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Post by machoking on Jul 13, 2011 23:43:31 GMT -5
and Hogan was still getting a better crowd reaction then all of the above mentioned names. While it was old, Hogan was still something new and fresh in the WWF for that era. It was like a whole new generation was being introduced to Hulkamania and proved that in fact, it will never die. LOL!!!! A guy with a skullet, bad knees, a mismatched beard, and saggy, leather skin was new and fresh??! He looks like those creepy townies who live in spring break hot spots and try to party with college kids who are young enough to be their grandkids. Sad, sad, sad. Read what I said...He was new and fresh for that era. The new fans that were getting into wrestling (or had come in during the Monday Night Wars era) just then didnt know Hulkamania, they didnt know Red and Yellow Hulk Hogan. It was their experience for them and a nostalgic experience for those that did. He was clearly over. Clearly getting better "pops" and standing Ovations bigger then Triple H, bigger then The Rock, bigger then The Undertaker and even bigger then Steve Austin. The quote of "when you're champ you should be carrying others to great matches" makes me wonder if you understand the business side of wrestling or not. If that is your opinion Hulk Hogan, John Cena, Diesel, Yokozuna, Batista, Sycho Sid, and Big Show should have never sniffed the title. Take those guys out of the past (or present in Cenas case) and tell me how well your wrestling company is doing? Im sure guys like Iron Sheik, Bob Backlund and Roddy Piper would have carried WWF right to the top in the 80s just like Hulk Hogan did. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 14, 2011 1:09:04 GMT -5
LOL!!!! A guy with a skullet, bad knees, a mismatched beard, and saggy, leather skin was new and fresh??! He looks like those creepy townies who live in spring break hot spots and try to party with college kids who are young enough to be their grandkids. Sad, sad, sad. Read what I said...He was new and fresh for that era. The new fans that were getting into wrestling (or had come in during the Monday Night Wars era) just then didnt know Hulkamania, they didnt know Red and Yellow Hulk Hogan. It was their experience for them and a nostalgic experience for those that did. He was clearly over. Clearly getting better "pops" and standing Ovations bigger then Triple H, bigger then The Rock, bigger then The Undertaker and even bigger then Steve Austin. The quote of "when you're champ you should be carrying others to great matches" makes me wonder if you understand the business side of wrestling or not. If that is your opinion Hulk Hogan, John Cena, Diesel, Yokozuna, Batista, Sycho Sid, and Big Show should have never sniffed the title. Take those guys out of the past (or present in Cenas case) and tell me how well your wrestling company is doing? Im sure guys like Iron Sheik, Bob Backlund and Roddy Piper would have carried WWF right to the top in the 80s just like Hulk Hogan did. Yes, I certainly understand the business side. In fact, I think the current WWE creative team has lost their historical perspective, which is why Vince is reportedly having hissy fits in meetings because he can't make new stars. That is how the business survives: by moving on to the new generation. New fans want young studs with whom they can identify. Older fans (particularly hardcore ones) want more than just smoke and mirrors. They want a guy(s) who does special things, particularly from bell to bell. If you look at the WWF/E in 1980, then look at the company every 5 years after that, the main event scene constantly changed. WWE reinvented itself, which is how it sustained its popularity. One of the biggest reasons the company is in trouble now is because they are still trying to sell us the same stuff they were in 2004. 2002 was a transitional time for WWE. Pushing a guy like Lesnar, who was young, different, and believable was a good move. Going back to Hogan, whose best days were a decade or more behind him was a step back. Check that, it was more like 3 steps back. It hindered two PPVs and several weeks of RAW. There are very, very, very few guys who are viable main eventers after 40 because the human body starts to break down under the rough lifestyle that is pro wrestling. And to answer your question(s): Hogan-not after '91, his time had passed and I would have demanded better in-ring work..... John Cena-needs a different gimmick. When the #1 babyface gets booed, something is wrong. He's sloppy too... Diesel- his window was small, but he was solid for several years.. Yokozuna- if he could have learned to speak for himself and kept his weight under 500 (preferably 450), he was also solid... Batista--terrible, part of the reason the current fans don't connect with the product... Sid--history has shown him to be a complete mess. He shouldn't have sniffed the main event.... Big Show--the best true giant the biz has ever seen. Had I promoted him, I would have identified the smoking/lack of exercise early on and corrected them. He needed focus in his main event days. |
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Post by candygallows on Jul 14, 2011 7:57:16 GMT -5
LOL!!!! A guy with a skullet, bad knees, a mismatched beard, and saggy, leather skin was new and fresh??! He looks like those creepy townies who live in spring break hot spots and try to party with college kids who are young enough to be their grandkids. Sad, sad, sad. It was their experience for them and a nostalgic experience for those that did. He was clearly over. Clearly getting better "pops" and standing Ovations bigger then Triple H, bigger then The Rock, bigger then The Undertaker and even bigger then Steve Austin. The quote of "when you're champ you should be carrying others to great matches" makes me wonder if you understand the business side of wrestling or not. If that is your opinion Hulk Hogan, John Cena, Diesel, Yokozuna, Batista, Sycho Sid, and Big Show should have never sniffed the title. Take those guys out of the past (or present in Cenas case) and tell me how well your wrestling company is doing? Im sure guys like Iron Sheik, Bob Backlund and Roddy Piper would have carried WWF right to the top in the 80s just like Hulk Hogan did. Not to be all rude and correctful, but, here: i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/d0/c2/74_2.JPGHe did it in WCW around 1999/2000 too, and fought some better matches.lol |
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Post by becausethenight on Jul 16, 2011 9:36:28 GMT -5
Yokozuna- if he could have learned to speak for himself and kept his weight under 500 (preferably 450), he was also solid... You do know that Yoko was actually Samoan, and not Japanese, right? And that he could speak perfect English? Fuji/Cornette speaking for him was just another way to get him over, and it clearly worked. Yoko was probably the best heel of the mid-90s. |
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Post by meangene on Jul 16, 2011 13:26:56 GMT -5
I am a Egomaniac
fights for the rights of just myself
I am a Egomaniac
fights for the rights.......fights for myseeeeeeelf !
Egomania is runnin wild , brother !
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Post by K5 on Jul 16, 2011 13:32:56 GMT -5
Yokozuna- if he could have learned to speak for himself and kept his weight under 500 (preferably 450), he was also solid... You do know that Yoko was actually Samoan, and not Japanese, right? And that he could speak perfect English? Fuji/Cornette speaking for him was just another way to get him over, and it clearly worked. Yoko was probably the best heel of the mid-90s. not trying to be a dick, but i can essentially guarantee that antivenom is quite aware of yokozuna's actual bloodlines. |
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Post by machoking on Jul 16, 2011 13:48:47 GMT -5
Read what I said...He was new and fresh for that era. The new fans that were getting into wrestling (or had come in during the Monday Night Wars era) just then didnt know Hulkamania, they didnt know Red and Yellow Hulk Hogan. It was their experience for them and a nostalgic experience for those that did. He was clearly over. Clearly getting better "pops" and standing Ovations bigger then Triple H, bigger then The Rock, bigger then The Undertaker and even bigger then Steve Austin. The quote of "when you're champ you should be carrying others to great matches" makes me wonder if you understand the business side of wrestling or not. If that is your opinion Hulk Hogan, John Cena, Diesel, Yokozuna, Batista, Sycho Sid, and Big Show should have never sniffed the title. Take those guys out of the past (or present in Cenas case) and tell me how well your wrestling company is doing? Im sure guys like Iron Sheik, Bob Backlund and Roddy Piper would have carried WWF right to the top in the 80s just like Hulk Hogan did. Not to be all rude and correctful, but, here: i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/d0/c2/74_2.JPGHe did it in WCW around 1999/2000 too, and fought some better matches.lol Again....Do you know how many people watched WCW around 1999-2000? lol Seriously, most people were long gone by then. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 16, 2011 23:33:52 GMT -5
You do know that Yoko was actually Samoan, and not Japanese, right? And that he could speak perfect English? Fuji/Cornette speaking for him was just another way to get him over, and it clearly worked. Yoko was probably the best heel of the mid-90s. . Being that I watched him as Kokina Maximus, yes, I was quite aware of who he actually was before he ever signed a WWF contract. I liked Cornette & Fuji being with him, but once he got to the ME, having him be a mute was stupid. When he actually did start talking, it was obvious that the WWF had missed the boat by not having him speak on occasion. Ironically, there is a CV match where a camera caught Yoko (who was said to speak on in Japanese) screaming, "Come on big boy!" at Luger during a match. ;D |
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