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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 4, 2011 19:56:22 GMT -5
For the last 10-15 years i think mainstream music has been at its worth and only getting worse by the day. But taste aside, i see it as stupidity. Stupid people listening to stupid music. Katy Perry and her peers like Keesha have nothing intelligent to offer and are not real artists by any stretch of the imagination. Not sure how people get caught in pop music. Just does nothing for my brain besides lower my iq. This really isn't even about preference like i said, i don't feel this way about other time periods or genres. I myself was/am a huge fan of 80s/90s college/indie/alternative. Nirvana Dinosaur Jr. Mudhoney Alice In Chains Pearl Jam to an extent Sonic Youth R.E.M. Miracle Legion Blind Melon. All bands that were made up of intelligent people who weren't just trying and desperate to make a buck. Bands who played whatever the the wanted. And had were socially concious. I'm also into classic rock,jazz, 30s-40s stuff like Cliff Edwards, 60-70s country. So i'm not narrow. I think alot of the state of music has to do with Rap and Black poverished culture. Anything urban like that is pretty devoid of intelligence. Proper english is lost in rap, think thats fair to say. The rise of Rap began the decline of intelligent music imo. Any counterpoints or thoughts?
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Post by MuffFuzz on Nov 4, 2011 20:10:34 GMT -5
You had me until you started trashing Rap.
There are a ton of crappy Rock bands just like there are a ton of crappy Rap artists. You can say the same thing about Grunge - Oh, Grunge ruined good rock because you have all these wannabe-Grunge bands like Nickleback and Hinder and other stuff like that.
Honestly, I think what it's come down to is either music just doesn't mean that much too people anymore, it has more of a "background" type of effect on people, or we will never have the days of one or two styles dominating the mainstream like in the 80's/90's because mainstream music is far too eclectic these days.
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 4, 2011 20:13:35 GMT -5
You had me until you started trashing Rap. There are a ton of crappy Rock bands just like there are a ton of crappy Rap artists. You can say the same thing about Grunge - Oh, Grunge ruined good rock because you have all these wannabe-Grunge bands like Nickleback and Hinder and other stuff like that. Honestly, I think what it's come down to is either music just doesn't mean that much too people anymore, it has more of a "background" type of effect on people, or we will never have the days of one or two styles dominating the mainstream like in the 80's/90's because mainstream music is far too eclectic these days. How are Nickleback and Hinder wannabe grunge bands? Neither have any integrity.
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Post by The Dude on Nov 4, 2011 20:56:34 GMT -5
I agree, music hasn't really had the same enthusiasm as the 90's.
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Post by Parchandri on Nov 4, 2011 20:58:57 GMT -5
You had me until you started trashing Rap. There are a ton of crappy Rock bands just like there are a ton of crappy Rap artists. You can say the same thing about Grunge - Oh, Grunge ruined good rock because you have all these wannabe-Grunge bands like Nickleback and Hinder and other stuff like that. Honestly, I think what it's come down to is either music just doesn't mean that much too people anymore, it has more of a "background" type of effect on people, or we will never have the days of one or two styles dominating the mainstream like in the 80's/90's because mainstream music is far too eclectic these days. I see where you're coming from but the mainstream bands you referenced really aren't grunge, they're more of a nod to rock and roll than anything. Also, I don't think this has anything to do with music being as meaningful to people. I think it's just the fact that this is what's popular right now. Sure Pearl Jam, and REM, etc. might have had more meaningful lyrics, but there style of music was "in" at the time and therefore they flourished because of it.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Nov 4, 2011 21:05:21 GMT -5
You had me until you started trashing Rap. There are a ton of crappy Rock bands just like there are a ton of crappy Rap artists. You can say the same thing about Grunge - Oh, Grunge ruined good rock because you have all these wannabe-Grunge bands like Nickleback and Hinder and other stuff like that. Honestly, I think what it's come down to is either music just doesn't mean that much too people anymore, it has more of a "background" type of effect on people, or we will never have the days of one or two styles dominating the mainstream like in the 80's/90's because mainstream music is far too eclectic these days. How are Nickleback and Hinder wannabe grunge bands? Neither have any integrity. That's exactly the point! lol.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Nov 4, 2011 21:09:38 GMT -5
You had me until you started trashing Rap. There are a ton of crappy Rock bands just like there are a ton of crappy Rap artists. You can say the same thing about Grunge - Oh, Grunge ruined good rock because you have all these wannabe-Grunge bands like Nickleback and Hinder and other stuff like that. Honestly, I think what it's come down to is either music just doesn't mean that much too people anymore, it has more of a "background" type of effect on people, or we will never have the days of one or two styles dominating the mainstream like in the 80's/90's because mainstream music is far too eclectic these days. I see where you're coming from but the mainstream bands you referenced really aren't grunge, they're more of a nod to rock and roll than anything. Also, I don't think this has anything to do with music being as meaningful to people. I think it's just the fact that this is what's popular right now. Sure Pearl Jam, and REM, etc. might have had more meaningful lyrics, but there style of music was "in" at the time and therefore they flourished because of it. To be honest I tried to think of a few other bands here but I couldn't be bothered much longer. Anyways, Nickleback is a prime example of ripping off that basic 3-4 chord formula + the Cobain-esque, raspy vocals. Seether, while I don't hate them, are extremely guilty of this.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Nov 4, 2011 21:13:06 GMT -5
I think alot of the state of music has to do with Rap and Black poverished culture. Anything urban like that is pretty devoid of intelligence. Proper english is lost in rap, think thats fair to say. The rise of Rap began the decline of intelligent music imo. Any counterpoints or thoughts? You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. It's almost offensive and border line racist to even make a comment like that. Rap and Hip Hop music as a whole has done more for music than you can clearly appreciate. The "gangstas" you see on TV flashing their chains and their cars are only a fraction of what hip hop is about. Some of the greatest writers, poets, and lyricists in the industry right now are rappers. Also, people tend to put on their nostalgia tinted glasses when talking about music from past generations. The 80's and 90's had horrible music by the truck load just like this generation does. Ke$ha, Katy Perry, and Gaga are the Cindy Laupers, Madonnas, and and Chers of today. Same exact thing. They're all pop artists, basing their music off of what's current and "in".
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Nov 4, 2011 21:59:03 GMT -5
You're talking bollocks. Pardon the language. You forget that the 80s and 90s had that same low brow, generic, cheesy pop music, although it may sound abit better now in nostalgia, it was just as bad as it is today. Good music is alive and kicking, you just have to look for it. I mean i've heard that there is alot of crap on American radio and they push all that Hinder/Nickleback stuff, but here we embrace quite a range of music. Even some rap inspired artists are actualy putting out intelligent music and exploring new styles.
Music is where it always has been, and sometimes the "intelligent" stuff doesn't get the air play it should have, but if you look there are some genius bands out there. If you ever want any recomendations, send me a PM with some more music you like and i'll gladly name you a few bands.
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Nov 4, 2011 23:10:22 GMT -5
While I do agree that mainstream music is mostly trash, you presented the point terribly.
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 4, 2011 23:34:44 GMT -5
While I do agree that mainstream music is mostly trash, you presented the point terribly. I couldn't have presented it much better tbh. I stated why i thought it was trash, unintelligence. I also don't understand white kids being so into black culture. Wanting to talk black, listen to black music, just really strange.
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 4, 2011 23:38:12 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from but the mainstream bands you referenced really aren't grunge, they're more of a nod to rock and roll than anything. Also, I don't think this has anything to do with music being as meaningful to people. I think it's just the fact that this is what's popular right now. Sure Pearl Jam, and REM, etc. might have had more meaningful lyrics, but there style of music was "in" at the time and therefore they flourished because of it. To be honest I tried to think of a few other bands here but I couldn't be bothered much longer. Anyways, Nickleback is a prime example of ripping off that basic 3-4 chord formula + the Cobain-esque, raspy vocals. Seether, while I don't hate them, are extremely guilty of this. One major thing. Grunge was not a genre. It was a media term for the way the Seattle guys dressed. Nirvana was alternative just like R.E.M. Fashion doesn't make music any different. Another thing. Alternative bands were about more than 3 chords and rasp. There was a D.I.Y ethic and integrity to all of them. Some have even called them self righteous but whatever. My point is they stood for something and they stuck to it. Something Nickelback or Hinder could never say.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Nov 4, 2011 23:42:07 GMT -5
I agree, music hasn't really had the same enthusiasm as the 90's. It's because modern rock radio hasn't moved an inch since the 90's. It's sad when you can play "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Freak on a Leash" on a modern rock station and they fit right in like they just came out yesterday.
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Post by chumped on Nov 4, 2011 23:44:55 GMT -5
Blah blah blah, tired thread and an irrelevant opinion. There is so much music out there.
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Post by Adam on Nov 4, 2011 23:55:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I was following along until this turned into some quasi-racist rant.
...and people did a fine job of pointing out that today's pop is really no different than the pop of the 80's and 90's. And it'll be the same of the 2010's and 2020's.
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This thread...
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Post by ß®å¢K$ßâ¢k on Nov 4, 2011 23:56:08 GMT -5
I don't see how you could say Katy Perry isn't a real artist. You just seem to like a specific genre. There's no doubt about it. Just don't listen to current music if you're going to trash it.
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 5, 2011 0:13:59 GMT -5
Would you compare Katy Perry to John Lennon ^^^^^^^^^^^^?
I'm not racist by any means. I just think its weird that alot of white kids are into black culture and hip hop more than they are Rock N Roll.
I just don't get what so cool about the urban thing. All money and partying imo.
I'm more mentally aware than that, thats why i liked Cobain. Just thought he had a sharp mind and was socially aware.
Guns N Roses with a concious as alot of Euro mags called Nirvana, weird but gets the point across. I just like serious, singer songwriter, artsy music.
Mark Mulcahy Thorne York Michael Stipe
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Post by wccwfan4life on Nov 5, 2011 0:16:12 GMT -5
I agree, music hasn't really had the same enthusiasm as the 90's. It's because modern rock radio hasn't moved an inch since the 90's. It's sad when you can play "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Freak on a Leash" on a modern rock station and they fit right in like they just came out yesterday. Very interesting point. But where do you go from here? What new things are left to do or say in Rock? All you can do is pick a genre and make music. Not sure what ground can be broken
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Post by ß®å¢K$ßâ¢k on Nov 5, 2011 0:18:44 GMT -5
Would you compare Katy Perry to John Lennon ^^^^^^^^^^^^? I'm not racist by any means. I just think its weird that alot of white kids are into black culture and hip hop more than they are Rock N Roll. I just don't get what so cool about the urban thing. All money and partying imo. I'm more mentally aware than that, thats why i liked Cobain. Just thought he had a sharp mind and was socially aware. Guns N Roses with a concious as alot of Euro mags called Nirvana, weird but gets the point across. I just like serious, singer songwriter, artsy music. Mark Mulcahy Thorne York Michael Stipe HAH...So by asking me that...You're saying that you're comparing Nirvana to John Lennon?
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Nov 5, 2011 0:20:33 GMT -5
Would you compare Katy Perry to John Lennon ^^^^^^^^^^^^? I'm not racist by any means. I just think its weird that alot of white kids are into black culture and hip hop more than they are Rock N Roll. I just don't get what so cool about the urban thing. All money and partying imo. I'm more mentally aware than that, thats why i liked Cobain. Just thought he had a sharp mind and was socially aware. Guns N Roses with a concious as alot of Euro mags called Nirvana, weird but gets the point across. I just like serious, singer songwriter, artsy music. Mark Mulcahy Thorne York Michael Stipe Katy is better than John Lennon though.
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