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Post by bencw on Jul 6, 2011 12:23:26 GMT -5
IMHO atheists are people who either: • Have had a a bad falling out with members of there old church • Have taken to being atheists just to fit in with someone they like • Are just haters who think its cool to hate on god And usually I dont pay attention to what some hippy atheist says, they'll prob grow out of that fad anyway. Or that I'm a rational-thinking human being who uses deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that there is absolutely no logical reason to believe that a "God" exists. What's funny is that I could come up with a pretty good description of why people are religious... "IMHO religious people either: • Have never thought about life in a sense other than what their family taught them when they were young. • Are literally brainwashed by blind "faith" in something that might as well be a flying spaghetti monster. • Are uneducated on scientific fact. • Believe that they are socially "better" than those who do not believe in God. • Have become content with the fact that their lives are miserable and would rather "blame" it on (or as they would say "leave it in the hands of") God. • Do not understand the historical fact that religion has been used for centuries to suppress entire populations of people and get them to serve without questioning the point of their lives." Excellent post Don't forget that many religious (christians) people simply enjoy the false sense of security a nonsensical being provides during life, by watching and guiding them 24/7, and in death, by living with them in the clouds.
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 6, 2011 12:24:50 GMT -5
There's no scientific proof that God doesn't exist either. The fact is there is no proof or evidence on either side and anyone who says there is is delusional. It really comes down to a question of faith and whether you have it or not at the end of the day. Do you believe in a flying spaghetti monster? No? Same concept. By all means, believe what you want, but don't act like belief and non-belief are the same thing. ....here we go again
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jul 6, 2011 12:25:32 GMT -5
IMHO atheists are people who either: • Have had a a bad falling out with members of there old church • Have taken to being atheists just to fit in with someone they like • Are just haters who think its cool to hate on god And usually I dont pay attention to what some hippy atheist says, they'll prob grow out of that fad anyway. Or that I'm a rational-thinking human being who uses deductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that there is absolutely no logical reason to believe that a "God" exists. What's funny is that I could come up with a pretty good description of why people are religious... "IMHO religious people either: • Have never thought about life in a sense other than what their family taught them when they were young. • Are literally brainwashed by blind "faith" in something that might as well be a flying spaghetti monster. • Are uneducated on scientific fact. • Believe that they are socially "better" than those who do not believe in God. • Have become content with the fact that their lives are miserable and would rather "blame" it on (or as they would say "leave it in the hands of") God. • Do not understand the historical fact that religion has been used for centuries to suppress entire populations of people and get them to serve without questioning the point of their lives." -------------- At the end of the day, I'm completely un-religious, but I am not going to try and stop people from expressing their own beliefs. I see nothing wrong with this road's name. If they made it so that you had to be a Christian to drive on the road or something, then yeah, I would not be happy. Yeah, I don't think any of those apply to me. I don't claim to be able to prove God exists. I don't think anyone would accuse me of being uneducated in scientific fact nor do I think that my life is miserable and I'm just blaming God for it. You do realize that things like political power and nationalism have also been used to suppress entire populations as well right? Heck, the Holocaust was carried out in the name of racial purification. It was purely secular. That doesn't make political power or nationalism wrong though. Pointing out that some evil was done in the name of XYZ does not mean that belief in XYZ is wrong.
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Post by bencw on Jul 6, 2011 12:26:50 GMT -5
Do you believe in a flying spaghetti monster? No? Same concept. By all means, believe what you want, but don't act like belief and non-belief are the same thing. ....here we go again Why post that? Seriously? Isn't this forum for discussion? And it's not at all hostile/rude/immature.
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 6, 2011 12:32:39 GMT -5
....here we go again Why post that? Seriously? Isn't this forum for discussion? And it's not at all hostile/rude/immature. The problem is with this discussion is it never ends well. and it just happened yesterday and was locked by Jack himself. And yesterday was a conscious and non-rude discussion. Its the nature of the discussion when it arises. Due to the fact their can be no winner it becomes irrelevant and eventually deteriorates into banter.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 6, 2011 12:33:24 GMT -5
The bottom line is that everyone who is religious, became so for a reason. This day in age, people do not come to this conclusion on their own.
At some point in your life, you were either...
• Instilled with the information that your parents' religion is "right." • Were exposed to your religion by someone outside of your parents. Could be a friend, another relative, a teacher or even someone on television. • Went through a particularly hard time in your life and were able to focus your energy on your religion, which in turn may have helped you get through that time in your life.
Like I said, I have no problem with people being religious. I will literally fight for YOUR right to have religious freedom and I truly hope that you are right.
... But this belief that somehow, faith in a "God" is more intelligent than faith in any random fictional deity is just absurd. Someone's belief in "God" is literally the exact same thing as my belief in a flying spaghetti monster.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 6, 2011 12:34:57 GMT -5
Why post that? Seriously? Isn't this forum for discussion? And it's not at all hostile/rude/immature. The problem is with this discussion is it never ends well. and it just happened yesterday and was locked by Jack himself. And yesterday was a conscious and non-rude discussion. Its the nature of the discussion when it arises. Due to the fact their can be no winner it becomes irrelevant and eventually deteriorates into banter. When someone comes out and blatantly insults me with blind, completely non-factual opinion, I'm going to respond.
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 6, 2011 12:35:54 GMT -5
The bottom line is that everyone who is religious, became so for a reason. This day in age, people do not come to this conclusion on their own. At some point in your life, you were either... • Instilled with the information that your parents' religion is "right." • Were exposed to your religion by someone outside of your parents. Could be a friend, another relative, a teacher or even someone on television. • Went through a particularly hard time in your life and were able to focus your energy on your religion, which in turn may have helped you get through that time in your life. Like I said, I have no problem with people being religious. I will literally fight for YOUR right to have religious freedom and I truly hope that you are right. ... But this belief that somehow, faith in a "God" is more intelligent than faith in any random fictional deity is just absurd. Someone's belief in "God" is literally the exact same thing as my belief in a flying spaghetti monster. See.....banter, exactly what I said was coming.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 6, 2011 12:39:55 GMT -5
See.....banter, exactly what I said was coming. LMFAO. Okay, so let me get this straight... On the last page, when someone insulted atheists, you defended it by saying, "It's his opinion." But when I do the EXACT SAME THING about people who are religious, you're suddenly throwing stones at me?
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 6, 2011 12:44:10 GMT -5
See.....banter, exactly what I said was coming. LMFAO. Okay, so let me get this straight... On the last page, when someone insulted atheists, you defended it by saying, "It's his opinion." But when I do the EXACT SAME THING about people who are religious, you're suddenly throwing stones at me? no, that was pretty much banter as well. the difference was he had not directed his statement at anyone person or quoted another in hopes of a direction towards his statement. For instance, if I shout that I believe we live in the matrix...its my opinion and i might be a fool for it. But if I shout it at you...I have just directed it towards another, thus engaging you in a debate if you disagree. edit: honestly i thought this discussion was about a sign....lol its not anymore...so everything therefore is banter im not taking a side...I really could care less...im not offended by your statements nor his.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 6, 2011 12:46:14 GMT -5
LMFAO. Okay, so let me get this straight... On the last page, when someone insulted atheists, you defended it by saying, "It's his opinion." But when I do the EXACT SAME THING about people who are religious, you're suddenly throwing stones at me? no, that was pretty much banter as well. the difference was he had not directed his statement at anyone person or quoted another in hopes of a direction towards his statement. For instance, if I shout that I believe we live in the matrix...its my opinion and i might be a fool for it. But if I shout it at you...I have just directed it towards another, thus engaging you in a debate if you disagree. edit: honestly i thought this discussion was about a sign....lol its not anymore...so everything therefore is banter im not taking a side...I really could care less...im not offended by your statements nor his. LoL, GOD FORBID WE DEBATE ON A FORUM!!!!!!!
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 6, 2011 12:49:54 GMT -5
no, that was pretty much banter as well. the difference was he had not directed his statement at anyone person or quoted another in hopes of a direction towards his statement. For instance, if I shout that I believe we live in the matrix...its my opinion and i might be a fool for it. But if I shout it at you...I have just directed it towards another, thus engaging you in a debate if you disagree. edit: honestly i thought this discussion was about a sign....lol its not anymore...so everything therefore is banter im not taking a side...I really could care less...im not offended by your statements nor his. LoL, GOD FORBID WE DEBATE ON A FORUM!!!!!!! Why is it when this sort of debate gets locked, the day after someone, essentially, tries to turn it back on. I do not care that people debate and have taken myself into a many and even involved in yesterdays which was peaceful and still got locked The problem is not with the debate about existence and non-existence of a divine being...the problem is that neither side can convince the other and one ends up offending the other...as you stated you were offended and retaliated as you saw fit.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 6, 2011 12:59:51 GMT -5
The fact that people try to start the conversation every day should, perhaps, indicate that the topics shouldn't be locked.
I'm not offended by what he said. I'm simply responding to it because it was blatantly factually incorrect.
I don't need to "convince" anyone of anything, as far as religion goes. I'm perfectly fine with people being religious. Some of my very best, closest friends are religious. I don't try to convince them that they are wrong... But the second that they come out and bash my beliefs (or lack-thereof), I'm going to respond.
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Post by Adam on Jul 6, 2011 13:04:22 GMT -5
There's no scientific proof that God doesn't exist either. The fact is there is no proof or evidence on either side and anyone who says there is is delusional. It really comes down to a question of faith and whether you have it or not at the end of the day. What it always comes down to is the burden of proof rests on those making the claim. If there was evidence, faith wouldn't be necessary. You do realize that things like political power and nationalism have also been used to suppress entire populations as well right? Heck, the Holocaust was carried out in the name of racial purification. It was purely secular. That doesn't make political power or nationalism wrong though. Pointing out that some evil was done in the name of XYZ does not mean that belief in XYZ is wrong. "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Adolf Hitler, Mein KampfHuh?
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Post by Double J on Jul 6, 2011 13:18:20 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of this new wily breed of active atheist with an axe to grind. I like it more just sitting over here, not believing anything and playing Cut the Rope on Sunday mornings while reruns of Pawn Stars play in the background.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 6, 2011 13:19:51 GMT -5
Back to the original posting.....
.. calling the road "Seven In Heaven Way" isn't really a religious thing at all. It's like when streets are named after people like Martin Luther King. It's done to recognize a group, who happens to be known by the name "Seven In Heaven". As such.. I'd assume that all seven of them were Christians. If one of them were an atheist, I'd see the reason for the outrage. If they were all Christians, though.. then no harm no foul. Naming the road that doesn't endorse any particular religion, it endorses those firefighters.
And even as evidenced on this board....... I wish that people would realize that if you TRULY want others to have the right to believe what they want, it means you have to respect everyone's beliefs, even if they are the polar opposite of your own. That's just the nature of FREEDOM!
I'll believe in God.. but if you want to believe there is no God, or that the deity in the sky is a flying spaghetti monster... than not only more power to you, but I will also defend your right to believe it. Should you ask me for my viewpoint on it, I'll be more than happy to explain what I believe and why I believe it.. but I'm not going to force it on you any more than I'd want you forcing the spaghetti monster on me.
Remember... being a free society means that you are going to find viewpoints you don't like. But here's the thing... Christian, Muslim, Athiest, Republican, Democrat, Independent, Pro-Choice, Pro-Life, Anti-Gay Marriage, Pro-Gay Marriage..... even things we don't choose, like Black, White, Short, Tall, Skinny, Fat..... the point is that we're all different, and we all the freedoms to live life the way we choose to live it.
Who am I to disrespect someone because the path they've chosen in life has lead them to different viewpoints than mine? Are we really becoming that stupid?
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 6, 2011 13:23:53 GMT -5
IMHO atheists are people who either: • Have had a a bad falling out with members of there old church • Have taken to being atheists just to fit in with someone they like • Are just haters who think its cool to hate on god And usually I dont pay attention to what some hippy atheist says, they'll prob grow out of that fad anyway. Ok wait now, Im an atheists and i used to be christian, However none of these reasons you put here is the reason i became one. I became one because there is no scientific proof that god exists nor that the bible is gods words. So dont lump all of us into the same boat as others. I dont get offended by anything to do with god, Its when they try to force there religion on me that i have a problem If I may, how old are you?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jul 6, 2011 13:39:29 GMT -5
There's no scientific proof that God doesn't exist either. The fact is there is no proof or evidence on either side and anyone who says there is is delusional. It really comes down to a question of faith and whether you have it or not at the end of the day. Do you believe in a flying spaghetti monster? No? Same concept. By all means, believe what you want, but don't act like belief and non-belief are the same thing. It's exactly the same. If I put forth the thesis "God exists" I have no evidence to back it up whatsoever. Therefore I can't claim that thesis is correct. There's nothing to back it up. If I put forth the thesis "God does not exist" I am in the exact same boat. I have no evidence to back that up. Choosing to believe is the same as choosing not to believe. If we're going to be completely rational about it, we have to throw our hands up and say, "I dunno."
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Post by TurboEddie on Jul 6, 2011 13:52:11 GMT -5
IMHO atheists are people who either: • Have had a a bad falling out with members of there old church • Have taken to being atheists just to fit in with someone they like • Are just haters who think its cool to hate on god And usually I dont pay attention to what some hippy atheist says, they'll prob grow out of that fad anyway. My nomination for dumbest post of the year.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 6, 2011 13:54:55 GMT -5
It's exactly the same. If I put forth the thesis "God exists" I have no evidence to back it up whatsoever. Therefore I can't claim that thesis is correct. There's nothing to back it up. If I put forth the thesis "God does not exist" I am in the exact same boat. I have no evidence to back that up. Choosing to believe is the same as choosing not to believe. If we're going to be completely rational about it, we have to throw our hands up and say, "I dunno." If you're willing to concede that a flying spaghetti monster is exactly as likely as "God," then I would agree.
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