s13driver
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Post by s13driver on Nov 29, 2011 17:17:58 GMT -5
Okay, so it's one thing to talk smack to hype up a fight. But what's the point of bashing Arianny? Seems kinda douchebaggery if you ask me.
Whatchu think?
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Post by hammer on Nov 29, 2011 17:20:18 GMT -5
"One time when there was a title fight, she got all the way up to five and we were very proud of her."
i cackled like a complete moron at that one. im still chuckling infact.
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Post by Sonnen on Nov 29, 2011 17:53:53 GMT -5
I love Sonnen, and Driver your reaction of him being a douche bag is exactly why Sonnen does what he does. He's "out there" and likes to get a reaction.
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Post by 1992 on Nov 29, 2011 19:06:44 GMT -5
HASHTAG HEEL
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Post by s13driver on Nov 29, 2011 19:12:54 GMT -5
I love Sonnen, and Driver your reaction of him being a douche bag is exactly why Sonnen does what he does. He's "out there" and likes to get a reaction. I like Sonnen too, and I'll be routing for him 100% when he fights Silva, I just don't understand what his intentions were on insulting someone, that for all we know, didn't even do anything to him. I doubt he knows Arianny on a personal level so what's the point of insulting her? Just to get attention? He's not even clever with his insults either. I laugh and enjoy some of the things Sonnen does and says when geared towards fighters that he's gonna fight but why bother doing it to someone innocent. He's probably lashing out at her for rejecting his advances or something. |
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Post by 1992 on Nov 29, 2011 19:23:09 GMT -5
I doubt he knows Arianny on a personal level He's probably lashing out at her for rejecting his advances or something. LOL |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 29, 2011 23:08:12 GMT -5
I read on another forum that they exchanged words at a party awhile back.
and wish and hope all you want but there is no way Sonnen beats Silva.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Nov 29, 2011 23:48:32 GMT -5
It's a work, leading to the obvious swerve.
Arianny hits Anderson with the title, allowing Chael to pick up the TKO victory.
Then Arianny manages Chael.
Duh. So predictable.
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Post by 1992 on Nov 29, 2011 23:55:35 GMT -5
and wish and hope all you want but there is no way Sonnen beats Silva. There are ton's of ways Sonnen could beat Silva. Keep your words short and sweet... |
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Post by Bartman on Nov 30, 2011 0:29:49 GMT -5
and wish and hope all you want but there is no way Sonnen beats Silva. There are ton's of ways Sonnen could beat Silva. I wouldn't exactly say a ton. I think a decision is the only way. So one. |
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Post by 1992 on Nov 30, 2011 0:40:00 GMT -5
There are ton's of ways Sonnen could beat Silva. I wouldn't exactly say a ton. I think a decision is the only way. So one. 1. He COMPLETELY physically dominated him and outpointed him in the first fight. 2. He dropped him with punches more than once. 3. He also "attempted" an arm-triangle, but released. Now, he's brought in a BJJ coach, so he'll be scouting for subs from those dominant positions he can establish through take-downs and/or setting them up with strikes. Doing the whole "my favorite fighter can't lose" bit is tired. Saying ANYTHING in absolution when it comes to MMA is just plain idiotic. "Lesnar's just to big for Cain to beat. No way he wins." "Fedor's never gonna lose." "Cain Velasquez is gonna clean out the HW division." "Shogun is gonna humble Bones Jones." "Rampage is gonna humble Bones Jones." "Anderson's never gonna lose." Yeah yeah yeah... |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 30, 2011 1:33:16 GMT -5
1. Anderson was injured....
2. He came out in a f***ing gi...the plan from the get-go was to let Chael do what he does and try to set-up a submission.
3. Chael was 'roided up..
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Post by 1992 on Nov 30, 2011 1:48:50 GMT -5
1. Then he shouldn't have taken the fight. When you're supposed be be the unstoppable GOAT P4P kingpin of MMA you shouldn't need excuses from your fans. Especially excuses in a fight you ended up winning.
2. The plan was to win any way possible. He also dropped him with an elbow early on a tried to finish but couldn't.
3. Roids don't give you magical super-powered punches. Especially one shot of testosterone. Silva got dropped and was in danger the entire fight. End of.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 30, 2011 4:00:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly say a ton. I think a decision is the only way. So one. 1. He COMPLETELY physically dominated him and outpointed him in the first fight. 2. He dropped him with punches more than once. 3. He also "attempted" an arm-triangle, but released. Now, he's brought in a BJJ coach, so he'll be scouting for subs from those dominant positions he can establish through take-downs and/or setting them up with strikes. Doing the whole "my favorite fighter can't lose" bit is tired. Saying ANYTHING in absolution when it comes to MMA is just plain idiotic. Let's see here... 1. Yes, like I said.. a decision. 2. "Dropped him with punches". Wait.. what? Are you implying that Sonnen can KO/TKO Silva? Silva got stumbled in the first Round. Even then, he was in no immediate danger. Silva's never been knocked out. Not sure what makes you think Sonnen can. 3. Not sure why you put attempted in quotations. That's what it was, an attempt. A half-assed one at that. To think that warrants the assumption that Sonnen can submit Silva is a bit ludicrous. The whole "anything can happen in MMA" is one of the biggest cop-outs ever. Yes, anything can happen in MMA. Brock Lesnar can submit Overeem with a flying triangle in their fight. But it's called being realistic. The whole 'there's a ton of ways Sonnen can win" is a bit silly. For one, before Brian Stann, he's never finished an opponent in about 5-6 years. So I'm not quite sure why you assume Sonnen has this big bag of tricks to finish Silva in any way he wants. You have to remember, it's Anderson Silva. Not only has never he never been finished in about 7 years, but has faced much more dangerous threats both on the feet and on the ground. I think saying a Sonnen decision win is most likely his only chance at claiming the title. Unlike Sandy, I think Sonnen can win. But do I believe he'll finish Silva? Hardly. Silva was in danger the entire fight. Yes, in danger of losing a decision. |
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Post by Fury on Nov 30, 2011 4:08:01 GMT -5
I love me some Sonnen, guy is great for MMA. And I wouldn't count Sonnen out, you know he's going to show up more motivated than ever and with a solid gameplan, plus Silva has always had a weakness against wrestlers. I think Silva takes the fight though as Sonnen will probably be to over eager at some point and make a mistake like the fight and you can't afford mistakes against Silva.
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Post by 1992 on Nov 30, 2011 4:34:53 GMT -5
First off you can lose the attitude because I'm not the one who brought this up. Second off I'm not Mr. Old School, I never did the whole "anything can happen in MMA" bullsh*t shtick. I gave facts from the first fight and you both got pissed.  Guess what? If Sonnen would of had quicker response time to that... boom TKO or KO. Like it or not. Yup, Silva's never been knocked-out. And Fedor had never been submitted post-Werdum fight. NO that isn't an "anything can happen" cop out, it's called reality. People get so caught up in the mystique of a person/situation that they forget they're human. Sonnen proved on multiple occasions that Silva IS susceptible to striking, the same way Werdum proved Fedor was susceptible to being submitted. That's not an opinion, it's not biased. It's a fact. I'll mail you a copy of UFC 117 and you can skip to the main event if you don't believe me. There was another instance in the fight, first round where Sonnen DROPS him onto his back with punches, but instead rushes into guard because he fights like a moron most of the time. Yup, Chael "Pillow Paws" Sonnen dropped the P4P king, he didn't trip, he didn't slip, he didn't see a dime and stop to pick it up....he got punched in the face and it knocked him for a loop. Same way Silva knocked Sonnen for a loop with an elbow. It's ludicrous to think submission's need not apply to Anderson Silva. If the same Chael Sonnen that fought at 136 fought Anderson Silva at 117, guess what? there's a 99% chance Silva would have tapped or napped due to an arm-triangle choke. Is it likely Sonnen's gonna get a submission? Not exactly. Does the threat/idea still remain? Of course it does. Again, NO that isn't the "anything can happen" cop out. Sonnen's brought in a brand new coach and has been adding submissions to his repertoire. Don't believe me? I'll go ahead and attach a copy of 136 to that 117 DVD I'm sending out. Let me guess? Stann's not Silva though, right? Of course he isn't. Silva BJJ and sub defense if world class, naturally, slipping out of Lutter's armbar after getting pounded on in full mount? Classic VINTAGE Silva. But escaping Lutter's totally half-assed armbar and escaping a fully applied arm-triangle from Sonnen are two very different things. And I just chuckle at how people write off Sonnen never even getting the chance to sub Silva. You can bet your bottom dollar that fight would go to the ground within the first 30 seconds. It's still VERY reasonable to believe the opportunity for an sub would present itself. Especially if Silva's stunned/dazed/disoriented/tired. Again, I don't understand what the big issue is here that you're both getting pissed at. I'm not making sh*t up or even insulting you, I'm stating facts and sourcing their first fight, this is sh*t that actually happened. |
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Post by Bartman on Nov 30, 2011 6:09:56 GMT -5
First off you can lose the attitude because I'm not the one who brought this up. Second off I'm not Mr. Old School, I never did the whole "anything can happen in MMA" bullsh*t shtick. I gave facts from the first fight and you both got pissed. Guess what? If Sonnen would of had quicker response time to that... boom TKO or KO. Like it or not. Yup, Silva's never been knocked-out. And Fedor had never been submitted post-Werdum fight. NO that isn't an "anything can happen" cop out, it's called reality. People get so caught up in the mystique of a person/situation that they forget they're human. Sonnen proved on multiple occasions that Silva IS susceptible to striking, the same way Werdum proved Fedor was susceptible to being submitted. That's not an opinion, it's not biased. It's a fact. I'll mail you a copy of UFC 117 and you can skip to the main event if you don't believe me. There was another instance in the fight, first round where Sonnen DROPS him onto his back with punches, but instead rushes into guard because he fights like a moron most of the time. Yup, Chael "Pillow Paws" Sonnen dropped the P4P king, he didn't trip, he didn't slip, he didn't see a dime and stop to pick it up....he got punched in the face and it knocked him for a loop. Same way Silva knocked Sonnen for a loop with an elbow. It's ludicrous to think submission's need not apply to Anderson Silva. If the same Chael Sonnen that fought at 136 fought Anderson Silva at 117, guess what? there's a 99% chance Silva would have tapped or napped due to an arm-triangle choke. Is it likely Sonnen's gonna get a submission? Not exactly. Does the threat/idea still remain? Of course it does. Again, NO that isn't the "anything can happen" cop out. Sonnen's brought in a brand new coach and has been adding submissions to his repertoire. Don't believe me? I'll go ahead and attach a copy of 136 to that 117 DVD I'm sending out. Let me guess? Stann's not Silva though, right? Of course he isn't. Silva BJJ and sub defense if world class, naturally, slipping out of Lutter's armbar after getting pounded on in full mount? Classic VINTAGE Silva. But escaping Lutter's totally half-assed armbar and escaping a fully applied arm-triangle from Sonnen are two very different things. And I just chuckle at how people write off Sonnen never even getting the chance to sub Silva. You can bet your bottom dollar that fight would go to the ground within the first 30 seconds. It's still VERY reasonable to believe the opportunity for an sub would present itself. Especially if Silva's stunned/dazed/disoriented/tired. Again, I don't understand what the big issue is here that you're both getting pissed at. I'm not making sh*t up or even insulting you, I'm stating facts and sourcing their first fight, this is sh*t that actually happened.  First off you can lose the attitude because I'm not the one who brought this up. Second off I'm not Mr. Old School, I never did the whole "anything can happen in MMA" bullsh*t shtick. Saying ANYTHING in absolution when it comes to MMA is just plain idiotic. Meh, you just re-worded it. If it has a different meaning then you're more than welcome to explain. The funny part is, I wanted Sonnen to beat Silva. I think Sonnen is hilarious. I could care less about Silva. I like GSP. When I originally quoted you, I just said how Sonnen could only win through decision. That’s realistic. The guy has one finish to his name in years. Then you went on some random spiel way longer than it should have been. And bringing up stuff like a half-assed attempt at an arm triangle choke that proved absolutely nothing. I honestly don’t even know what to say here. I already said Sonnen stumbled Silva. That gif proves absolutely nothing. LOL, quicker response time to what? If you watch the fight instead of a two second gif, you’ll see in no way was Silva even close of being finished there. Perhaps you should keep the UFC 117 DVD and rewatch the fight because it seems like the last time you saw it was when it originally aired... Werdum is DANGEROUS on the ground. Chael Sonnen is not dangerous on the feet or on the ground. That is reality. Ok, I was joking before but now I’m really questioning whether or not the last time you saw the fight was when it originally aired. Please watch that first round again and tell me when Sonnen dropped Silva on his back with a punch. |
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Post by 1992 on Nov 30, 2011 6:35:37 GMT -5
 < My cute smartass gif to start the reply.  Sooo...Sandy was right in saying "there is no way Sonnen beats Silva"? That is any absolute fact right? Of course. So I had no right in saying that it was idiotic to claim it was an absolution. Of course. Stupid me. 'slaps forehead' I'm not sure if you've ever been punched in the face so hard that it knocked you off your feet or nearly did...but yeah, Silva was definitely in danger there. Go check Edgar vs. Maynard 2 and 3. Frankie was sent stumbling backward from punches and uppercuts. But he was never in any real danger. Because he's Frankie Edgar. Nah. LOL, ok. The same way Edgar dazed Maynard and sent him stumbling backward the same way Silva was, then guess what he did...GASP...finished him with more punches that Maynard was to dazed to defended against. Madness. I just re-watched the fight about 3 weeks ago. I may have been off with my timing of him getting rocked, but I remember shaking my head in disgust at how Silva was basically ready to be finished, and instead of unloading, Sonnen climbed into and snuggled up in his guard. He might not have sent him straight to his back, as in flattened him out, but Silva wound up grounded due to strikes. Ok. Anderson Silva can't be submitted. He's an invincible submission machine. You’re indirectly implying that. You’re just not saying it. Big deal. Lol @ "you not even really being a Silva fan". Yet you're defending him like he's your brother. Righteo. No facts. Silva was never in danger at 117. He was pretending to be rocked by strikes. And Sonnen didn't have an opening for an arm triangle. You're right, I'm wrong. You know I don't even know why I'm going on. I don't even like MMA. Just got into it a few hours ago so I could post in this thread. |
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Post by sean™ on Nov 30, 2011 11:14:48 GMT -5
Arm triangles, rocking punches, decisions.....
Sonnen has different ways to win, and this is coming from a guy that rather hates Chael Sonnen. That being said, I personally believe the whole gameplan to "submit Chael" from the get-go had a lot to do with the Rib Injury. I think Chael is going in the right direction, especially by working more on submissions, which gives him something to work for when he holds people down for great lengths during his fight.
But I'd still take a healthy Anderson Silva over Chael Sonnen any day of the week. To me, it comes down the rib thing solely because of the amount of things that a rib injury would affect that Silva does. He never got comfortable in the striking game, despite having time to do so in the first 3 rounds. He didn't seem to really throw any knees when they were in the clinch. He only threw a few kicks here and there as well.
To me, Silva didn't look like he was every able to mount a real offense. The question going into a rematch is if that had to do with the rib injury, or if it had to do with facing Chael Sonnen.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 30, 2011 13:00:24 GMT -5
Didn't realize Sandy and Bartman were the same person. My mistake! I'll be sure to quote you next time and start rambling on about what Valo said. Makes sense to me.
You're comparing Sonnen stumbling Silva to Edgar/Maynard? When you're completely dazed and out of it you go into defensive mode. Silva was still right in front of Sonnen exchanging with him. He was not out of it. Your 'facts' are clearly flawed. Just because you get slightly rocked doesn't mean you're in immediate danger. It's called fast recovery. Once again, watch the fight.
Ah, so now he didn't knock him on his back. So much for your facts. You're making yourself look more and more credible, I must say.
Oh, he can be submitted. He's been submitted before. But when you're claiming the man to do it is Chael Sonnen, then I start raising my eyebrow.
Sorry, I forgot. He brought in a new BJJ coach. He's a ground technician now.
I'm not really a Silva fan. Nothing more I can say about that. Look back at the thread. I said one line, and then you started to go on and on in your reply. Me defending Silva has more to do with you getting butthurt about what I originally said and started rambling in your reply.
Oh cool, he clearly had the opening, started to apply it but backed off because he didn't want to win the fight. Cool story.
Nah, your only downfall is basing your facts off a fight you clearly last saw a year ago. L.o.L.
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