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Post by T R W on Jul 16, 2011 1:19:52 GMT -5
Is this such a hard concept to get around? Also- to anyone who absolutely despises the idea of college, go get a fulltime job instead out of high school and let me know how that worked out for you in ten years. My best friend graudated high school in 1993, went straight into the work force, and never took even a semester of college. He currently is an internet security engineer for a very large company, makes a very nice 6 figure salary, and has no debt. It worked pretty well for him.
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 16, 2011 2:16:55 GMT -5
I dont understand the logic of a degree declaring the only way to learn something. My mom is a dental assistant/office manager and learned it all by an apprentice position. Now the same thing she learned you have to have a degree of sorts for....yet most of these people have no clue what they are doing when they get out...no real life experience just a paper. Now my mom still gets jobs over them due to her countless years of experience and references.
Why does a paper have to be an indication of ability. God Forbid we meet someone and talk to them and see if they know the skills they are claiming and what references they have....no by the standards of today, they look and see a piece of paper with a stamp stating they atleast passed and go YOUR HIRED...granted my interpretation is a little loose but you get my idea.
everyone keeps saying "school isnt for everyone" and what everyone is neglecting to realize is that society is making it "extra schooling or nothing" as a source of elimination. Why if I want to be a teacher of english, must I also know an extreme amount of other skills such as math. I can know all the necessary skills without needing the extremes college sets forth and still make a wonderful teacher.
I think everyone is agreeing on one thing, college isnt right for everyone. What no one can seem to find out is what we are going to do 30 years from now if the system keeps moving in this fashion. remember, some of the greatest thinkers, scientists, and just people didnt attend such places and made it quite well but it was in a day when their was still respect for people who knew what they were talking about because they wanted too not just because society told them to get a paper saying they knew it....
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Jul 16, 2011 12:33:33 GMT -5
my wife , spent 60k+ on a college education.. graduated 5 years ago.. and still cant find a job in her field.. she recieved a degree in integrated language arts .. is a highly certified english teacher.. but cant find anyone to hire her... now she is going back to college to get an other degree in intervention specialist... thats roughtly an other 7k....
she knows what she is doing... has busted her ass to get there... but all doors have been shut infront of her... let alone getting a foot into one...
i think its great she went.. and did well... but i dropped out of college.. because i didnt want to be there.. went because i was "supposed" to... didnt like it.. was wasting money... i said screw it and have been working full time.. which i love.. but i has also been working since i was 13.. so its what im used to ..
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Post by Tim of thee on Jul 16, 2011 13:35:58 GMT -5
biggest scam in america = fitness and massage contracts
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 17, 2011 12:58:25 GMT -5
Looking through this thread it shocks me how diffferent the US College system seems to be to the UK University system, when I always thought fees were the main difference. Seems to me like we have way more choice (no compulsory subjects at Uni or in the 2 years preceeding it) but a degree is needed more to reach the top.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 17, 2011 21:48:05 GMT -5
Looking through this thread it shocks me how diffferent the US College system seems to be to the UK University system, when I always thought fees were the main difference. Seems to me like we have way more choice (no compulsory subjects at Uni or in the 2 years preceeding it) but a degree is needed more to reach the top. In this country, the government sticking its nose in things pretty much guarantees failure.
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Post by T R W on Jul 17, 2011 22:33:10 GMT -5
Basically we are looking at another government bailout for colleges and students with college loans when all of this comes to a head. Then the government will print more money that has no gold backing, and further destory the value of the dollar.
The reason tuition is so high is because the government is guaranteeing this money to the schools, and giving loans to ANYONE who wants them now. People who weren't good students in high school, people with bad credit, people with bad track records. People who will likely never pay the money back. The schools don't have to compete with each other, and the tuition just keeps skyrocketing, because attendance keeps going up, because everyone can get a loan. And in this time where jobs are scarce, and the economy is crap, more people are going to college to make themselves more attractive to potential employers.
Sorry, kind of rambled there.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jul 17, 2011 22:52:57 GMT -5
Is this such a hard concept to get around? Also- to anyone who absolutely despises the idea of college, go get a fulltime job instead out of high school and let me know how that worked out for you in ten years. My best friend graudated high school in 1993, went straight into the work force, and never took even a semester of college. He currently is an internet security engineer for a very large company, makes a very nice 6 figure salary, and has no debt. It worked pretty well for him.
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 18, 2011 4:52:31 GMT -5
Basically we are looking at another government bailout for colleges and students with college loans when all of this comes to a head. Then the government will print more money that has no gold backing, and further destory the value of the dollar. The reason tuition is so high is because the government is guaranteeing this money to the schools, and giving loans to ANYONE who wants them now. People who weren't good students in high school, people with bad credit, people with bad track records. People who will likely never pay the money back. The schools don't have to compete with each other, and the tuition just keeps skyrocketing, because attendance keeps going up, because everyone can get a loan. And in this time where jobs are scarce, and the economy is crap, more people are going to college to make themselves more attractive to potential employers. Sorry, kind of rambled there. Word.
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Post by King of Kings on Jul 18, 2011 10:21:34 GMT -5
biggest scam in america = fitness and massage contracts Bingo. I know someone who's involved with a fitness company, which basically helps people "lose weight fast." They basically just tell them things that're common sense. "eat less. work out here." It charges so much of their money. I can't believe the crappeople will spend to lose weight. Regarding college, I actually felt like I was learning in my university but recently because of affirmative action my school had to cut the population so they raised their minimum standard. My GPA was below their new minimum requirement by .02. That's it. .02. I'm appealing it to come back in on academic probation. Freakin' bogus. I can stay in the school if I receive no financial aid. I need it though. $7,000 per semester is a lot to pay on my own...
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