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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 9:59:49 GMT -5
firstly this is NOT a "whos better" thread.nor will it become one.
we all often lament the fact that The Road Warriors and Demolition-one of the all time dream matches never happened....
apparently Vinces original plan was to have both teams clash at WM7 for the titles after quite the build...... but several factors intervened.Axs injury,Hart Foundations upswing in popularity,Demolitions decline after the heel turn,Vince making The Nastys the new 1# heel team etc etc.
but there is one we havent discussed and doesnt come up that often.
the fact that both teams TRIED but couldnt work with one another...it was a chronic clash of styles..both teams say this on their respective shoots.
both teams were powerhouses and Eadie says that for the life of them they couldnt map out a match that satisfied everyone.the 6 man thing with Warrior worked fine but apparently when it was just the original 4 it just wouldnt happen.
thoughts?
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 12, 2011 10:22:34 GMT -5
By Fall 1990 Demolition was pretty much done but managed to stick around a little while. They wore masks that conformed to their face like luchadors and that part of the gimmick didn't last long. At Survivor Series 1990 they didn't even enter with their spike vests and masks or to their own music, they came out with Mr. Perfect.
The Wrestlemania loss seems like a slap to them losing to an outside team though Tenryu kept coming back for various PPV appearances. I think the LOD feud should have been kept up with until WM 7 with Demolition losing but in a long, hard fought match.
My tag team WM 7 card would be:
LOD v. Demolition
Power & Glory would cost Rockers the battle royal and their fued would start again.
Barbarian & Haku would sit out, making Gorilla wonder and ask Brain where they were, only to be resting to interfere in the IC title match. Or they could beat Bushwhackers in a quick match.
Bushwhackers v. Orient Express
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 10:54:07 GMT -5
By Fall 1990 Demolition was pretty much done but managed to stick around a little while. They wore masks that conformed to their face like luchadors and that part of the gimmick didn't last long. At Survivor Series 1990 they didn't even enter with their spike vests and masks or to their own music, they came out with Mr. Perfect. well yeah Vince soured on Demolition big time after he fell out with Bill Eadie. Eadie cites the introduction of the masks as one of the biggest reasons he left.I know that didnt take but VInce really wanted it to. as I said in another thread I would have had Demo vs LOD be loser leaves WWF at WM7.it wouldnt have hurt the Savage/Warrior affair IMO. |
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 12, 2011 12:57:35 GMT -5
A loser leaves match would have been a neat idea. I think not only did the Demolition look weak with their loss but I don't think the LOD win over Power & Glory did much to put them over. A final loser leaves match between Demolition and LOD could have given LOD a big boost towards the tag team titles. A last match at WM 7 would have given Smash about six months between his time as Smash and Repo Man. Fans are surely to remember the eagle tattoo between August (when Smash was facing Steamboat) and November (Repo Man's debut). Crush had a lot more time between runs but I can't remember if he was mentioned as a member of Demolition when he returned. If not were fans supposed to think Crush, same size and look aside from face paint, was a totally different person?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 13:05:10 GMT -5
yeah good point.
this is the way I would have set it up.
keep SS90 the same.
RR91:LOD vs Hart Foundation,Demolition intereferes and gets LOD DQd by attacking the Harts.
SNME:LOD attack Smash and Crush outside and cause them to get counted out against the Harts(after Smash has used Fujis cane on Bret or some such)
this leads to an epic brawl that half the changing room has to break up.
all the time in between this both teams ate winning in dominating fashion
WM7 Loser leaves town match.see saw all out brawl.LOD wins by pinning Crush.
ooh yeah.
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Post by Raine on Sept 12, 2011 13:08:34 GMT -5
Ax leaving, the leather masks, & loss of the best entrance theme in wrestling are the main contribution to the downfall of Demolition.
The heel turn didn't help either, I know the Harts grew in popularity in 1990 & LOD were coming in as faces, but Demolition had 3rd largest pop at WM6, the 3 teams should have all been faces to start & Vince should have gauged crowds reaction to them all.
It baffles me to why Vince turned sour on them once he had LOD, Vince has been renowned in recent years for pushing his own creations over other companies.
Also cant understand why the 4 couldn't put a match together, both had worked with Powers of Pain and had decent matches, POP are another similar type of team. We were never going to get 5 star matches.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 13:11:06 GMT -5
The heel turn didn't help either, I know the Harts grew in popularity in 1990 & LOD were coming in as faces, but Demolition had 3rd largest pop at WM6, the 3 teams should have all been faces to start & Vince should have gauged crowds reaction to them all. . honestly I think Demolitions was just as loud as Warriors at WM6.joint second I say.the pop when they won was also insane. |
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Post by Raine on Sept 12, 2011 13:16:45 GMT -5
That was their peak for me at WM6, the "threepeat"
Unbelievable how quick it went down hill just 6 months later.
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Post by @Patriot_Dan_C on Sept 12, 2011 13:18:21 GMT -5
Ax leaving, the leather masks, & loss of the best entrance theme in wrestling are the main contribution to the downfall of Demolition. The heel turn didn't help either, I know the Harts grew in popularity in 1990 & LOD were coming in as faces, but Demolition had 3rd largest pop at WM6, the 3 teams should have all been faces to start & Vince should have gauged crowds reaction to them all. It baffles me to why Vince turned sour on them once he had LOD, Vince has been renowned in recent years for pushing his own creations over other companies. Also cant understand why the 4 couldn't put a match together, both had worked with Powers of Pain and had decent matches, POP are another similar type of team. We were never going to get 5 star matches. Defo best entrance theme of all time!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2011 18:00:54 GMT -5
That was their peak for me at WM6, the "threepeat" Unbelievable how quick it went down hill just 6 months later. sure was......at the time(I was 10)I just couldnt understand what was happening to my faves...... |
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Post by jammer311 on Sept 12, 2011 18:07:23 GMT -5
If you look back at the Demolition vs. Powers Of Pain matches they didn't click too well either. I also believe that the original concept was to have Fuji go face with the POP and Demolition to remain heel (which is why at the end of the S. Series match in 88 you see POP and Fuji play to the crowd) but the fans weren't having it. So instead Demolition became the babyface team.
I know the LOD were over in the WWE, but I think all WWE fans were gonna root for Demolition in the feud. Which I think is why Vince turned them heel and kind of changed up their look and such. Plus, Eadie getting ill didn't help matters. But by 1991 rolled around, Demolition had done all they could do. And having Smash and Crush work together just wasn't the same. You knew the end was there when they jobbed to the two Japanese guys at WM 7 in like under 5 minutes.
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Post by mikey1974 on Sept 12, 2011 18:16:16 GMT -5
i make no secret that Demolition was (and i guess still remains) my favorite Tag Team of all time,and i will even argue from early 1988 to late summer 1990 they were MORE popular than the Road Warriors!
hell,they were so over,even as heel's,that when Vince had Fuji turn on them and join the Powers of Pain, it made then instant face's and MORE over than before,rather than the intended effect of making Fuji a face and getting the POP more over...
to see what happened to them at the end still disgusts me to this day and,honeslty, shows me how,in spite of business, how fickle and vindictive Vince can be sometimes when he's pissed off,what's good for business be damned! you just spent almost 3 full years building these guys up to be your #1,power,nearly-unstoppable team, and they immediately turned into jobbers once they lost the title...it was CRAP!!
and both teams deserved to have that marquee match at WM VII.... the LOD,to fully plant themselves as the new,#1 power team in the WWF by beating the old one...and Demolition,after all the money they made Vince,to go out with a bang rather than losing in a throwaway undercard match to 2 ( in America,anyway) nobodies...
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Post by CMPunkSavior on Sept 13, 2011 2:56:41 GMT -5
I remember Demolition attacking LOD on an episode of SuperStars in the fall of 1990 with Fuji's cane. Even as heels I still loved them as a kid and thought that was a totally awesome moment. They were the only heels I ever liked as a kid to my memory. Attacking the new team and not letting them take their spotlight was pretty cool. I think even losing the belts at SummerSlam was okay, what really killed the potential feud was Survivor Series. After that it was pretty much the end of it as far as I recall and never spoken of again. A shame that it never developed into a true rivalry.
One of the saddest things to me was Demoltions WrestleMania VII match and losing to two guys 99% of the people watching never heard of. Even as a kid I thought that was a bunch of BS. What a difference a year makes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 5:01:06 GMT -5
i make no secret that Demolition was (and i guess still remains) my favorite Tag Team of all time,and i will even argue from early 1988 to late summer 1990 they were MORE popular than the Road Warriors! hell,they were so over,even as heel's,that when Vince had Fuji turn on them and join the Powers of Pain, it made then instant face's and MORE over than before,rather than the intended effect of making Fuji a face and getting the POP more over... to see what happened to them at the end still disgusts me to this day and,honeslty, shows me how,in spite of business, how fickle and vindictive Vince can be sometimes when he's pissed off,what's good for business be damned! you just spent almost 3 full years building these guys up to be your #1,power,nearly-unstoppable team, and they immediately turned into jobbers once they lost the title...it was CRAP!! and both teams deserved to have that marquee match at WM VII.... the LOD,to fully plant themselves as the new,#1 power team in the WWF by beating the old one...and Demolition,after all the money they made Vince,to go out with a bang rather than losing in a throwaway undercard match to 2 ( in America,anyway) nobodies... great post. after afilinmg at attempt #2 to sign The Road Warriords Vince signed the POP to feud with Demolition. Vince was alarmed at the popular reaction they got for cheating to beat Strike Force and in subsequent outings and figured it was the face paint/different look......so he signed POP to be faces to challenge the Vile Ax and Smash....... excpet nobody cared and continued to cheer Demolition while not caring about POP.so Vince puilled the 88 SS switch and created his joint second most popular act. but yeah the in ring stuff with POP wasnt too hot either.....similar styles clashed.in Eadies shoot he says warlord was so overmuscled he could hardly breath at times and found it difficult to time running the ropes etc.he didparaise Barbarian as a great worker-so did Darsow though. |
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Post by jason1980s on Sept 13, 2011 9:25:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure the loser leaves match would be good on WM 7 with Macho/Warrior, it needs no competition. Maybe just a quiet exit from WWF after Demolition losing.
It does surprise me, given what has been said about Vince not paying attention to outside talent how he lets Texas Tornado get over Mr. Perfect, LOD get over Demolition, Tenryu and Kitao get over Demolition and put in outside wrestlers in the mid 1990s Royal Rumbles. Then the announcers wouldn't even know how to put the guy over like Omari and Squat Team at RR 96. With Tenryu and Kitao I think the reason for bringing them in was a tour of Japan for WWF but it all stinks to me that Demolition lost to them.
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Post by nibs92 on Sept 13, 2011 9:41:54 GMT -5
i wonder what would have happened to Demolition if Vince hadn't signed L.O.D.?
as much as it pains me to say they had pretty much run their course by 91.
anyway, on topic, the style clash probably prevented these two teams from producing the great match we all hoped for.
i guess that's the trouble with dream matches they hardly ever live up to expectations.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Sept 13, 2011 11:30:19 GMT -5
hell,they were so over,even as heel's,that when Vince had Fuji turn on them and join the Powers of Pain, it made then instant face's and MORE over than before,rather than the intended effect of making Fuji a face and getting the POP more over... I always thought the reason that backfired had as much to do with Mr. Fuji than with Demolition. Fuji (and foreign heels in general) had such a long-standing history as a devious heel manager that it became a foregone conclusion, in fans' minds, that if Demolition were to fall out with him, Demolition must be the babyfaces. It would have been hard to convince fans in 1988 that Mr. Fuji had turned babyface. Plus, the whole deal with the cane. That's a heel tactic, and Fuji initiated it. Why on earth would you book that sequence of events with the expectation that the perpetrator would end up getting cheered? Regarding LOD vs. Demolition, I had the chance to see this match during its house show run in 1990, during the time when they figured out they had no chemistry. Demolition jobbed clean and the fans didn't react much... mostly because they expected a major battle and it wasn't, and they expected a close match... and it wasn't booked that way. I don't even remember it being that long. |
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Post by Randolph J 'Hurricane' Spencer on Sept 13, 2011 16:13:19 GMT -5
I really wish Demolition was given more credit by WWE. They deserve to be in the WWE Hall of Fame just as much as the LOD, based just on accomplishments within the WWE. A match between the 2 at WM VII would have been huge for the day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 17:56:20 GMT -5
in my mind Demolition deserve to be the next tag team in the HOF.
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Post by Raine on Sept 14, 2011 6:11:16 GMT -5
Are Bill Eadie & Vince McMahon on good speaking terms?
If they are put in do you think Brian Adams should be part of it? I don't think he should as he had some mild successes as Kona/Evil Crush, Convict/NOD Crush, DOA Crush & as himself in Kronik.
Ax & Smash were Demolition for me.
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