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Post by johnnyb on Jul 12, 2011 14:05:25 GMT -5
If someone could name a young wrestler that Hogan actually squashed during his return I'd be very grateful. So what if he beat Triple H, who went on to win like 6 more World titles. He had a four-week run with the title. Pretty sure that stunted the growth of nobody. Booker T and RVD weren't bigger than they were because they got steamrolled by HHH in every major match they had.
Really, whose spot was Hogan taking for that whole month? Or during any of his comeback, where he put over just about everyone he faced?
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jul 12, 2011 14:22:54 GMT -5
I didn't mind Hogan getting the belt until two weeks later and I'm thinking "Oh God have him drop it already". The novelty wore off. Taker deserved it so I'm glad he got it. But Hogan lost to EVERYBODY during that run. Angle made him tap, Brock beat the snot out of him, HHH got his win back, Taker beat him, Rock beat him and I'm sure I'm forgetting others. Hogan did great during that run in my mind. He should have continued that for Orton and HBK years later but his ego got inflated again.
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Post by machoking on Jul 12, 2011 14:29:38 GMT -5
If someone could name a young wrestler that Hogan actually squashed during his return I'd be very grateful. So what if he beat Triple H, who went on to win like 6 more World titles. He had a four-week run with the title. Pretty sure that stunted the growth of nobody. Booker T and RVD weren't bigger than they were because they got steamrolled by HHH in every major match they had. Really, whose spot was Hogan taking for that whole month? Or during any of his comeback, where he put over just about everyone he faced? Ding Ding Ding Ding....and we have a winner. Even as champion, Hogan wasnt holding anyone down. |
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Post by K5 on Jul 12, 2011 14:38:15 GMT -5
If someone could name a young wrestler that Hogan actually squashed during his return I'd be very grateful. So what if he beat Triple H, who went on to win like 6 more World titles. He had a four-week run with the title. Pretty sure that stunted the growth of nobody. Booker T and RVD weren't bigger than they were because they got steamrolled by HHH in every major match they had. Really, whose spot was Hogan taking for that whole month? Or during any of his comeback, where he put over just about everyone he faced? it's the fact that he automatically shot to the main event scene, so everyone went down a notch. i'm not trying to justify triple h's career and the people he's held down, but two wrongs does not in any way make a right either way. admittedly, hogan did do a good series of putting people over during that run. i do still stand by that he never should've had a reign. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2011 15:36:43 GMT -5
If someone could name a young wrestler that Hogan actually squashed during his return I'd be very grateful. So what if he beat Triple H, who went on to win like 6 more World titles. He had a four-week run with the title. Pretty sure that stunted the growth of nobody. Booker T and RVD weren't bigger than they were because they got steamrolled by HHH in every major match they had. Really, whose spot was Hogan taking for that whole month? Or during any of his comeback, where he put over just about everyone he faced? good post IMO he held nobody down.he didnt have the time to. |
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Jul 12, 2011 15:38:22 GMT -5
If someone could name a young wrestler that Hogan actually squashed during his return I'd be very grateful. So what if he beat Triple H, who went on to win like 6 more World titles. He had a four-week run with the title. Pretty sure that stunted the growth of nobody. Booker T and RVD weren't bigger than they were because they got steamrolled by HHH in every major match they had. Really, whose spot was Hogan taking for that whole month? Or during any of his comeback, where he put over just about everyone he faced? i'm not trying to justify triple h's career and the people he's held down, but two wrongs does not in any way make a right either way. admittedly, hogan did do a good series of putting people over during that run. i do still stand by that he never should've had a reign. Well it's not like he was just a washed up legend...he was the most over wrestler on the roster and arguable the biggest legend of all time. Kinda hard to have him on the under-card not really doing much. Besides it was Vince's decision to put the title on him, it was a short reign and he ended up putting over plenty of talent with his return including helping to kick of Edge's single career. |
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Post by bountyhunterblood5 on Jul 12, 2011 15:40:40 GMT -5
Hogan should have never had that run he was so washed up by then. Only old man I have no problem with holding a belt is Flair. Why? Hogan was more over then then Flair ever was in the WWE/F Because Flair is the man thats y |
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Post by koreygunz on Jul 12, 2011 19:47:13 GMT -5
I was at the Smackdown taping in Louisville when Hogan and Vince signed the contract for their WM match. When Hogan came out he got a sustained 5-7 minute pop. He had to quiet the crowd so they could start the segment. He was still insanely over, even then, and the novelty had not worn off. Awesome moment....goosebumps!
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 12, 2011 22:42:28 GMT -5
it's the fact that he automatically shot to the main event scene, so everyone went down a notch. i'm not trying to justify triple h's career and the people he's held down, but two wrongs does not in any way make a right either way. admittedly, hogan did do a good series of putting people over during that run. i do still stand by that he never should've had a reign. . Actually, it's a lot like that. WWE still had Austin, Undertaker, Rock, Angle, and HHH in their primes back then. There was no need to involve an old,increasingly-frail man with the title when that kind of talent was on hand. Hogan's PPV matches with HHH and Taker were painfully slow and don't even get me started on that RAW that was headlined by Hogan vs Flair, whose combined ages was nearly 100 at that point.  |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 13, 2011 8:55:51 GMT -5
1) Taker has squashed young guys the last couple of years. Just look at what he did to CM Punk at Hell in a Cell. He set Punk back a few years after that feud.
2) While he wasn't fiftysomething, HHH was still past his prime. You can't deny that HHH's best years were behind him after that second quad injury, yet again he was on top w/ the WWE title in 2008 for about 8 months. HBK is overrated as hell, and squashed more young guys than I can count the last few years. How about in 2007 when Orton needed a big win after being just handed the title, and HBK never let Orton get a clean win over him.
And neither did HHH, Undertaker, Rock, or Jericho, who were all given shots w/ the Undisputed title. It still doesn't change the fact that it was a smart business move to move the title onto one of the more popular guys in the company for a month to try something different. Ratings were falling, and Vince was trying anything to spark a new interest in wrestling.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 13, 2011 9:02:20 GMT -5
I've always heard that people blame Hogan for his bad matches w/ HHH and Taker, yet Rock and Angle were able to pull decent matches out of him. While Hogan has always been close to terrible in the ring, I'd blame it too on HHH being all roided up and slow at the time in the ring and Taker who seemed to struggle a bit in the ring as well in 2002.
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 13, 2011 9:13:49 GMT -5
1) Taker has squashed young guys the last couple of years. Just look at what he did to CM Punk at Hell in a Cell. He set Punk back a few years after that feud. 2) While he wasn't fiftysomething, HHH was still past his prime. You can't deny that HHH's best years were behind him after that second quad injury, yet again he was on top w/ the WWE title in 2008 for about 8 months. HBK is overrated as hell, and squashed more young guys than I can count the last few years. How about in 2007 when Orton needed a big win after being just handed the title, and HBK never let Orton get a clean win over him.As champion, who did Orton ever get a clean win over? If you ask me, he dominated his feud with Shawn, considering he beat him every time they wrestled on PPV, and in a variety of match types. I agree that Shawn should've lost a few more of his matches around 2002-2003, but from 2006 and on he basically put everyone he faced over at some point. |
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Post by K5 on Jul 13, 2011 9:38:59 GMT -5
I've always heard that people blame Hogan for his bad matches w/ HHH and Taker, yet Rock and Angle were able to pull decent matches out of him. While Hogan has always been close to terrible in the ring, I'd blame it too on HHH being all roided up and slow at the time in the ring and Taker who seemed to struggle a bit in the ring as well in 2002. both undertaker and triple h were not in good enough condition to make both themselves AND their opponent look good. yes, rocky and angle pulled a good match out of him, but they could literally pull a good match out of a broomstick. nevertheless, spots looked horrid. undertaker wasn't a young man and had had his fair share of injuries. he STILL carries people from time to time, but a 50+ year old man? c'mon. |
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Post by K5 on Jul 13, 2011 9:49:34 GMT -5
1) i think hbk gave BACK to the younger wwe wrestlers much more than he took.
2) as i said before, triple h's political prowess and accomplishments does not justify hogan getting the strap. the old 'two wrongs' thing. and hhh COULD still wrestle during that run, perhaps not as well as he could, but still leagues beyond the barely mobile hogan.
3) i personally think that feud with undertaker is what 'made' cm punk a legit threat in the wwe. he got the (controversial) victory over taker at breaking point. could he have won the hiac? sure, would've made more sense. but taker still without a doubt has put over far, far, far more talent than he's ever buried.
ps. there was obvious issues with punk in 2009, why do you think his match with taker was the opener? they were disciplining him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 11:42:09 GMT -5
HHH was carrying way too much muscle when he came back in 2002.he wasnt half the guy he was before the quad tear.took him a while to get his mojo back in ring IMO.
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Post by machoking on Jul 13, 2011 21:03:08 GMT -5
Well it's not like he was just a washed up legend. Actually, it's a lot like that. WWE still had Austin, Undertaker, Rock, Angle, and HHH in their primes back then. There was no need to involve an old,increasingly-frail man with the title when that kind of talent was on hand. Hogan's PPV matches with HHH and Taker were painfully slow and don't even get me started on that RAW that was headlined by Hogan vs Flair, whose combined ages was nearly 100 at that point. and Hogan was still getting a better crowd reaction then all of the above mentioned names. While it was old, Hogan was still something new and fresh in the WWF for that era. It was like a whole new generation was being introduced to Hulkamania and proved that in fact, it will never die. |
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Post by roddypiper on Jul 13, 2011 21:27:50 GMT -5
Actually, it's a lot like that. WWE still had Austin, Undertaker, Rock, Angle, and HHH in their primes back then. There was no need to involve an old,increasingly-frail man with the title when that kind of talent was on hand. Hogan's PPV matches with HHH and Taker were painfully slow and don't even get me started on that RAW that was headlined by Hogan vs Flair, whose combined ages was nearly 100 at that point. and Hogan was still getting a better crowd reaction then all of the above mentioned names. While it was old, Hogan was still something new and fresh in the WWF for that era. It was like a whole new generation was being introduced to Hulkamania and proved that in fact, it will never die. I just want to add by this point Austin's body was starting to break down at a rapid rate. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 13, 2011 22:15:54 GMT -5
I've always heard that people blame Hogan for his bad matches w/ HHH and Taker, yet Rock and Angle were able to pull decent matches out of him. While Hogan has always been close to terrible in the ring, I'd blame it too on HHH being all roided up and slow at the time in the ring and Taker who seemed to struggle a bit in the ring as well in 2002. Therein lies the problem. When a guy is the champ, he should be the one carrying others to great matches. When you're the centerpiece, you should be the most well-rounded guy on the roster. Sometimes 2 or 3 guys fit that bill but a decrepit sun worshipper who did the same interview over and over for 20 years doesn't. Hogan's reign was the low point for the WWF/E title in the 2000s. |
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Post by DTP. on Jul 13, 2011 22:16:08 GMT -5
My theory is that Triple H was meant to hold onto the title and then enter the feud with Undertaker. With 'Taker gaining contention to the WWF title at Backlash 2002, it could have easily been switched to Triple H vs 'Taker at Judgment Day. When HHH was awarded the Undisputed title, 'Taker was the man that came out. Hunter and 'Taker fought through to King of the Ring, and that in my mind is where the real feud was meant to end.
Instead, Hogan won the belt due to nostalgic purposes, it bombed, and 'Taker took back the belt and Hunter continued his rivalry with 'Taker soon after. But HHH's sudden rivalry with Vince McMahon at the same time, added to the fire. Looking into HHH's reasoning for hating Vince (in kayfabe), it could also be because Vince nominated Hogan to beat HHH for the title in non-kayfabe. Of course, I'm probably looking too far into things. It's just my observation.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 13, 2011 22:22:57 GMT -5
Actually, it's a lot like that. WWE still had Austin, Undertaker, Rock, Angle, and HHH in their primes back then. There was no need to involve an old,increasingly-frail man with the title when that kind of talent was on hand. Hogan's PPV matches with HHH and Taker were painfully slow and don't even get me started on that RAW that was headlined by Hogan vs Flair, whose combined ages was nearly 100 at that point. and Hogan was still getting a better crowd reaction then all of the above mentioned names. While it was old, Hogan was still something new and fresh in the WWF for that era. It was like a whole new generation was being introduced to Hulkamania and proved that in fact, it will never die. LOL!!!! A guy with a skullet, bad knees, a mismatched beard, and saggy, leather skin was new and fresh??! He looks like those creepy townies who live in spring break hot spots and try to party with college kids who are young enough to be their grandkids. Sad, sad, sad. |
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