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Post by Randolph J 'Hurricane' Spencer on Aug 25, 2011 17:24:47 GMT -5
After the end of the Alliance at Survivor Series 2001 the WCW belt became the World Title. Vince named it that the night after SSeries 01. Simmons is the first black WCW champion but that belt died in March of 2001 regardless of what the WWE says. It's like them claiming their US title dates back to the 70s. WWE had their own US title back in the 70s. WWE is very big on revisionist history. The whole MITB with D Bryan proves it. Both RVD and Kennedy announced when they were cashing in so Bryan wasn't nearly the first.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Aug 25, 2011 17:50:12 GMT -5
After the end of the Alliance at Survivor Series 2001 the WCW belt became the World Title. Vince named it that the night after SSeries 01. Simmons is the first black WCW champion but that belt died in March of 2001 regardless of what the WWE says. It's like them claiming their US title dates back to the 70s. WWE had their own US title back in the 70s. WWE is very big on revisionist history. The whole MITB with D Bryan proves it. Both RVD and Kennedy announced when they were cashing in so Bryan wasn't nearly the first. I guess you are right on that account. They chop and change the history books a wee bit too much to be fully sure of what accounts for what.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2011 19:46:36 GMT -5
NO WAY
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Post by Nash on Aug 26, 2011 16:29:38 GMT -5
That was recognized as the WCW title though. The first WWE World Heavyweight Champion was Triple H when Bischoff gave it to him. So technically Booker is the first black World Heavyweight Champion. I hate to be 'that' guy, but the first black WCW World Champion was Ron Simmons. I never said Rock was the first black WCW champion... The poster in the quote under me said Rock was the first World Heavyweight Champion, to which I responded Booker was the first World Heavyweight Champion After the end of the Alliance at Survivor Series 2001 the WCW belt became the World Title. Vince named it that the night after SSeries 01. Simmons is the first black WCW champion but that belt died in March of 2001 regardless of what the WWE says. It's like them claiming their US title dates back to the 70s. WWE had their own US title back in the 70s. WWE is very big on revisionist history. The whole MITB with D Bryan proves it. Both RVD and Kennedy announced when they were cashing in so Bryan wasn't nearly the first. It is true that WWE seems construe their history alot. Im just going by what the actual title reigns say which have Triple H as the first World Heavyweight Champion in '02
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Post by TurboEddie on Aug 26, 2011 17:12:56 GMT -5
I could see him having one short reign as World Heavyweight Champion, if anything.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Aug 26, 2011 18:11:59 GMT -5
I'm a huge fan of Zeke, but I don't see it happening. He seems to run hot and cold with both the fans and creative.
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Post by machoking on Aug 26, 2011 18:38:28 GMT -5
Until the mid 80s (maybe late 80s), a mixed raced Child was listed as their mothers race on a birth certificate. Therefore Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, IS legally Samoan (not black or mixed) unless he's had his certificate changed.
My sister who was born in '74 is legally listed a Filipino, even though she was raised and always in custody of my white father.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Aug 26, 2011 19:06:38 GMT -5
He's like a turd in trunks.
No thank you.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Aug 26, 2011 23:19:50 GMT -5
. Why couldn't Shelton have good ing mic skills, kid was golden.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 7:52:21 GMT -5
no, he is to 2011 what Ahmed Johnson was to 1996. Crap then, really. I dont see Zeke being champion any time soon, but I wouldnt count it out just yet. Theres something about him that appeals, he just needs to work on his microphone abilities and get a few moves in his set that are more impactful than the 45 scoop slams. Even the Batista treatment (Spinebusters, powerbombs etc) would sharpen him up a little.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 7:55:24 GMT -5
Oh and for gods sake.. Ron Simmons = former WCW Champion The Rock = Samoan Booker T = former WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT Champion. There has never been a black WWE Champion. Enough said. Saying The Rock is Black is like saying The Usos, Rikishi or Umaga are/were black. They are not, they are samoan. Theres a difference.
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Post by wweuniverse47871 on Aug 27, 2011 8:59:22 GMT -5
Well, neither is gonna be WWE Champion on SmackDown, it will be the World Heavyweight Championship if anything... so they wouldn't be the first Black Superstar to win that championship. I can't see Zeke winning the championship, I'd have to see what he does on SmackDown though. He could easily be pushed to it though. Mark Henry is deserving of being the champion, I don't think they will take the belt off Orton though. Booker T held the World Heavyweight Championship.... Sorry if someone mentioned that, I just can't be bothered reading to pages to see if anyone said it
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Post by terraryzing on Aug 27, 2011 9:58:29 GMT -5
I really doubt it, the way he's been booked has not been good. His last 2 months or so and the IC reign were terrible, and the way they put cody Rhodes over it seemed like a blowoff for the character of Ez. Jackson. Don't be surprised to see him released by the end of the year.
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Post by Nash on Aug 27, 2011 17:36:33 GMT -5
Oh and for gods sake.. Ron Simmons = former WCW Champion The Rock = Samoan Booker T = former WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT Champion. There has never been a black WWE Champion. Enough said. Saying The Rock is Black is like saying The Usos, Rikishi or Umaga are/were black. They are not, they are samoan. Theres a difference. Lol really? Rocky Johnson, HIS FATHER, is BLACK. Is it really that hard to understand? Like seriously?
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Post by The Dude on Aug 27, 2011 17:59:06 GMT -5
I find it odd how people don't consider The Rock black because he's also half Samoan. Whether he's full or half he is still the first wrestler of African American decent to win the WWE Championship.
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Post by DMO™ on Aug 27, 2011 20:43:26 GMT -5
That was recognized as the WCW title though. The first WWE World Heavyweight Champion was Triple H when Bischoff gave it to him. So technically Booker is the first black World Heavyweight Champion. I hate to be 'that' guy, but the first black WCW World Champion was Ron Simmons. DAMN!
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Post by TurboEddie on Aug 29, 2011 10:23:10 GMT -5
The first black WWE Champion is John Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 13:32:31 GMT -5
Oh and for gods sake.. Ron Simmons = former WCW Champion The Rock = Samoan Booker T = former WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT Champion. There has never been a black WWE Champion. Enough said. Saying The Rock is Black is like saying The Usos, Rikishi or Umaga are/were black. They are not, they are samoan. Theres a difference. Lol really? Rocky Johnson, HIS FATHER, is BLACK. Is it really that hard to understand? Like seriously? Yes. But technically speaking, The Rock, black dad or not, is NOT black himself. Yes, he is half black, but he is NOT registered in any way as being the first, second or third black WWF champion. Is it really that hard to understand? Like seriously? Twat.
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Post by wabarrett on Aug 29, 2011 13:38:16 GMT -5
Just to set the record straight, I was the first Black WWE Champion.
Hope that clears everything up.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Aug 29, 2011 15:31:08 GMT -5
I hate to be 'that' guy, but the first black WCW World Champion was Ron Simmons. I never said Rock was the first black WCW champion... The poster in the quote under me said Rock was the first World Heavyweight Champion, to which I responded Booker was the first World Heavyweight Champion Yeah, it was a misunderstanding. I'm fully aware that Booker is the first World Heavyweight Champion within WWE and Ron Simmons held it in WCW. Speaking loosely, it is the same title belt and that is why I said that.. but WWE overwrite the history books with most belts that they inherit from other organisations. As for the guy who tried to post in caps and bold font.. come on man. Really? Does attempting to win an argument over a man's skin colour give you that much satisfaction?
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