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Post by drifter on Sept 12, 2011 21:30:49 GMT -5
Joe doesn't care anymore because he's been in TNA for YEARS without them giving him a credible push. He got his Championship reign years too late. I'd have given up too if I was Joe. Go back to ROH or look for a shot with the WWE. Joe's title win, was a lot like Raven's in TNA. Instead of putting the belt on them, when they were hot, and at their peaks of popularity, they put it off, and off and off, and by the time they finally got it, people didn't care as much anymore, and with that, a horrible reign for both began, with them seeming like secondary players to the main event, instead of the guy that was the man to beat.
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Post by deskjet on Sept 12, 2011 22:19:17 GMT -5
Roode has not been properly built up, and I'm not sure a month is enough to do so. His alienation with Storm and subsequential breakup of beer money should have already been well in the works, solidifying Roode as a legit singles wrestlers, building momentum, reshaping his character and grooming him for the world title picture. Piss poor character development and booking, synonymous with this company, has us where we are now...a wrestler, yanked outta the tag team ranks, known purely for tag team wrestling, vying for a singles run What they did with bully ray they shoulda done with Roode, but then that would suggest TNA actually thinks past 5 minutes to develop programming that embodies consistent and compelling storylines
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Post by 1992 on Sept 12, 2011 22:29:03 GMT -5
Fully expecting Hogan, Jesse Neal, Winter, or Hermie Sadler to walk out with the title.
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Post by King Silva on Sept 12, 2011 22:48:49 GMT -5
I see it happening as well.
Good luck to him.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 12, 2011 23:03:32 GMT -5
Roode is nothing more than a second fiddle type guy. His catch phrase is awful and he has no charisma. Major fail if TNA puts the belt on him. Honestly, I find it to be a joke that he is challenging for the TNA Title at the biggest ppv for the company. With guys like AJ, Daniels, Joe, Morgan, etc. being so much more of a credible challenger, I am pretty dissapointed. I hope Joe takes Roode out now. Joe is as un-entertaining as they come in TNA, he simply doesn't care anymore. They've pushed AJ as the face how many times and its failed. Daniels is almost 40 years old and isnt a credible Main-Eventer. Matt Morgan ing sucks. Time to push a new star, and Bobby Roode is that guy. I find Joe VERY entertaining. I agree, that at times he acts like he doesnt care. Honestly, he really has no other place to go unless he wants to go back to ROH. So he is kind of stuck in a rut. AJ, while not being a very good mic. man, still carries a good TNA fan base, moves merchandise and is seen as a credible TNA Champion. He can wow you in the ring, making up for some of what he lacks on the mic. While, I agree he wouldnt be my top choice.....I find him a MUCH stronger contender than Roode. Daniels being 40 is fairly irrelevant. First, he doesnt look it. Secondly, he can out wrestle half the current roster at 40 and where AJ lacks on the mic. Daniels makes up for. Daniels is a fantastic cross of worker/entertainer. Matt Morgan sucks?! Ummm....not sure what you are watching. Much improved worker. Certainly not as solid or crisp as Roode, but where he makes up for it is in his entertainment value. He has a strong gimmick, great look and a slightly above average mic. rate. In addition, he is a fresh face....new star. Bobby Roode is an excellent second fiddler. Much like Rodney Peete, he makes for one of the best back ups in wrestling today. As a tag team wrestler, he is adequate. As a singles competitor, he needs to latch onto someone else. His work rate in the ring defines missing something. He has very little entertainment value, unless working as his financial heel gimmick. His look is blah at best. To me Roode plays the Arn Anderson role to its finest. World champion material...he is not. Roode is nothing more than a second fiddle type guy. His catch phrase is awful and he has no charisma. Major fail if TNA puts the belt on him. Honestly, I find it to be a joke that he is challenging for the TNA Title at the biggest ppv for the company. With guys like AJ, Daniels, Joe, Morgan, etc. being so much more of a credible challenger, I am pretty dissapointed. I hope Joe takes Roode out now. You're just upset that Jeff isn't challenging for the belt already. ALWAYS has to be some idiot that HAS to ruin a thread. This isnt about Jeff...its about Bobby Roode. Try and stay on topic. Putting the belt on Jeff right now makes ZERO sense. He's been off for how long and is in the middle of this redemption story, which should lead to a battle with Immortal and then we can talk World Title. Roode is nothing more than a second fiddle type guy. His catch phrase is awful and he has no charisma. Major fail if TNA puts the belt on him. Honestly, I find it to be a joke that he is challenging for the TNA Title at the biggest ppv for the company. With guys like AJ, Daniels, Joe, Morgan, etc. being so much more of a credible challenger, I am pretty dissapointed. I hope Joe takes Roode out now. Good thing you're not booking TNA then wrestling mind. It would probably be worse if you were booking it. Why cuz I couldnt please the sheep? Honestly.....b/c of the lack of any real truly defining contender or built up character, I leave the belt on Angle. There is no one on the roster that is positioned to be the face of TNA right now....cept Angle and that is only slightly. Leave it on Angle and immediately begin grooming someone to take the next step. AJ, Daniels, Morgan....whomever.
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Post by drifter on Sept 12, 2011 23:12:56 GMT -5
If Roode wins the title, I could just see Fortune turning on Roode It wouldn't be that simple. Roode would win, then Fortune turns on him. It goes on for maybe two weeks, with it seem Fortune is the heels, only to turn out, that they turned on him, because they found out he was secretly aligning himself with Hogan and Immortal. Then a week later, Roode reveals he was just siding with Immortal to help destroy it from within, and then the following week, he would lose the title back to Angle, after several confusing run ins.
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Post by K5 on Sept 13, 2011 1:44:14 GMT -5
they never added a ing character to daniels. it's just all these weird actions. if they EVER actually developed a character with it's own traits and innuendos that doesn't seem fictitious and painfully forced, they'd succeed.
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Post by deskjet on Sept 13, 2011 9:42:54 GMT -5
If Roode wins the title, I could just see Fortune turning on Roode It wouldn't be that simple. Roode would win, then Fortune turns on him. It goes on for maybe two weeks, with it seem Fortune is the heels, only to turn out, that they turned on him, because they found out he was secretly aligning himself with Hogan and Immortal. Then a week later, Roode reveals he was just siding with Immortal to help destroy it from within, and then the following week, he would lose the title back to Angle, after several confusing run ins. Approved!
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Post by drifter on Sept 13, 2011 10:50:51 GMT -5
It wouldn't be that simple. Roode would win, then Fortune turns on him. It goes on for maybe two weeks, with it seem Fortune is the heels, only to turn out, that they turned on him, because they found out he was secretly aligning himself with Hogan and Immortal. Then a week later, Roode reveals he was just siding with Immortal to help destroy it from within, and then the following week, he would lose the title back to Angle, after several confusing run ins. Approved! Lol I started confusing myself while I was writing it, so I must have really been in his head.
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Post by roddypiper on Sept 13, 2011 14:49:28 GMT -5
Joe is as un-entertaining as they come in TNA, he simply doesn't care anymore. They've pushed AJ as the face how many times and its failed. Daniels is almost 40 years old and isnt a credible Main-Eventer. Matt Morgan ing sucks. Time to push a new star, and Bobby Roode is that guy. I find Joe VERY entertaining. I agree, that at times he acts like he doesnt care. Honestly, he really has no other place to go unless he wants to go back to ROH. So he is kind of stuck in a rut. AJ, while not being a very good mic. man, still carries a good TNA fan base, moves merchandise and is seen as a credible TNA Champion. He can wow you in the ring, making up for some of what he lacks on the mic. While, I agree he wouldnt be my top choice.....I find him a MUCH stronger contender than Roode. Daniels being 40 is fairly irrelevant. First, he doesnt look it. Secondly, he can out wrestle half the current roster at 40 and where AJ lacks on the mic. Daniels makes up for. Daniels is a fantastic cross of worker/entertainer. Matt Morgan sucks?! Ummm....not sure what you are watching. Much improved worker. Certainly not as solid or crisp as Roode, but where he makes up for it is in his entertainment value. He has a strong gimmick, great look and a slightly above average mic. rate. In addition, he is a fresh face....new star. Bobby Roode is an excellent second fiddler. Much like Rodney Peete, he makes for one of the best back ups in wrestling today. As a tag team wrestler, he is adequate. As a singles competitor, he needs to latch onto someone else. His work rate in the ring defines missing something. He has very little entertainment value, unless working as his financial heel gimmick. His look is blah at best. To me Roode plays the Arn Anderson role to its finest. World champion material...he is not. You're just upset that Jeff isn't challenging for the belt already. ALWAYS has to be some idiot that HAS to ruin a thread. This isnt about Jeff...its about Bobby Roode. Try and stay on topic. Putting the belt on Jeff right now makes ZERO sense. He's been off for how long and is in the middle of this redemption story, which should lead to a battle with Immortal and then we can talk World Title. Good thing you're not booking TNA then wrestling mind. It would probably be worse if you were booking it. [/quote] Why cuz I couldnt please the sheep? Honestly.....b/c of the lack of any real truly defining contender or built up character, I leave the belt on Angle. There is no one on the roster that is positioned to be the face of TNA right now....cept Angle and that is only slightly. Leave it on Angle and immediately begin grooming someone to take the next step. AJ, Daniels, Morgan....whomever. [/quote] No because TNA's convaluted booking makes more sense then anything you could pull off. Had TNA taken the time to build Roode up with this BFG series rather then decide a winner at the last moment it all might mean something. To bad the plan was to have Crimson win it then TNA pull back only after realizing that he is not over or ready. The bulk of Roode's points came from tag matches probably so that does not build him up as a singles threat. Never mind the fact the other three in the final four should have been RVD, Styles, and Joe. Had Roode beaten any of them that would have done tons to build him up. Instead be beats Gunner and Bully Ray...who ing cares about those two pricks? You have RVD feuding with Jerry Lynn which was cool ten years ago... AJ dealing with Daniels..which was cool 5 years ago and Joe dealing with Morgan and a buffett table which was cool never.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 13, 2011 16:13:30 GMT -5
I find Joe VERY entertaining. I agree, that at times he acts like he doesnt care. Honestly, he really has no other place to go unless he wants to go back to ROH. So he is kind of stuck in a rut. AJ, while not being a very good mic. man, still carries a good TNA fan base, moves merchandise and is seen as a credible TNA Champion. He can wow you in the ring, making up for some of what he lacks on the mic. While, I agree he wouldnt be my top choice.....I find him a MUCH stronger contender than Roode. Daniels being 40 is fairly irrelevant. First, he doesnt look it. Secondly, he can out wrestle half the current roster at 40 and where AJ lacks on the mic. Daniels makes up for. Daniels is a fantastic cross of worker/entertainer. Matt Morgan sucks?! Ummm....not sure what you are watching. Much improved worker. Certainly not as solid or crisp as Roode, but where he makes up for it is in his entertainment value. He has a strong gimmick, great look and a slightly above average mic. rate. In addition, he is a fresh face....new star. Bobby Roode is an excellent second fiddler. Much like Rodney Peete, he makes for one of the best back ups in wrestling today. As a tag team wrestler, he is adequate. As a singles competitor, he needs to latch onto someone else. His work rate in the ring defines missing something. He has very little entertainment value, unless working as his financial heel gimmick. His look is blah at best. To me Roode plays the Arn Anderson role to its finest. World champion material...he is not. You're just upset that Jeff isn't challenging for the belt already. ALWAYS has to be some idiot that HAS to ruin a thread. This isnt about Jeff...its about Bobby Roode. Try and stay on topic. Putting the belt on Jeff right now makes ZERO sense. He's been off for how long and is in the middle of this redemption story, which should lead to a battle with Immortal and then we can talk World Title. Good thing you're not booking TNA then wrestling mind. It would probably be worse if you were booking it. Why cuz I couldnt please the sheep? Honestly.....b/c of the lack of any real truly defining contender or built up character, I leave the belt on Angle. There is no one on the roster that is positioned to be the face of TNA right now....cept Angle and that is only slightly. Leave it on Angle and immediately begin grooming someone to take the next step. AJ, Daniels, Morgan....whomever. [/quote] No because TNA's convaluted booking makes more sense then anything you could pull off. Had TNA taken the time to build Roode up with this BFG series rather then decide a winner at the last moment it all might mean something. To bad the plan was to have Crimson win it then TNA pull back only after realizing that he is not over or ready. The bulk of Roode's points came from tag matches probably so that does not build him up as a singles threat. Never mind the fact the other three in the final four should have been RVD, Styles, and Joe. Had Roode beaten any of them that would have done tons to build him up. Instead be beats Gunner and Bully Ray...who ing cares about those two pricks? You have RVD feuding with Jerry Lynn which was cool ten years ago... AJ dealing with Daniels..which was cool 5 years ago and Joe dealing with Morgan and a buffett table which was cool never. [/quote] This sounds like you are agreeing with me.
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Post by roddypiper on Sept 13, 2011 16:18:10 GMT -5
ALWAYS has to be some idiot that HAS to ruin a thread. This isnt about Jeff...its about Bobby Roode. Try and stay on topic. Putting the belt on Jeff right now makes ZERO sense. He's been off for how long and is in the middle of this redemption story, which should lead to a battle with Immortal and then we can talk World Title. Good thing you're not booking TNA then wrestling mind. It would probably be worse if you were booking it. Why cuz I couldnt please the sheep? Honestly.....b/c of the lack of any real truly defining contender or built up character, I leave the belt on Angle. There is no one on the roster that is positioned to be the face of TNA right now....cept Angle and that is only slightly. Leave it on Angle and immediately begin grooming someone to take the next step. AJ, Daniels, Morgan....whomever. No because TNA's convaluted booking makes more sense then anything you could pull off. Had TNA taken the time to build Roode up with this BFG series rather then decide a winner at the last moment it all might mean something. To bad the plan was to have Crimson win it then TNA pull back only after realizing that he is not over or ready. The bulk of Roode's points came from tag matches probably so that does not build him up as a singles threat. Never mind the fact the other three in the final four should have been RVD, Styles, and Joe. Had Roode beaten any of them that would have done tons to build him up. Instead be beats Gunner and Bully Ray...who ing cares about those two pricks? You have RVD feuding with Jerry Lynn which was cool ten years ago... AJ dealing with Daniels..which was cool 5 years ago and Joe dealing with Morgan and a buffett table which was cool never. [/quote] This sounds like you are agreeing with me. [/quote] Some what.. I do not agree with Roode being a backup though... I just think TNA threw him in to make up for Crimson being a wash out. When it is clear as god damn day that it should have been RVD Styles Joe and Roode.
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Post by LtD73 on Sept 13, 2011 16:25:18 GMT -5
They shouldve started a slow build from Lockdown when he put Flair out.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 13, 2011 16:50:47 GMT -5
Last Hero...what is it about Roode that makes you believe he is world title material?
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Post by roddypiper on Sept 13, 2011 17:02:30 GMT -5
Last Hero...what is it about Roode that makes you believe he is world title material? The guy has a good look, he is good on the mic and good in the ring. With the way TNA throws their title around...and who they wanted to put it on ( Crimson?!) Why not Roode? ESP if they turn him heel with the title at some point. He can be the bad ass heel champ that wears suits and kills mother ers...or he can be the face champ who overcame the odds and climbed the ranks.
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Post by LtD73 on Sept 13, 2011 17:12:11 GMT -5
Last Hero...what is it about Roode that makes you believe he is world title material? The guy has a good look, he is good on the mic and good in the ring. With the way TNA throws their title around...and who they wanted to put it on ( Crimson?!) Why not Roode? ESP if they turn him heel with the title at some point. He can be the bad ass heel champ that wears suits and kills mother ers...or he can be the face champ who overcame the odds and climbed the ranks. Heel Roode when he was a singles wrestler was amazing
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Post by RedwineRaider on Sept 13, 2011 20:00:23 GMT -5
TNA has to do the right thing at Bound for Glory. Roode has needed this push for years now. He has a great look and he gets it done in the ring. Very intense and solid on the mic. He has always reminded me of TNA's Triple H. I think it'd be cool seeing him in suits carrying the world title as a mega heel. I still don't like the new belt though, ugh.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 13, 2011 21:14:07 GMT -5
Last Hero...what is it about Roode that makes you believe he is world title material? The guy has a good look, he is good on the mic and good in the ring. With the way TNA throws their title around...and who they wanted to put it on ( Crimson?!) Why not Roode? ESP if they turn him heel with the title at some point. He can be the bad ass heel champ that wears suits and kills mother ers...or he can be the face champ who overcame the odds and climbed the ranks. I cant disagree anymore. His look is blah. He has good size, but otherwise I see a pretty generic looking guy. Mic skills? What mic. skills? I see him no better than an AJ Styles. Good in the ring? Yeah....he is solid. Nothing to jump up and down and scream about, but the guy is solid. He gets in there, tells a good story and makes a solid contribution. But he's Arn Anderson at best and Arn could cut a hell of a promo, which Roode cannot. "Pays To Be Roode?" Huh? As a heel....ok. But as a face? We agree that Crimson is a joke. I told you what I would have done already. But with the hand that is dealt, go with Angle/Roode with Angle going over and Roode passing out bleeding, from the ankle lock. Roode gets over. Angle survives.
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Post by deskjet on Sept 13, 2011 23:00:07 GMT -5
About 6 months ago...Roode shoulda been paired with flair as Flair's protege complete with glitzy robe, high class lifestyle, etc. Flair grooms him to be world champ. He beats a babyface champion and goes on to dominate the main event scene for a few months. Of course every big man needs a bodyguard..insert Crimson. You gotta a nice little formidable threesome there with potential to build it the point that the group strains and falls apart...Roode vs Falir then Roode vs Face Crimson...By that time Crimson has solidified his role as a no nonsense big man, Roode is the pompous heel champ, You've built purposeful tension between within the group and there ya go. It's called taking the time to develop a god damn storyline that utlilizes your young talent and at the same time develops characters and meaningful match ups. If they get the Hogans, Jarrets, stings, bubba ray, dvons, jerry Lynns outta the damn picture, they might be able to pull something like this off. Just my two cents on how Roode's character could be better portrayed.
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Post by The Hitman on Sept 13, 2011 23:50:36 GMT -5
TNA should fire Roode. . . . . . so the WWE can sign him.
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