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Post by sean™ on Aug 30, 2011 16:57:30 GMT -5
So I keep reading rumors and whatnot about a third fight with Mir. Maybe some speculating about a fight with Big Nog?
Who does everyone else think Brock's next fight should be against? I don't really see much to a 3rd Mir/Lesnar fight simply because of how the last fight ended. Also, neither Mir nor Lesnar has really spoken about it since the fight so the hype wouldn't be the same.
I think the fight with Big Nog makes the most sense. Lesnar, while losing his last fight, was the UFC Champ going into it so it's not like he's falling out of the runnings.
I certainly hope Brock has been working on his hands and getting hit in the face, regardless who he fights.
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Post by hammer on Aug 30, 2011 17:02:57 GMT -5
if big country takes out cro cop, id like to see how lesnars chin can withstand him. wouldnt mind big nog either though.
id assume its gonna be mir under a #1 contendership eliminator though.
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Post by Squatch on Aug 30, 2011 17:35:59 GMT -5
I want to see Big Country and Lesnar fight; If that doesn't happen, then I wouldn't mind Lesnar vs. Big Nog.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 30, 2011 17:50:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Lesnar vs. Schaub.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 30, 2011 18:03:57 GMT -5
I want Lesnar vs. Nogueira.
It's a great match up, it makes perfect sense, and think of the nostalgia factor. It will be similar to Sapp vs. Nog from the PRIDE days, as far as the feeling goes.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 30, 2011 18:20:50 GMT -5
Overeem.
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Post by hammer on Aug 30, 2011 18:37:52 GMT -5
yea, thats a nice choice. i was thinking more on a realistic level, though lesnar/overeem could headline a card with 10 midget fights, and get an ungodly amount of ppv buys.
still... lesnar could barely handle carwins punches, he definitely couldnt handle velasquez, and im not so sure he could handle jds or even nelson. now to throw him in there against overeems strikes? hmm... id pay to see it though.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 30, 2011 19:23:09 GMT -5
yea, thats a nice choice. i was thinking more on a realistic level, though lesnar/overeem could headline a card with 10 midget fights, and get an ungodly amount of ppv buys. still... lesnar could barely handle carwins punches, he definitely couldnt handle velasquez, and im not so sure he could handle jds or even nelson. now to throw him in there against overeems strikes? hmm... id pay to see it though. Now, this is true that it's not really good on UFC's part to let their main draw get beat by a relative no-name (to mainstream UFC fans), but since Junior is already fighting Cain, and Mir PROBABLY has a rematch with Nogueira coming up, I don't really see anyone else who is left. I think they should either do Mir vs. Overeem, Mir vs. Lesnar III, or Lesnar vs. Overeem before the end of the year (that's if Brock is healthy enough). |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 30, 2011 19:55:18 GMT -5
yea, thats a nice choice. i was thinking more on a realistic level, though lesnar/overeem could headline a card with 10 midget fights, and get an ungodly amount of ppv buys. still... lesnar could barely handle carwins punches, he definitely couldnt handle velasquez, and im not so sure he could handle jds or even nelson. now to throw him in there against overeems strikes? hmm... id pay to see it though. Now, this is true that it's not really good on UFC's part to let their main draw get beat by a relative no-name (to mainstream UFC fans), but since Junior is already fighting Cain, and Mir PROBABLY has a rematch with Nogueira coming up, I don't really see anyone else who is left. I think they should either do Mir vs. Overeem, Mir vs. Lesnar III, or Lesnar vs. Overeem before the end of the year (that's if Brock is healthy enough). I think Lesnar vs. Overeem is good for a quick pay day, but horrible as far as long term business goes. I'm not a Lesnar hater or anything, I like the guy and love watching him fight, so there's no bias here. That being said, I've got Overeem smashing him with relative ease. That's a horrible way to bring Brock back, and could easily be a career ender. I think you bring Lesnar back with a Nogueira fight. Save for a few highlights, Big Nog doesn't have the dynamite in his hands that an Overeem has, that a Dos Santos has, etc. Brock's hand are alright, his wrestling is great. Nog's hands are pretty okay, his BJJ is great. I think that fight is pretty evenly match and is great for long term business either way. I don't think Brock puts a beating on Nog that makes people want Nog to retire, and I also don't think Nogueira makes Brock not want to step back into the cage. |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 30, 2011 21:54:22 GMT -5
well said, Valo.
feeding Lesnar to Overeem would be so f***ed up.
I don't like that people are treating Lesnar like a can since losing to Cain. I hope Brock can come back and shut some of these critics up...
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 30, 2011 22:19:27 GMT -5
Not saying he's a can, but the way he literally RUNS away when he gets hit really makes my opinion of him as a fighter diminish.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 30, 2011 22:36:06 GMT -5
well to be fair he Was getting cracked by the hardest hitting guy in the HW division(Carwin) and the most precise HW (cain).
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 31, 2011 2:06:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but he's really the first guy I have ever seen at this level that literally runs from being hit.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 31, 2011 2:24:09 GMT -5
true. I haven't seen anyone run since Kalib Starnes...and before that, Tito Ortiz.
but I think Brock has a decent chin. He needs to get comfortable with getting hit...either that or improve his striking defense. But I know he will fight for the title again...
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Post by SteveHulk on Aug 31, 2011 5:34:57 GMT -5
Not saying he's a can, but the way he literally RUNS away when he gets hit really makes my opinion of him as a fighter diminish. That will only come with time and experience though... he's still only had 7 MMA fights (and one of those was a blow-out). He's always been a wrestler, so going from that world to suddenly being comfortable being punched in the face by the likes of Carwin and Velasquez is a big step. He'll have been out of action for well over a year, and after all his health issues I think they should try and build Brock up again, rather than throwing him in at the deep end with the likes of Cain, Dos Santos, or Overeem. I'd put him in with someone like Schaub or Nelson - or possibly Matt Mitrione or Cheick Kongo... someone with a "name", but who is beatable and he can learn from it at the same time. The fights will sell, whoever he's against, so there's no need to hot-shot him to a title fight straight away. |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 31, 2011 16:14:32 GMT -5
Not saying he's a can, but the way he literally RUNS away when he gets hit really makes my opinion of him as a fighter diminish. Agreed. Me saying Overeem crushes Lesnar doesn't make Lesnar a can, it makes Overeem a destroyer. I think Overeem smashes a lot of guys you give him, not just Brock. While he didn't kill Werdum by any means, he completely negated his best weapon. He pounded Rogers, and say what you will, Rogers is no slouch in my opinion. He throttled Andrei (again, say what you will) and performed very well up until the end against Fedor. Brock needs to fight a guy that, realistically, he has a shot at beating. And the same goes for Nogueira. I think Mintouro gets blitzed by Mir in a rematch, just as Brock would in a fight with Alistair. |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 31, 2011 18:08:40 GMT -5
I guess I am the only one who think Big Nog can beat Mir in a rematch....
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 31, 2011 18:42:56 GMT -5
Very, very possible, I think. Mir uses the exact same combo he used in the first fight in EVERY fight, and Nogueira's head movement against Schaub looked  ing incredible. I think Nog can win the rematch. |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 31, 2011 18:53:46 GMT -5
I just look at Mir as someone who is extremely overrated. He is the heavyweight divisions 'Forrest Griffin'.
His whole career has been a "right place at the right time" kind of thing.
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Post by roddypiper on Aug 31, 2011 19:24:32 GMT -5
Very, very possible, I think. Mir uses the exact same combo he used in the first fight in EVERY fight, and Nogueira's head movement against Schaub looked ing incredible. I think Nog can win the rematch. Yeah, but in the same token Mir can win as well. Don't sell Mir short. My only gripe with Mir is the weight he added in order to stay relevant in the HW divison |
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