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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Sept 3, 2011 19:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 3, 2011 20:23:41 GMT -5
Once again, you're making an extraordinary claim. You need more proof than just unverifiable first hand accounts. The testimony you've referenced wouldn't even hold up in a court of law, but you're claiming it as rock solid proof. The government is horrible at covering things up. Horrible. Look at Watergate. Huge scandal that the feds have every interest in the world in covering up, but they failed. Look at Clinton and Lewinsky. Feds had every interest in the world in covering that up too and failed. The feds are terrible at covering things up. The main reason is that these conspiracies you see would have to involve thousands if not tens of thousands of people over 4-5 decades. Not a single one of them has ever came forward with any evidence at all? Have we verified that A) they did work there and b) that their evidence is true? We have to verify both you know. I used to work at the library. I could claim that all the books there are stolen from publishers. The former claim (I worked at the library) is verifiable. The latter claim (books are stolen) is not. It's my word vs all the documentation the library can provide. My word is not good enough. I've got to have facts to back up my story. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 3, 2011 20:53:11 GMT -5
So former Government workers & Area 51 employees are unverifiable. Interesting. Since when would tens of thousands of people have to be involved with documented files? Pretty sure only a few people would have to handle that. Have we verified that A) they did work there and b) that their evidence is true? We have to verify both you know. I used to work at the library. I could claim that all the books there are stolen from publishers. The former claim (I worked at the library) is verifiable. The latter claim (books are stolen) is not. It's my word vs all the documentation the library can provide. My word is not good enough. I've got to have facts to back up my story. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 21:01:03 GMT -5
I can't believe some people really think we're the only one's in this endless universe. I mean I am not alien hunter but come on.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 3, 2011 21:27:22 GMT -5
I can't believe some people really think we're the only one's in this endless universe. I mean I am not alien hunter but come on. Big jump from saying we're not alone to saying that aliens are here on Earth and the governments of the world are colluding together to cover it up. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 3, 2011 21:31:39 GMT -5
Have we verified that A) they did work there and b) that their evidence is true? We have to verify both you know. I used to work at the library. I could claim that all the books there are stolen from publishers. The former claim (I worked at the library) is verifiable. The latter claim (books are stolen) is not. It's my word vs all the documentation the library can provide. My word is not good enough. I've got to have facts to back up my story. We have to verify the entire story before accepting it as any sort of evidence. Bob Lazar is a perfect example. He claims he worked at Area 51 and worked there on reverse engineering the propulsion mechanism of some downed flying saucers. Great story. Problem is, there is no evidence he ever worked at Groom Lake. Furthermore, there is no evidence that he reverse engineered anything. You've got to verify everything about the story if you're going to claim it as rock solid proof. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 21:34:25 GMT -5
I can't believe some people really think we're the only one's in this endless universe. I mean I am not alien hunter but come on. Big jump from saying we're not alone to saying that aliens are here on Earth and the governments of the world are colluding together to cover it up. What's that supposed to mean? -_- I'm not going to not post my thoughts on this just because it's the 4th page. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 3, 2011 21:38:55 GMT -5
Big jump from saying we're not alone to saying that aliens are here on Earth and the governments of the world are colluding together to cover it up. What's that supposed to mean? -_- I'm not going to not post my thoughts on this just because it's the 4th page. It means what it means. Saying there is life somewhere out there in the universe is one thing. Saying that life is sentient, has developed interstellar space travel and came here is another thing. Saying that life got here, met some sort of mishap and and then this was covered up is another thing. Saying that the governments of the world who are openly hostile with us are secretly colluding with us to cover this up is a different thing altogether. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2011 21:43:11 GMT -5
Oh my bad I guess I should have thought about that a little more.
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 3, 2011 21:44:23 GMT -5
So wouldn't it be unnecessary to claim that it's 100% unverifiable when there are some points that could be verified. The only problem they would have would be proving that their are flying saucers being worked on or certain things being tested etc, seeing how the base wouldn't allow any of their information to be released anyways. We have to verify the entire story before accepting it as any sort of evidence. Bob Lazar is a perfect example. He claims he worked at Area 51 and worked there on reverse engineering the propulsion mechanism of some downed flying saucers. Great story. Problem is, there is no evidence he ever worked at Groom Lake. Furthermore, there is no evidence that he reverse engineered anything. You've got to verify everything about the story if you're going to claim it as rock solid proof. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 3, 2011 21:48:52 GMT -5
We have to verify the entire story before accepting it as any sort of evidence. Bob Lazar is a perfect example. He claims he worked at Area 51 and worked there on reverse engineering the propulsion mechanism of some downed flying saucers. Great story. Problem is, there is no evidence he ever worked at Groom Lake. Furthermore, there is no evidence that he reverse engineered anything. You've got to verify everything about the story if you're going to claim it as rock solid proof. Doesn't mean what they're claiming is false at all. Just means that what they're claiming is unverifiable. Unverifiable evidence means nothing. It wouldn't hold up in court at all. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 3, 2011 21:57:44 GMT -5
How exactly do you think Governments/Area 51 would approve of letting their information out to public just because a former employee claims he worked there? They wouldn't. That doesn't mean that what they're claiming is false. Doesn't mean what they're claiming is false at all. Just means that what they're claiming is unverifiable. Unverifiable evidence means nothing. It wouldn't hold up in court at all.
If that's why the military bases aren't giving up information is because they know the secrets will be revealed, it does look better on the "former employee" - but they don't care either way since they still have their information, whatever it is, unreleased.
We're increasing our technology every year very quickly, especially with Space travel, so hopefully we'll come across one of these Earth like Planets soon that's close enough to send something over. |
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Post by facemeat on Sept 3, 2011 22:43:37 GMT -5
Alright, I didn't think I was going to post in here again, but I just have one more thing I'd like to share. To anyone who says that there is no physical evidence, I would have to urge you to look up Dr. Roger Leir. This man has performed or helped perform over a dozen surgeries on alledged abductees, and his findings are at the very least baffling. In each case, he has retrieved small metallic objects from within various parts of their bodies. What makes this so strange, however, is that the objects are encased in a biological membrane that is actually growing from the metal, and cannot be cut with a scalpel. These objects also contain certain very rare metals, including metals proven to be non-terrestrial. In addition, the areas around where these objects were implanted show no inflammation or rejection, and the surrounding nerve endings were somehow attached to the objects. Now, I'm not saying this is irrefutable proof of anything, just that I find it absolutely fascinating.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 4, 2011 9:11:03 GMT -5
Oh my bad I guess I should have thought about that a little more. I'm actually with you on life existing somewhere else out there in the cosmos. Someone pointed out to me the other day though that there is the aspect of time to consider. The universe has been around for billions and billions of years. It's entirely possible that there was sentient life with the ability to travel here several billion years ago, but they never did because there was nothing here but bacteria. Or maybe they did come here, take samples of our bacteria and leave. Either way, there's no evidence and that spacefaring species may have been extinct since our ancestors discovered fire. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 4, 2011 9:26:47 GMT -5
Alright, I didn't think I was going to post in here again, but I just have one more thing I'd like to share. To anyone who says that there is no physical evidence, I would have to urge you to look up Dr. Roger Leir. This man has performed or helped perform over a dozen surgeries on alledged abductees, and his findings are at the very least baffling. In each case, he has retrieved small metallic objects from within various parts of their bodies. What makes this so strange, however, is that the objects are encased in a biological membrane that is actually growing from the metal, and cannot be cut with a scalpel. These objects also contain certain very rare metals, including metals proven to be non-terrestrial. In addition, the areas around where these objects were implanted show no inflammation or rejection, and the surrounding nerve endings were somehow attached to the objects. Now, I'm not saying this is irrefutable proof of anything, just that I find it absolutely fascinating. Have you looked at medical reports and analyses of these objects? I have. The ones that have been examined by doctor's other than Dr Leir have been found to be nothing more than pieces of bone, cysts, etc... They are perfectly normal. Also, Dr. Leir is a podiatrist by trade. He's hardly an expert on anything beyond the human foot (which I'm sure he knows all about). He claims on his site that he's submitted these items to all kinds of labs, but I found no links to any lab reports that were readily available on the site. Again, I want to see the proof. Show us pictures of the implants. Show us the lab reports and medical reports backing up your claim. Instead, his site has two and only two links to two different reports on the same object. They both reveal a metallic composition in the object. Fair enough. The question then remains where was this object found? What chain of custody was followed before it got to the lab? Where are the records documenting it's removal? Once again, we have unverifiable evidence based on the testimony of one man with fantastic claims that we're supposed to believe despite a lack of evidence supporting them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 9:29:35 GMT -5
HD85512b is a good name. Rolls right off your tongue. LOL.interesting piece of news for sure |
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Post by The Assassin on Sept 4, 2011 11:10:37 GMT -5
and just when we thought the galaxy was at peace |
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Post by facemeat on Sept 4, 2011 14:53:50 GMT -5
Alright, I didn't think I was going to post in here again, but I just have one more thing I'd like to share. To anyone who says that there is no physical evidence, I would have to urge you to look up Dr. Roger Leir. This man has performed or helped perform over a dozen surgeries on alledged abductees, and his findings are at the very least baffling. In each case, he has retrieved small metallic objects from within various parts of their bodies. What makes this so strange, however, is that the objects are encased in a biological membrane that is actually growing from the metal, and cannot be cut with a scalpel. These objects also contain certain very rare metals, including metals proven to be non-terrestrial. In addition, the areas around where these objects were implanted show no inflammation or rejection, and the surrounding nerve endings were somehow attached to the objects. Now, I'm not saying this is irrefutable proof of anything, just that I find it absolutely fascinating. Have you looked at medical reports and analyses of these objects? I have. The ones that have been examined by doctor's other than Dr Leir have been found to be nothing more than pieces of bone, cysts, etc... They are perfectly normal. Also, Dr. Leir is a podiatrist by trade. He's hardly an expert on anything beyond the human foot (which I'm sure he knows all about). He claims on his site that he's submitted these items to all kinds of labs, but I found no links to any lab reports that were readily available on the site. Again, I want to see the proof. Show us pictures of the implants. Show us the lab reports and medical reports backing up your claim. Instead, his site has two and only two links to two different reports on the same object. They both reveal a metallic composition in the object. Fair enough. The question then remains where was this object found? What chain of custody was followed before it got to the lab? Where are the records documenting it's removal? Once again, we have unverifiable evidence based on the testimony of one man with fantastic claims that we're supposed to believe despite a lack of evidence supporting them. There is a video on YouTube documenting I believe his first surgery, and the chain of custody that followed. In this video, you can see the small object, where it was removed from, and how it was sent to two separate labs to be tested. I don't know if you just skipped past my last sentence there or what, but as you can tell I'm not 100% sold on the validity of any of this either, just that I thought it was rather interesting and felt that others may find it interesting as well. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 4, 2011 15:05:41 GMT -5
Let's assume for the sake of argument that he did indeed find metal objects in people (a claim which is highly questionable). It's still a huge leap to claim that aliens put them there. There are several other possibilities that are far more plausible and jump immediately to mind.
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Post by facemeat on Sept 4, 2011 15:19:47 GMT -5
Let's assume for the sake of argument that he did indeed find metal objects in people (a claim which is highly questionable). It's still a huge leap to claim that aliens put them there. There are several other possibilities that are far more plausible and jump immediately to mind. If he is to be believed (which he may or may not), certain purported factors of the object and the way it was connected would be impossible to replicate on Earth. So, if he found these objects implanted in people, and if they really have the properties he claims, there really isn't a logical explanation. So, it's really all or nothing here IMO. |
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