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Post by machoking on Jul 7, 2011 20:10:00 GMT -5
It was previously discussed in another thread about how Demolition was a "rip off" of The Road Warriors. Lets say this is true, for a rip off...They did damn well. Far better then Powers of Pain ever did lol. But what about that other group that terrorized McMahon down south. The 4 Horsemen....What "rip off" could McMahon have put together (say late 80s very early 90s) to off set the powerful group in Charlotte?
Option 1 (1989) (More "Horseman" like
-Terry Taylor
-Greg Valentine
-Arn Anderson
-Tully Blanchar
-Bobby Heenan as Manager
Option 2 (Four solid stars)
-Randy Savage
-Rick Rude
-Mr Perfect
-Rick Martel
Maybe even play them as a face team...
Option 3 (I know this was a SvS team but the creation was brilliant)
-Ultimate Warrior
-Texas Tornado
-Hawk
-Animal
or even putting egos aside to create a Super Power team...
Option 4
-Hulk Hogan
-Randy Savage
-Ultimate Warrior
-Texas Tornado
So anyway, what 4 some do you think McMahon could have put together that would have compared to or competed with the 4 Horsemen in their prime.
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Post by redypiper on Jul 7, 2011 20:46:49 GMT -5
interesting question but one of the best things about the 4 Horsemen was that it wasn't really planned and kinda just happened. so to me anything that McMahon came up with would have felt so contrived that it would have been the opposite of what the horsemen were, rather than a copy.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Jul 7, 2011 21:26:44 GMT -5
For it to even be in the ballpark of the Four Horsemen, the WWF stable would need a strong, main event caliber heel leading the group, a la Ric Flair. Someone strong on the mic who can also work a great match and who has an attitude of superiority and class.
Looking at who the WWF had to choose from in the late 1980s, the best guy for the Flair role, leading the stable, was definitely Ted DiBiase. They had several wrestlers that could have filled the other three spots, and Bobby Heenan would have been a no-brainer (no pun intended) for the JJ Dillon role.
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Post by Raine on Jul 8, 2011 4:29:42 GMT -5
Ted Dibiase
Rick Rude
Mr. Perfect
Rick Martel
Bobby Heenan
Think that could be an awesome combination from around 1989, all 4 wrestlers are great workers, great looks and talkers with Heenan the best manager ever. Could have put Windham or The Brainbusters in there as they were in the WWF in 89, but people would have called it a Horseman rip off straight away with any of those guys involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 6:12:28 GMT -5
Mcmahon had the Heenan family.....one of the premiere heel groups in wrestling-IMO he didnt need a 4H knockoff.
plus several Horsemen passed through there.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 8, 2011 8:55:13 GMT -5
great topic.
For me, the WWF equivalent of the 4 Horsemen in the late 80s would have been a stable of heels:
Roddy Piper - naturally since his early career heavily involved Flair - and he's the promo man on the mic
Ted DiBiase - I see him as the Tully Blanchard of the group - technically sound, wealthy gimmick
Greg Valentine - definitely the enforcer like Arn Anderson - also technically sound but tough as nails - also great history with himself and Piper.
Curt Henning - would be the Barry Windham of the group - also 2nd generation young star on his way to becoming a legend.
Bobby Heenan - filling the JJ Dillon role, no brainer really.
THAT would have been a fantastic WWF-version of the 4 Horsemen.
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Post by machoking on Jul 8, 2011 15:06:01 GMT -5
Mcmahon had the Heenan family.....one of the premiere heel groups in wrestling-IMO he didnt need a 4H knockoff. plus several Horsemen passed through there. He did have the Heenan Family and as much as I liked them, lets be honest, they were nowhere near the level of the Horsemen. Rude, Perfect, and Brain Busters were the best of the best out of that. However, they never really were "together" except for Survivor Series. Harley Race-way past prime Brooklyn Brawler-Jobber Red Rooster-Jobber Haku-Jobber to the stars Tama-Jobber Hercules-Jobber to the stars Barbarian-Mid carder/jobber to the stars Patera-Jobber to the stars Orndorff, Bundy, Studd and Andre had the main event matches but never wont any titles and basically were just fed to boost Hogan up. And Bandy, Im not too sure how it would look on TV but just reading the names and the reasoning....it would sound PERFECT to compare to Horsemen. |
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Post by T R W on Jul 8, 2011 15:10:41 GMT -5
I don't think a horseman clone would have worked to be honest. You had Hogan running rampant through any bad guy that poked their head out.
The Horseman worked because they were dominant. People were constantly hoping to see Dusty, Magnum, or anyone take the titles back from the Horseman. Without giving them the World title, it wouldn't work. They had several people capable of it, but Vince was going to ride Hulkamania until it died, which he did, and it ended up making him millions. While I personally found the NWA much more interesting, Vince's methods ended up being the better business option.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 11, 2011 9:40:35 GMT -5
Yeah, in reality Captain Adminica is completely right. WWF was always face-led, while NWA was teh rebel organization with a heel-group.
I'm not a pro-heel or anything, but for me, growing up watching NWA was always more exciting because you were at the edge of your seat watching your favourite face try to beat the Horsemen. And how many PPVs were you mad that Flair once again used the Horsemen to keep his title. It just made me tune in every week to see if Luger/Sting/Magnum/Dusty could get them for their dastardly deeds.
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Post by markallenkellner on Jul 11, 2011 9:56:34 GMT -5
I always remember a rumor of a proposed "Perfect Alliance" in the WWF around 1996 (had Hennig not jumped to WCW) that would've consisted of:
Mr. Perfect
Brian Pillman
Steve Austin
Triple H
That would've been incredible!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 17:12:51 GMT -5
great topic. For me, the WWF equivalent of the 4 Horsemen in the late 80s would have been a stable of heels: Roddy Piper - naturally since his early career heavily involved Flair - and he's the promo man on the mic Ted DiBiase - I see him as the Tully Blanchard of the group - technically sound, wealthy gimmick Greg Valentine - definitely the enforcer like Arn Anderson - also technically sound but tough as nails - also great history with himself and Piper. Curt Henning - would be the Barry Windham of the group - also 2nd generation young star on his way to becoming a legend. Bobby Heenan - filling the JJ Dillon role, no brainer really. THAT would have been a fantastic WWF-version of the 4 Horsemen. If I had to go with anything here, it would be this, well said mate. |
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Post by nibs92 on Jul 14, 2011 10:25:12 GMT -5
Ted Dibiase Rick Rude Mr. Perfect Rick Martel Bobby Heenan Think that could be an awesome combination from around 1989, all 4 wrestlers are great workers, great looks and talkers with Heenan the best manager ever. Could have put Windham or The Brainbusters in there as they were in the WWF in 89, but people would have called it a Horseman rip off straight away with any of those guys involved. that would nearly have been my pick but instead martel i would have valentine, kinda in an enforcer role! |
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Post by Sexy White Chocolate on Jul 15, 2011 15:46:38 GMT -5
heenan family was definitely the closest.
perfect= flair
rude= blanchard
andre= arn or tully
haku= arn or tully
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Post by nikita78koloff on Jul 22, 2011 21:54:31 GMT -5
HORSEMEN ARE NOT MADE THEY ARE BORN!!! HEH WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!!!!!
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