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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Dec 10, 2011 22:28:45 GMT -5
That RG3 kid a Heisman contender? good call, man. really glad rg3 won it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2011 22:32:41 GMT -5
For the first time in a while, I truly believe that the Heisman went to the best player in college football. RG3 is an animal, and the only guy that was even remotely close to playing at his level (in my opinion) was Montee Ball, who I feel didn't get the credit he deserved. All the finalists are spectacular players though, no doubt about it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 10, 2011 22:40:40 GMT -5
Ill personally never understand the Heisman. The idea of it is its awarded to the "best player in football".....So why is the NFL Draft #1 Pick (usually the best player) very rarely the Heisman Winner?? I mean, Griffin deserved it, he had the stats this year but just like Woodson/Manning, Walker/Elway, Rozier/Young, Ingram/Gerhart (OK, I kid on that one)...The best player will end up being the runner up. Just doesnt make sense to me. I think its one reason a lot of people dont take the trophy serious.
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Post by trojanpridev on Dec 10, 2011 22:46:58 GMT -5
That RG3 kid a Heisman contender? good call, man. really glad rg3 won it You know who else called it? Kirk Herbstreit. I remember sitting in my dorm room, watching the college football previews, and it came to the question: Dark horse Heisman candidate? He answered Robert Griffin the Third, QB from Baylor. Keep in mind, this was before that opening game of the season where he just dominated and scored like 5 tds. I still cannot believe that he called that. I wish I had tape of it because I remember it so well. But a well deserved winner.
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Post by BOOM! #WDE on Dec 10, 2011 23:54:01 GMT -5
Congrats to RG3. Well deserved winner. Wish I would have watched the ceremony. I heard he was very well-spoken. C'mon bowl season!
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Post by Jamal on Dec 11, 2011 0:03:32 GMT -5
I wonder if he stays in school...
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 11, 2011 0:06:19 GMT -5
I wonder if he stays in school... I think he does. Pro QB prospects, Luck, Barkley (who's assumed to go), Jones would all go ahead of him. He, Moore, Keenum would all be in the second group IMO. I think if he stays next years class isnt a top heavy.
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Post by trojanpridev on Dec 11, 2011 2:52:21 GMT -5
I wonder if he stays in school... I think he does. Pro QB prospects, Luck, Barkley (who's assumed to go), Jones would all go ahead of him. He, Moore, Keenum would all be in the second group IMO. I think if he stays next years class isnt a top heavy. Dead wrong on that. Moore and Keenum will be lucky to get picked in the third round. Keenum could go completely undrafted with the fact that he is a system qb with severe injury history. Kellen Moore had a hot start to the season but he's been virtually un heard of since Boise lost. Jones is terrible. I hate these draft experts, because they look for these "tools" like throwing motion, and how tall they are, and stupid crap that doesn't measure what a player is. Todd McShay should not ever be considered a draft "expert." He is hands down the worst person on any ESPN program, besides Colin Cowherd, but that is another issue. These experts are saying they haven't seen a qb like this since Peyton Manning. I never saw peyton manning coming out because I was a young boy, but I saw JaMarcus Russel. And I saw and heard Mel Kiper say he could be as good as John Elway and that within 2 years he would be a top 5 qb in the league. Yet they never seem to mention the people they were wrong on. Kiper and McShay try to backtrack and say "Well I saw this and said this about him and saw it coming blah blah blah." No, you didn't. Hey Mel, go look at the ing youtube video at the 2007 draft. Morons. It's like Blaine Gabbert last year. McShay and Kiper saying he has all these tools that will translate to the nfl. HE COULDN'T PLAY WELL IN COLLEGE HOW IS HE GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN MAGICALLY TRANSFORM INTO A GREAT QB?! Seriously, big 12 defenses, a system where undrafted Chase Daniels was a heisman finalist, and he throws a 16:9 td:int ratio? And he is the most safe qb in that draft class?! And look at how horrendous he has played this year. Sorry Jaguars fans, it isn't getting any better. Landry Jones will probably go in the first round. And I have said this previously, I feel sorry for the team that takes Landry Jones in the first round. They'll look at his 500 yard game and all his "tools" and "technique" and say he is a franchise qb. All I have seen from Landry Jones is a lack of execution and bad decision making. He is an int machine. If Barkley decides to come out, which I don't believe he will, but if he does this will be an excellent qb class. I strongly believe in Luck, Griffin, and Barkley and think they will all succeed. But most of that was probably incoherent rambling by me which will get a tl;dr. Most of that was my opinion. But you are dead wrong. Griffin has surpassed Jones on almost every single person's draft boards. Which he deserves to, seeing as though he had a 72% completion percentage. He is definitely not in the second tier. If he leaves, he's looking at a top 10 if not top 5 spot depending on who picks where. I love Luck, and it's not hard to see the Peyton comparisons, but I believe Griffin will be up there with Luck as far as success in the pros goes. I see him as a more accurate, slightly less speedy Mike Vick. Great downfield accuracy and the ability to rifle it in there and have some touch on it. I'll be honest, ever since I have followed the draft, which started in 2006, I have been right on quite a few busts/steals, and wrong on some. I'm not afraid to admit when I am wrong. One bold prediction was that Sam Bradford would be bad. And last year that certainly shut me up, but his injury issues have crept back up again. JaMarcus was another one I got right. I know how easy it is to sit here and say I was right about Jamarcus i called it blah blah blah, but I have no reason to lie. I called it. I called Lesean Mccoy being a beast, Desean Jackson going behind donnie avery intellectually- disabled, Knowshon being a bust, and I'd say one of my best calls, "sure thing" Aaron Curry out of Wake Forrest being the safest pick in the draft, then getting traded for a fourth round pick. But I have also been wrong in the cases Taylor Mays, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Jason Smith and Joe Flacco. IDK, I just love the draft and I am tired out of my mind and wanted to go on an unreadable, filled with plentiful errors, tangent. Sorry. Go jets! Wait, wrong thread, go trojans! When's our bowl game again? We're in a bcs bowl right? Oh wait.... At least clemson is in a bcs bowl and toledo is in a bowl despite our dumb ass coach leaving for a horrible school in Illinois. have fun losing to osu, nebraska, michigan and wisconsin every year, you loser.
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Post by Jamal on Dec 11, 2011 9:38:51 GMT -5
I wonder if he stays in school... I think he does. Pro QB prospects, Luck, Barkley (who's assumed to go), Jones would all go ahead of him. He, Moore, Keenum would all be in the second group IMO. I think if he stays next years class isnt a top heavy. lulz @ Jones going ahead of Griffin. If Barkley doesn't come out, Griffin is easily the 2nd best QB in the class. If Barkley and Griffin both come out, it really is a toss-up on who goes first. Bottom line is if Luck, Griffin, and Barkley all come out, this could be the best QB class since that Big Ben/Eli/Rivers draft.
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Dec 11, 2011 11:58:51 GMT -5
Ill personally never understand the Heisman. The idea of it is its awarded to the "best player in football".....So why is the NFL Draft #1 Pick (usually the best player) very rarely the Heisman Winner?? I mean, Griffin deserved it, he had the stats this year but just like Woodson/Manning, Walker/Elway, Rozier/Young, Ingram/Gerhart (OK, I kid on that one)...The best player will end up being the runner up. Just doesnt make sense to me. I think its one reason a lot of people dont take the trophy serious. The Heisman awards who was most valuable to his team and who was the best player in NCAA Football that year. RG3 falls under both of those categories. Luck may be the 1st overall pick, and one of the best QB prospects ever, but he was not the best player this year. RG3 threw for more yards and TD's than him, had less INT's, and had a higher completion %. I understand why you are upset, you are a Stanford fan after all. But the Heisman shouldn't go to the projected #1, it should go to who played the best.
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Post by trojanpridev on Dec 11, 2011 13:06:09 GMT -5
I think he does. Pro QB prospects, Luck, Barkley (who's assumed to go), Jones would all go ahead of him. He, Moore, Keenum would all be in the second group IMO. I think if he stays next years class isnt a top heavy. lulz @ Jones going ahead of Griffin. If Barkley doesn't come out, Griffin is easily the 2nd best QB in the class. If Barkley and Griffin both come out, it really is a toss-up on who goes first. Bottom line is if Luck, Griffin, and Barkley all come out, this could be the best QB class since that Big Ben/Eli/Rivers draft. Spot on, dude. Jones just is not a very good qb. Even Oklahoma fans will tell you that. Sure, his stats look awesome, but you watch him play and it is just uninspired.
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Post by trojanpridev on Dec 11, 2011 13:09:01 GMT -5
Did anybody watching last night get a little annoyed/upset at the fact that immediately after RG3 won, they started talking to Luck? Seriously ESPN? The questions were like "How does it feel to lose to Robert Griffin blah blah blah." Mainly just to get him some air time. I felt bad for Luck, and it was pretty classless for ESPN to do that to Griffin on the biggest night of his life(for now anyway). Andrew Luck will have his night on April 26.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 11, 2011 18:40:10 GMT -5
Ill personally never understand the Heisman. The idea of it is its awarded to the "best player in football".....So why is the NFL Draft #1 Pick (usually the best player) very rarely the Heisman Winner?? I mean, Griffin deserved it, he had the stats this year but just like Woodson/Manning, Walker/Elway, Rozier/Young, Ingram/Gerhart (OK, I kid on that one)...The best player will end up being the runner up. Just doesnt make sense to me. I think its one reason a lot of people dont take the trophy serious. The Heisman awards who was most valuable to his team and who was the best player in NCAA Football that year. RG3 falls under both of those categories. Luck may be the 1st overall pick, and one of the best QB prospects ever, but he was not the best player this year. RG3 threw for more yards and TD's than him, had less INT's, and had a higher completion %. I understand why you are upset, you are a Stanford fan after all. But the Heisman shouldn't go to the projected #1, it should go to who played the best. Oh Im not upset at all...I dont want it to seem that way. Griffin had the stats, he deserved it. Its just hypothetically, the first pick in the draft is "usually" the best player out of college yet it never coincides with the Heisman Winner...Thats all I meant. As for the QBs, I still stand behind Luck, Barkley, Jones, Griffin, Moore, Keenum will be the order in "success" each will have in the NFL.
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Dec 17, 2011 21:24:10 GMT -5
Ohio/Utah St. game was great.
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Dec 18, 2011 0:54:56 GMT -5
DA CAJUNS
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Post by eljefe on Dec 20, 2011 21:44:29 GMT -5
As I expected, FIU-Marshall is close. 10-10 Half.
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Dec 30, 2011 0:21:18 GMT -5
The Baylor/Washington game is insane.
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Dec 30, 2011 0:40:16 GMT -5
wow i thought baylor was going to get flagged with a late hit on that last play where washington went for it on 4th down
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Post by eljefe on Dec 30, 2011 0:58:53 GMT -5
I will always remember the Alamo....Bowl
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Post by SuperTiger on Jan 1, 2012 21:47:50 GMT -5
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