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Post by AlexWestCollects on Aug 25, 2011 20:48:45 GMT -5
First off let me say I am a TNA fan and I love their talent. They are company that is all about wrestling but they have no idea what they are doing.
Impact is so hard to watch, with the obvious crowd reactions clearly edited in. The crowd is so uninterested, I mean come on every1 is sitting there not reacting and you hear this dubbed sound of the crowd cheering. I hate the whole "creative" and different approach they even take with their backstage crap. I feel like a peeping tom watching Hogan talk to Flair threw the shades.
For so long all we heard is TNA has potential and I feel we've been saying that for 5 yrs. The stories are so hard to follow especially with their constantly changing roster. They need to stop renting wrestlers and keep them around longer. Look at EV2, Chyna, Matt Hardy, Scott Hall, Xpac, I can go on and on. How many of those guys stayed there longer than 2 months?
I personally think TNA was at it's peak with the EV2 story and has slowly declined since last years Bound For Glory. Since then it is hard to watch. I feel like D-Vons kids get more air time than some wrestlers. I honestly think they should get rid of Bischoff and all the old legends and go with youth. And for crying out loud take the show on the road so real fans can make the product seem more interesting.
Does any1 else feel the same?
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Post by deskjet on Aug 25, 2011 20:58:42 GMT -5
tna has suffered the same problem for years/ Their's no leadership. When they get someone in thee that says this is how we're gonna run the company, if you dont like it, get the out, then they'll be good. Never thought I'd say this, but they're worse then WCW
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Aug 25, 2011 21:06:33 GMT -5
tna has suffered the same problem for years/ Their's no leadership. When they get someone in thee that says this is how we're gonna run the company, if you dont like it, get the out, then they'll be good. Never thought I'd say this, but they're worse then WCW Oh man. Wcw at it's worst is better than this crap. The obvious diff is wcw had almost unlimited funds. I think Dixie is the problem. Have a guy like Mark Cuban buy TNA. I bet within a yr it will be huge.
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Post by deskjet on Aug 25, 2011 21:14:13 GMT -5
tna has suffered the same problem for years/ Their's no leadership. When they get someone in thee that says this is how we're gonna run the company, if you dont like it, get the out, then they'll be good. Never thought I'd say this, but they're worse then WCW Oh man. Wcw at it's worst is better than this crap. The obvious diff is wcw had almost unlimited funds. I think Dixie is the problem. Have a guy like Mark Cuban buy TNA. I bet within a yr it will be huge. If they woulda hired heyman instead of Hogan and Dickoff, they'd be sniffin 2.0's by now
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Aug 25, 2011 21:17:40 GMT -5
Oh man. Wcw at it's worst is better than this crap. The obvious diff is wcw had almost unlimited funds. I think Dixie is the problem. Have a guy like Mark Cuban buy TNA. I bet within a yr it will be huge. If they woulda hired heyman instead of Hogan and Dickoff, they'd be sniffin 2.0's by now As big as a Hogan fan I am I agree. I think Hogan can still be a decent on air talent but not run the company. But Bischoff needs to go.
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Post by fearofdread on Aug 25, 2011 21:52:43 GMT -5
I don't understand the Heyman love. His company failed to get ratings too. In fact, WCW under Bischoff was stronger than wcw under Russo and ECW under Heyman, ratings wise.
So, one could argue that ratings don't reflect a good show.
All that said, I enjoy the slightly more complicated storytelling. I like the different take on the backstage cameras. I always hate when the cameras move in wrestling backstage, but the wrestlers don't acknowledge the cameramen. I like the fly on the wall stuff too.
The show has issues, but so does a lot of the Wwe stuff. One thing I will say, I don't think TNA really wants to be the same as wwe. In some way I think they enjoy the more intimate vibe. They probably want to be bigger and better, but being the biggest is a lot more work for less reward sometimes.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 25, 2011 21:53:26 GMT -5
Oh man. Wcw at it's worst is better than this crap. The obvious diff is wcw had almost unlimited funds. I think Dixie is the problem. Have a guy like Mark Cuban buy TNA. I bet within a yr it will be huge. If they woulda hired heyman instead of Hogan and Dickoff, they'd be sniffin 2.0's by now And they probably would have a bunch of guys who didnt get paid. I think Heyman gets WAY too much credit. He's good. But people look at him like the greatest booker of all time.
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Post by Word™ on Aug 25, 2011 22:23:57 GMT -5
If they woulda hired heyman instead of Hogan and Dickoff, they'd be sniffin 2.0's by now And they probably would have a bunch of guys who didnt get paid. I think Heyman gets WAY too much credit. He's good. But people look at him like the greatest booker of all time. They've already had talent not get paid.. And Heyman may not be the GREATEST booker of all time.. He's still miles beyond Hogan and Bischoff..
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 25, 2011 22:54:53 GMT -5
How was EV 2.0 the "peak" of TNA and what is this "TNA's all about wrestling" non-sense? I had the in-ring time comparisons for Impact against every WWE show in my Sig for 11 weeks and Impact beat every WWE show once and RAW only three or four times.
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Post by Adam on Aug 25, 2011 23:23:43 GMT -5
I personally think TNA was at it's peak with the EV2 story and has slowly declined since last years Bound For Glory. Hardly their peak.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Aug 26, 2011 0:12:09 GMT -5
I personally think TNA was at it's peak with the EV2 story and has slowly declined since last years Bound For Glory. Hardly their peak. Peaking within the Hogan/Bischoff Era, not all time
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Post by deskjet on Aug 26, 2011 4:26:38 GMT -5
If they woulda hired heyman instead of Hogan and Dickoff, they'd be sniffin 2.0's by now And they probably would have a bunch of guys who didnt get paid. I think Heyman gets WAY too much credit. He's good. But people look at him like the greatest booker of all time. Him booking the show would have nothing to do with who does or does not get paid directly. That should be handled by people that know finances, clearly something Heyman did not. He may not be the greatest booker of all time, but he sure as hell couldn't do any worse then what is currently in place at TNA. At least Heyman had a long term strategy for the company with the idea of getting behind the younger talent and making them the focal point of the company. You can't expect the longevity of your company to be preserved with your younger talent constantly being overshadowed by 50 and 60 year old men, or guys that can no longer go in the ring. People can say all they want about Nash being in WWE but the fact is, he's one aspect of the show, not the whole show like TNA woulda emphasized. There in lies the glaring difference in the two companies prospective future and current success of their product. I don't understand the Heyman love. His company failed to get ratings too. In fact, WCW under Bischoff was stronger than wcw under Russo and ECW under Heyman, ratings wise. So, one could argue that ratings don't reflect a good show. All that said, I enjoy the slightly more complicated storytelling. I like the different take on the backstage cameras. I always hate when the cameras move in wrestling backstage, but the wrestlers don't acknowledge the cameramen. I like the fly on the wall stuff too. The show has issues, but so does a lot of the Wwe stuff. One thing I will say, I don't think TNA really wants to be the same as wwe. In some way I think they enjoy the more intimate vibe. They probably want to be bigger and better, but being the biggest is a lot more work for less reward sometimes. Bischoff gets a lot of credit for falling into something that clicked. the NWO is his only calling card. Since being in TNA, what exactly has he contributed? Now, one can say he's not involved in day to day bookings, but best believe if Hogan has any pull, bischoff's not too far behind. He's done more to promote his own style of production, which,is at best, hit or miss, then to actually show that anything he's associated with can revolutionize a company. He got lucky, he had an open checkbook to play with, and ran with it. It's pretty evident today, the man isn't as influential as he's been given credit for. And there's nothing intimate about TNA. Listen to some audio or read somethin from recently released wrestlers..ie..amazing red, Gen me, mick foley. This company is about pushing the people they want and the hell with anyone else. The only people benefiting from the light work load are the ones getting a nice pay check up front.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 26, 2011 6:44:13 GMT -5
It's stupid, but it's still entertaining to me.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 26, 2011 7:04:03 GMT -5
First off let me say I am a TNA fan and I love their talent. They are company that is all about wrestling but they have no idea what they are doing. Impact is so hard to watch, with the obvious crowd reactions clearly edited in. The crowd is so uninterested, I mean come on every1 is sitting there not reacting and you hear this dubbed sound of the crowd cheering. I hate the whole "creative" and different approach they even take with their backstage crap. I feel like a peeping tom watching Hogan talk to Flair threw the shades. For so long all we heard is TNA has potential and I feel we've been saying that for 5 yrs. The stories are so hard to follow especially with their constantly changing roster. They need to stop renting wrestlers and keep them around longer. Look at EV2, Chyna, Matt Hardy, Scott Hall, Xpac, I can go on and on. How many of those guys stayed there longer than 2 months? I personally think TNA was at it's peak with the EV2 story and has slowly declined since last years Bound For Glory. Since then it is hard to watch. I feel like D-Vons kids get more air time than some wrestlers. I honestly think they should get rid of Bischoff and all the old legends and go with youth. And for crying out loud take the show on the road so real fans can make the product seem more interesting. Does any1 else feel the same? It's more realistic that way than the fake way WWE does it. Take it this way: would you want a camera following you around airing your secrets/personal business? In the WWE they completely ignore the cameras are there yet it's so obvious. In TNA they acknowledge the cameras when they can see them and when the can't it seems more real.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Aug 26, 2011 7:21:57 GMT -5
They need to bring Heyman in as President.
Having him in control of the general direction of the product would transform it. As long as he isn't allowed near any of the money.
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Post by fearofdread on Aug 26, 2011 15:48:16 GMT -5
And they probably would have a bunch of guys who didnt get paid. I think Heyman gets WAY too much credit. He's good. But people look at him like the greatest booker of all time. Him booking the show would have nothing to do with who does or does not get paid directly. That should be handled by people that know finances, clearly something Heyman did not. He may not be the greatest booker of all time, but he sure as hell couldn't do any worse then what is currently in place at TNA. At least Heyman had a long term strategy for the company with the idea of getting behind the younger talent and making them the focal point of the company. You can't expect the longevity of your company to be preserved with your younger talent constantly being overshadowed by 50 and 60 year old men, or guys that can no longer go in the ring. People can say all they want about Nash being in WWE but the fact is, he's one aspect of the show, not the whole show like TNA woulda emphasized. There in lies the glaring difference in the two companies prospective future and current success of their product. I don't understand the Heyman love. His company failed to get ratings too. In fact, WCW under Bischoff was stronger than wcw under Russo and ECW under Heyman, ratings wise. So, one could argue that ratings don't reflect a good show. All that said, I enjoy the slightly more complicated storytelling. I like the different take on the backstage cameras. I always hate when the cameras move in wrestling backstage, but the wrestlers don't acknowledge the cameramen. I like the fly on the wall stuff too. The show has issues, but so does a lot of the Wwe stuff. One thing I will say, I don't think TNA really wants to be the same as wwe. In some way I think they enjoy the more intimate vibe. They probably want to be bigger and better, but being the biggest is a lot more work for less reward sometimes. Bischoff gets a lot of credit for falling into something that clicked. the NWO is his only calling card. Since being in TNA, what exactly has he contributed? Now, one can say he's not involved in day to day bookings, but best believe if Hogan has any pull, bischoff's not too far behind. He's done more to promote his own style of production, which,is at best, hit or miss, then to actually show that anything he's associated with can revolutionize a company. He got lucky, he had an open checkbook to play with, and ran with it. It's pretty evident today, the man isn't as influential as he's been given credit for. And there's nothing intimate about TNA. Listen to some audio or read somethin from recently released wrestlers..ie..amazing red, Gen me, mick foley. This company is about pushing the people they want and the hell with anyone else. The only people benefiting from the light work load are the ones getting a nice pay check up front. Some solid points, but I think you misunderstand my use of the word, intimate. I mean the crowd and TV audience in relation to the action and story. Being in a venue of 10,000 is awesome, but the guy sitting in the rafters may or may not be getting the most for his money. I like that the TV crew is part of the show, in some way, not just a moving prop that people pretend isn't there. I also suspect that your opinion of Bischoff is correct. He created an angle and then drove it into the ground with the NWO. It got bigger than him and his company and it ended up getting weak and stale. He did, however, create the concept of a US cruiserweight division and making that mandatory watching on his shows. One of the universal praises that WCW gets is the introduction to the US audience of the high flying, quick and nearly out of control Cruiserweight division. So many of the stars that made it after started in that division, we must give him credit for putting those guys on TV and running with it, at least for a while. Also, he made Goldberg. Like him or hate him, Goldberg was the real deal. He was, for a time, as big or bigger than the Rock and Austin in the WWF and bigger than Hogan in WCW. Whether he deserved it....?
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Post by deskjet on Aug 26, 2011 17:26:32 GMT -5
Him booking the show would have nothing to do with who does or does not get paid directly. That should be handled by people that know finances, clearly something Heyman did not. He may not be the greatest booker of all time, but he sure as hell couldn't do any worse then what is currently in place at TNA. At least Heyman had a long term strategy for the company with the idea of getting behind the younger talent and making them the focal point of the company. You can't expect the longevity of your company to be preserved with your younger talent constantly being overshadowed by 50 and 60 year old men, or guys that can no longer go in the ring. People can say all they want about Nash being in WWE but the fact is, he's one aspect of the show, not the whole show like TNA woulda emphasized. There in lies the glaring difference in the two companies prospective future and current success of their product. Bischoff gets a lot of credit for falling into something that clicked. the NWO is his only calling card. Since being in TNA, what exactly has he contributed? Now, one can say he's not involved in day to day bookings, but best believe if Hogan has any pull, bischoff's not too far behind. He's done more to promote his own style of production, which,is at best, hit or miss, then to actually show that anything he's associated with can revolutionize a company. He got lucky, he had an open checkbook to play with, and ran with it. It's pretty evident today, the man isn't as influential as he's been given credit for. And there's nothing intimate about TNA. Listen to some audio or read somethin from recently released wrestlers..ie..amazing red, Gen me, mick foley. This company is about pushing the people they want and the hell with anyone else. The only people benefiting from the light work load are the ones getting a nice pay check up front. Some solid points, but I think you misunderstand my use of the word, intimate. I mean the crowd and TV audience in relation to the action and story. Being in a venue of 10,000 is awesome, but the guy sitting in the rafters may or may not be getting the most for his money. I like that the TV crew is part of the show, in some way, not just a moving prop that people pretend isn't there. I also suspect that your opinion of Bischoff is correct. He created an angle and then drove it into the ground with the NWO. It got bigger than him and his company and it ended up getting weak and stale. He did, however, create the concept of a US cruiserweight division and making that mandatory watching on his shows. One of the universal praises that WCW gets is the introduction to the US audience of the high flying, quick and nearly out of control Cruiserweight division. So many of the stars that made it after started in that division, we must give him credit for putting those guys on TV and running with it, at least for a while. Also, he made Goldberg. Like him or hate him, Goldberg was the real deal. He was, for a time, as big or bigger than the Rock and Austin in the WWF and bigger than Hogan in WCW. Whether he deserved it....? I understood what you meant by intimate, i just twisted the reference point a different way While bischoff may have given the US exposure to the cruiserweights, it was by no means his creaation, neither was the concept of the Nwo for that matter. He's taken credit for what other people have done, and he got away with it. Can't blame the guy for that, cause it made him money. But, now he's been exposed. And I'm sorry, Goldberg was not even in the same league as Rock/Stone cold. He was/is vanilla and yea got popular becasue of his streak but outside of that, did nothing to cement his legacy as one of the all time greats. He was at the right place at the right time, when the gimmick died, so did his star power...cant really say the same for Rock/Stone cold. Rock/stone cold are as much a product of good character development in WWF as Goldberg is bad character development in WCW. A thematic problem with Bischoff, if it's not someone else creation, he's pretty much clueless. At least Russo has some attempt at creativity.
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Post by jfinnomore on Aug 26, 2011 17:54:40 GMT -5
If they woulda hired heyman instead of Hogan and Dickoff, they'd be sniffin 2.0's by now And they probably would have a bunch of guys who didnt get paid. I think Heyman gets WAY too much credit. He's good. But people look at him like the greatest booker of all time. Heyman was a great booker, he was just terrible with the actual books, in TNA he wouldn't be dealing with that aspect.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 26, 2011 17:55:09 GMT -5
I agree Heyman gets way too much credit considering he ran a mediocre company. But I think even he'd be a vast improvement over what they have now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 18:22:54 GMT -5
First off let me say I am a TNA fan and I love their talent. They are company that is all about wrestling but they have no idea what they are doing. Impact is so hard to watch, with the obvious crowd reactions clearly edited in. The crowd is so uninterested, I mean come on every1 is sitting there not reacting and you hear this dubbed sound of the crowd cheering. I hate the whole "creative" and different approach they even take with their backstage crap. I feel like a peeping tom watching Hogan talk to Flair threw the shades. For so long all we heard is TNA has potential and I feel we've been saying that for 5 yrs. The stories are so hard to follow especially with their constantly changing roster. They need to stop renting wrestlers and keep them around longer. Look at EV2, Chyna, Matt Hardy, Scott Hall, Xpac, I can go on and on. How many of those guys stayed there longer than 2 months? I personally think TNA was at it's peak with the EV2 story and has slowly declined since last years Bound For Glory. Since then it is hard to watch. I feel like D-Vons kids get more air time than some wrestlers. I honestly think they should get rid of Bischoff and all the old legends and go with youth. And for crying out loud take the show on the road so real fans can make the product seem more interesting. Does any1 else feel the same?I read this, and just thought.. 'Yes'. In all honesty I feel the same, I watch TNA every week, but for me its hard to watch for the exact same reasons.
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