even said he doesn't LAY on his guys, but he barely ever goes for any sub attempts unless it's against a novice guy on the ground (Hardy). Never TRIED to finish Alves, never TRIED to finish BJ, never TRIED to finish Koscheck, never TRIED to finish Shields. TRYING is what I'm trying to get at here. Before the Serra fight, he was a killer, and now he's just afraid to give it his all. ...unlike guys who are labeled as P4P best like GSP who just lays on the guys for 5 rounds. He's not even a fighter, he like a lot of other wrestlers just use a flawed scoring system to grind out a win.  . I'm not dissagreeing with you for the most part. GSP doesn't fight enough to finish, he does seem to have lost his spark after the Serra knockout, and he should have jumped all over Sheilds after the head kick. I'm with you on that. But I just can't stand when haters have this missinterpretation that he just "lays" on his opponents for 5 rounds, when in reality he does not. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 25, 2011 10:36:06 GMT -5
I'm seriously not going to say he LAYS on the guys for the total 25 minutes, that's incorrect. But he plays it safe. He passes guard when it's open for him, and he goes for late-round takedowns to (I guess) tell the judges he won the round.
I have already said I like GSP. He's a great athlete, and he's a great ambassador for the sport, but he tries to win rounds, not fights. He's not a fighter anymore. My definition of fighting may be different than others, but I don't see the fight in him anymore.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Jun 25, 2011 14:51:25 GMT -5
Apparently Marquardt is out of the Main event tomorrow night. Marquardt scratched from UFC on Versus 4; Barry-Kongo now main, Story gets Brenneman | MMAjunkie.com "One-time UFC middleweight title challenger Nate Marquardt will not be making his welterweight debut this weekend. MMAjunkie.com (UFC blog for UFC news, UFC rumors, fighter interviews and event previews/recaps | MMAjunkie.com) has learned that Marquardt is a late scratch from Sunday's UFC on Versus 4 event, and opponent Rick Story (13-3 MMA, 6-1 UFC) will now instead meet Charlie Brenneman (12-2 MMA, 2-1 UFC) on the evening's main card. With the late change, a highly-anticipated heavyweight bout between Pat Barry and Cheick Kongo has now been promoted to main-event status. The reason for Marquardt's last-minute withdrawal, mere hours before he was scheduled to hit the scales at the event's official weigh-ins, wasn't immediately evident. UFC on Versus 4 takes place Sunday at CONSOL Energy Center in Pittsburgh Story is Brenneman's third opponent for UFC on Versus 4. His original opponent, Madd Riddle, withdrew from the card in May, while replacement foe T.J. Grant fell ill earlier this week and was also forced to withdraw from the card. A Pennsylvania native, Brenneman looks to build on a January decision win over Amilcar Alves. The victory came after a TKO loss to Johny Hendricks at UFC 117 that snapped a six-fight win streak for "The Spaniard." Story was also a replacement, stepping in on short notice for an injured Anthony Johnson, who was originally scheduled to face Marquardt in the evening's featured bout. Story, who is riding a six-fight octagon winning streak, recently notched the biggest win of his career with a UFC 130 victory over Thiago Alves" mmajunkie.com/news/24140/marquardt-scratched-from-ufc-on-versus-4-barry-kongo-now-main-story-gets-brenneman.mma |
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 25, 2011 15:03:03 GMT -5
Brutal news about Marquardt, and it is true; according to Kelly Crigger.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jun 25, 2011 15:33:20 GMT -5
LMAO. Nate probably couldn't make the weight.
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 25, 2011 15:41:37 GMT -5
LMAO. Nate probably couldn't make the weight. Yeah, it sounds like he was close, but was just so dehydrated that the doctor wouldn't let the fight happen. |
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