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Post by Mr. Orange on Aug 15, 2011 23:10:22 GMT -5
To be fully honest, according to BG James/Road Dogg, Kevin Nash got the call for this angle on Friday. So I don't think even WWE knows where they're fully going with this just yet
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 23:11:11 GMT -5
After Raw went off the air tonight, Cena continued to call out Alberto Del Rio, however he tried to exit to the back. CM Punk's music hit and he chased Del Rio into the ring. Del Rio took finishers from both Cena and Punk, then Ricardo Rodriguez hit the ring to try to grab the WWE Title, and he took an AA from Cena and a GTS from Punk.
-Wrestlezone.com
SO Punk is potentially involved with the title.
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Post by BV on Aug 15, 2011 23:14:19 GMT -5
After Raw went off the air tonight, Cena continued to call out Alberto Del Rio, however he tried to exit to the back. CM Punk's music hit and he chased Del Rio into the ring. Del Rio took finishers from both Cena and Punk, then Ricardo Rodriguez hit the ring to try to grab the WWE Title, and he took an AA from Cena and a GTS from Punk. -Wrestlezone.com SO Punk is potentially involved with the title. That's only to send crowd home happy.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 15, 2011 23:18:11 GMT -5
I would love for somebody to clarify the storyline for me, because on a story-telling level, not much of what's going on makes sense to me (and as a published author, I feel I have some abillity to judge this). I'm not criticizing the product through the lens of a wrestling fan right now, I'm criticizing their abillity to tell a cohesive story. Maybe I'm expecting too much. You are reading a 400 page book, do you expect the whole thing to be explained on page 50? No, you read the entire book to see what happens and you enjoy it along the way. There may be bumps that you don't enjoy but you continue reading. There may be more than one of the books, a part of a series, so the ending doesn't have to tie everything up. But with people here, they want to take a trilogy and have it done and over with very early on. If the WWE's summer storyline is a 400 page book, then the first one-hundred pages (the rise of Punk) were captivating, and the next 200 or so seem to be an author's notes sloppily left on the page and presented as a final product. I've given them the benefit of the doubt that they have some time left to tie it together, but they continue to make my doubts seem valid. As far as your second point, I worry that there is no more left. I don't want it to be "over and done with" but the past month has been completely rushed as it is, from the tournament to Punk's return to McMahon being ousted to everything else. I only expect instant gratification (or lack-there-of) because that's what I'm used to right now.
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Post by Chip on Aug 15, 2011 23:26:22 GMT -5
lost in all this arguing/bitching is the fact that tonight's RAW was suffering from a SERIOUS LACK OF RYDER!
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Post by radicalpunk on Aug 15, 2011 23:26:49 GMT -5
i feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy themselves.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 15, 2011 23:32:42 GMT -5
i feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy themselves. You seem to have this idea that because I (and others) criticize the product that it means we don't like watching it. The wrestling on the show was pretty damn good. I enjoyed that quite a bit. I just wish their main storyline made more sense.
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Post by radicalpunk on Aug 15, 2011 23:36:15 GMT -5
i feel sorry for anyone who can't enjoy themselves. You seem to have this idea that because I (and others) criticize the product that it means we don't like watching it. The wrestling on the show was pretty damn good. I enjoyed that quite a bit. I just wish their main storyline made more sense. i didn't mean everyone, it just seems some people are complaining about it more than enjoying it. almost like writing it off as a failure. how about talking about what you liked about it?
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 15, 2011 23:44:57 GMT -5
You seem to have this idea that because I (and others) criticize the product that it means we don't like watching it. The wrestling on the show was pretty damn good. I enjoyed that quite a bit. I just wish their main storyline made more sense. i didn't mean everyone, it just seems some people are complaining about it more than enjoying it. almost like writing it off as a failure. how about talking about what you liked about it? It's a lot easier to talk about what needed work than to praise what worked well. That's just part of the human condition. But since you asked: I enjoyed JoMo vs. Truth, the Tag Team division getting some TV time (and some aid), the new direction for Swagger, the interaction between Punk/Nash, and the main event itself.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 15, 2011 23:45:10 GMT -5
Oh, and The Miz's segment was terrible. No excuse for that kind of garbage on a show that has too many commercials as it is. I get that Miz's character is 'the WWE Superstar who rubs elbows with Corporate elite' and all of that, and I like it, but he should not come out on RAW and plug Subway and nothing else. It's even more dumb when you consider it was the night after SummerSlam and a week after he was Vance Archer-level intense.
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Post by radicalpunk on Aug 16, 2011 0:08:03 GMT -5
Oh, and The Miz's segment was terrible. No excuse for that kind of garbage on a show that has too many commercials as it is. I get that Miz's character is 'the WWE Superstar who rubs elbows with Corporate elite' and all of that, and I like it, but he should not come out on RAW and plug Subway and nothing else. It's even more dumb when you consider it was the night after SummerSlam and a week after he was Vance Archer-level intense. that's one of the few things i didn't like at all. why was miz out there? to get more heat or to promote subway? they could've done without that segment. i didn't mean everyone, it just seems some people are complaining about it more than enjoying it. almost like writing it off as a failure. how about talking about what you liked about it? It's a lot easier to talk about what needed work than to praise what worked well. That's just part of the human condition. But since you asked: I enjoyed JoMo vs. Truth, the Tag Team division getting some TV time (and some aid), the new direction for Swagger, the interaction between Punk/Nash, and the main event itself. so in other words, most of the show... lol. but i do see your point though how it's easier to talk about what needs work.
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Post by J12 on Aug 16, 2011 0:29:01 GMT -5
Had to DVR Raw tonight. Just finished up. Few notes...
No answers tonight, not that I was expecting any, I suppose that's not a bad thing. Let this thing breathe.
Miz segment was horrible. Send him to Smackdown and let him get the airtime and programs he deserves.
JOHN MORRISON WON A MATCH OH MY GOD.
JACK SWAGGER WON A MATCH OH MY GOD.
Speaking of Jack Swagger, that whole segment was pitiful. Really and truly, the most amateur segment I've seen WWE pull off in years. The match itself was fine, but everything else was just god awful. The commentary, Ziggler and Vickie (who are usually both spot on), everything that wasn't related to the actual wrestling itself was so cringe worthy that I wanted to vomit. Who the hell screwed up here? It was like one thing went wrong and they all fell apart.
Punk/Nash promo was great. Nash didn't make sense half of the time, and Punk made him look like a jackass, but I'm perfectly fine with that. I don't like Nash, but I like the direction this is headed in. I just hope that if they do have a match, Punk goes over.
Not a bad tag match from Bourne/Kofi and McGullitunga. Looks like Kofi and Evan are officially a team now. Also known as "we have nothing else for you to do".
Main event was solid. I'm still not sold on Del Rio as champion. Doesn't work for me. I liked Cena's promo, but I still don't give a crap about that match when it does happen.
My only issue with the way things are progressing is that the WWE Championship is no longer a focal point. In fact, I couldn't care less about who has it, who is challenging for it, it makes no difference to me. I just want more Punk/Nash/H. It seems like it may have been a bit premature to take that factor out of the mix.
Also, it appears as though Cena's foot on the rope truly meant nothing other than not giving Punk a clean win, which sucks.
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Post by xtremeperil on Aug 16, 2011 0:49:31 GMT -5
I loved this Raw. I don't think I've enjoyed Raw this consistently since early 2007. Can't believe I haven't checked out Smackdown considering how much I'm loving this. Time for my review of the show... Opening segment
Eh, kind of sucked to be honest. I was already hyped for Kevin Nash's speech, and WWE did a lot to tease that before it happened (e.g. showing Nash arrive, goes to commercial break, and return to a diva's match). Which is nice and all, but this promo by Trips didn't do anything for me. As for Del Rio's portion, I've never liked this guy on the mic. This was probably the best promo I've seen from the guy, which is hardly saying anything, but still a plus (at least, in the direction for a plus). But he doesn't have to be great on the mic, because he's good enough in the ring to get me behind him.
Falls Count Anywhere
Great opening bout. The ending chair-knee spot was awesome, and I was slightly impressed with R-Truth here. I'm not Truth fan, but he was pretty good here, though Morrison outshone him.
Miz Does Subway
Okay... why? I actually kind of enjoyed this but I just don't plain see the point. I would've preferred Miz did something else, but this wasn't dreadful.
Diva's
I was hoping for the other team to be Beth and Natalya, I was disappointed when the Bella's came out, but I actually liked this. This marks the second match where I thought Kelly actually did a good job (for the most par), and the only match where I don't recall bitching about the Bella's. As for Eve, well I always thought she was one of the best diva's on the roster, so yeah. I do miss her doing that running handstand moonsault she use to do (or maybe she only did it once, I don't know), but I'm fine with the top rope one.
Punk-Nash
Epic. Punk, of course, totally owned Kevin Nash on the mic here, but Nash did a good job here. My favorite part was the "OMG Kevin Nash WTF I Thought He Died LOL" text Punk shared with us. Funniest part of Raw, and there was actually quite a bit of humor in this episode.
I'm just going to discuss the entire thing here, they're doing this perfectly. I mean, they've set the seeds for it being Stephanie the one who text Nash (using Trips phone) with that interaction, and with Trips claiming he had nothing to do with the attack. Potentially, WWE is setting up a HHH/Steph feud for power over WWE. Or maybe, Trips is involved, and they will have Trips pretend to side with Punk, until turning on him. Or, the whole Steph thing could be something of a red herring, and maybe Vince was the one who contacted Nash to take out the winner.
As for Nash/John L., that convinces me that the five-man, maybe Scramble, WWE title match will happen. Or that we will see Punk vs. Nash at NoC's, but I am so rooting for the latter. Hell, speaking of who contacted Nash, a long shot, but maybe it's John L... Actually, I'm dead set on it being John L. He had problems with CM Punk before, and definitely had them at Summerslam, and I'm sure he's still pissed about Cena punching him. The contract signing Raw showed that John L. worked close with Trips on certain aspects, so it's plausible he could of got access to Trips phone while Trips was preparing. I'm calling it now, John L. is behind this.
Ziggles Commentary
I loved the pairing of Ziggler and Vickie on commentary. It made it so much better. I actually sometimes lost track of the Swagger/Riley match, which was a good match, because of how enjoyable the commentary was overall. Also, they are teasing a Swagger/Ziggler rivalry or team up with the Swagger/Vickie promo, and I'm cool with both, so this is a great decision.
The Tag Champions... On Raw!?
I haven't seen these guys since the Roulette. Anyways, this was a pretty good match, and the team of Bourne and Kingston is awesome. I also loved how King was bashing the tag champions for not defending the titles often and being "The bland leading the bland". That was kind of it, but he talked about it for a bit. So this was good, hopefully Kingston and Bourne become Champions at Night Of Champions.
The Ending
The built the match up throughout the show greatly, as it tied into the match. Seeing Rey win the title with essentially the same combo on three different occasions, and then seeing Rey hit the sequence basically was perfect. I was actually positive that Rey was going to win before the last five seconds after he set-up the 619 the second (?) time. Alberto Del Rio made the match greatly for me. That enzuigiri and the finish was incredible. That enzuigiri was probably the best he's ever done, and I always thought he had the best ones in the business.
Then he continues beating up Rey, and Cena finally makes an appearance making a save, and then giving a really bad-ass promo, minus a few things I didn't like. Like saying "someday he'll have to defend the title", seemingly not acknowledging he just did. I know Cena was leading somewhere with that line, and that line was great, but that small line didn't sit well with me. This was one of the best uses of Cena in a while if you ask me. Cena's brief appearance on this Raw was one of my favorite things Cena did on Raw in quite some time. So yeah, I loved this Raw. *Edit* On the Nash theories, John L. could also been working for Steph, which would result in the first result I suggested, and meshes with John L. being the guy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 0:50:14 GMT -5
Bitching or not, can we all agree that Truth's new theme is ing awesome?
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Post by radicalpunk on Aug 16, 2011 1:00:54 GMT -5
one way to have punk involved with the title picture is have del rio responsible for nash, but that just adds one more to the feud.. maybe one too many. it's just wishful thinking.
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Post by facemeat on Aug 16, 2011 1:12:06 GMT -5
Bitching or not, can we all agree that Truth's new theme is ing awesome? I can certainly agree to that. I wasn't a big fan of...well, silence, so it's nice to hear him have an actual theme again.
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Post by Seahorse on Aug 16, 2011 1:19:56 GMT -5
Bitching or not, can we all agree that Truth's new theme is ing awesome? I can't agree. I really think the no music while he walks down the ramp mumbling to himself fits him better.
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Post by MikeMillenium on Aug 16, 2011 1:31:17 GMT -5
Awesome episode of RAW!
I really hope they give Otunga and McGillicutty a chance to do something other than have a match. It's going to kill them in the end. I feel like they are trying to do the best with what they can, but Otunga isn't the best wrestler (He improved though) and McGillicutty is more suited to be a face, so they don't know how to wrestle as heels so much. They are being expected to get over as heels, but can't really pull it off during the match. They need those extra chances to get over. They wrestle seamlessly together however, and the only thing that stop them from looking like a legit tag team is that they don't wear matching attire.
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Post by HardyHeft on Aug 16, 2011 1:43:34 GMT -5
both myself and my GF enjoyed Raw tonight. Wonderful show.
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Post by K5 on Aug 16, 2011 1:49:14 GMT -5
To be fully honest, according to BG James/Road Dogg, Kevin Nash got the call for this angle on Friday. So I don't think even WWE knows where they're fully going with this just yet THE ROAD DIGGITY GREEN DOGGY
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