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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Jan 29, 2012 11:24:11 GMT -5
Sonnen won that fight for sure. He had the takedowns and controlled Bisping for the most part. Round 1 Sonnen, Round 2 Bisping and Round 3 was Sonnen for sure. The 3rd round was all Sonnen, in my opinion.
I'm glad we are seeing Sonnen/Silva 2. Should be a tremendous fight. Can't wait. And I'm sorry, but Rashad doesn't have a prayer against Bones Jones. That one will be over in the 1st if he fights like he did last night.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jan 29, 2012 12:40:22 GMT -5
Sonnen only won one round out of three, so how could he win that fight? One of the judges scored it 30-27 to Sonnen, so what fight was that imbecile watching? Even Rogan said that Sonnen looked terrible. Sonnen won the last round only - the first two were Bisping's. I suppose Bisping vs Silva is not as big a match-up money-wise, as Silva/Sonnen II is. I'm not too disappointed though because when it happens - and it will happen, Bisping's title fight needs to be in England anyway, not Brazil. If Sonnen fights like he did last night, Silva will destroy him.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 29, 2012 14:23:08 GMT -5
For those complaining about the Sonnen-Bisping decisionhosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3764According to stats from FightMetric, Sonnen out-struck Bisping 135 to 102, while winning the takedown battle 4 to 1. He also had two dominant positions (mount, back mount). Round one Sonnen: 24 significant strikes, 43 total strikes, 2 takedowns Bisping: 13 significant strikes, 23 total strikes, 0 takedowns This round was scored for Sonnen on all three cards and rightfully should have beenRound twoSonnen: 11 significant strikes, 57 total strikes, 1 takedown Bisping: 15 significant strikes, 50 total strikes, 0 takedowns This round was scored for Bisping by two judges, while one judge scored it for Sonnen. This was the closest round of the fight statistically and one could make an argument either way.Round threeSonnen: 5 significant strikes, 35 total strikes, 1 takedown, 2 dominant positions Bisping: 2 significant strikes, 29 total strikes, 1 takedown The dominant positions as well as the length that he held them secured this round easily for Sonnen. ---------------- So overall, a 30-27 or a 29-28 for Sonnen is the only scoring that makes sense. Scoring the fight for Bisping would've been an incredible injustice. `
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Post by hammer on Jan 29, 2012 15:11:08 GMT -5
while i thought the fight was very close those first 2 rounds... you have to judge it on first view. i dont care much for looking at the stats after the fact and saying who shouldve won... the judges at ringside are looking on their first view. you miss a punch here and there, thats the whole purpose of judging it with humans. mercifully, the stats back up that they got it right.
strikes and takedown numbers however, dont show that bisping got right back up after the first with no damage done, and was pretty quick on the 2nd, with 3 limited punches landed... and that he held him up on the cage for 2+ minutes in that round. that said... yea, those first 2 rounds were very tight, and couldve gone either way, and the 3rd was clearly sonnens. i wasnt outraged with the result at all... i personally had it to bisping, but even last night stated i couldve seen how the judges gave both those first 2 rounds to sonnen.
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Post by 1992 on Jan 29, 2012 16:07:49 GMT -5
For those complaining about the Sonnen-Bisping decisionhosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3764According to stats from FightMetric, Sonnen out-struck Bisping 135 to 102, while winning the takedown battle 4 to 1. He also had two dominant positions (mount, back mount). Round one Sonnen: 24 significant strikes, 43 total strikes, 2 takedowns Bisping: 13 significant strikes, 23 total strikes, 0 takedowns This round was scored for Sonnen on all three rounds and rightfully should have beenRound twoSonnen: 11 significant strikes, 57 total strikes, 1 takedown Bisping: 15 significant strikes, 50 total strikes, 0 takedowns This fight was scored for Bisping by two judges, while one judge scored it for Sonnen. This was the closest round of the fight statistically and really could have gone either way. One could make an argument either way.Round threeSonnen: 5 significant strikes, 35 total strikes, 1 takedown, 2 dominant positions Bisping: 2 significant strikes, 29 total strikes, 1 takedown The dominant positions as well as the length that he held them secured this round easily for Sonnen. ---------------- So overall, a 30-27 or a 29-28 for Sonnen is the only scoring that makes sense. Scoring the fight for Bisping would've been an incredible injustice. ` ing thank you.
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Post by HHH316 on Jan 29, 2012 16:26:47 GMT -5
I was surprised to see so many people feel Bisping won the fight. I honestly thought it was a no brainer. My roommate watched it this morning & said it was a lot closer than we originally thought.
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Post by 1992 on Jan 29, 2012 16:32:03 GMT -5
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Post by Fury on Jan 29, 2012 17:30:58 GMT -5
Eh I scored the fight 29-28 Sonnen, third to Sonnen and second to Bisping and first was a bit of a toss-up but I give the edge to Sonnen. Bisping controlled Sonnen against the cage and fought his fight for part of the first and the second plus Sonnen didn't do much with the takedowns in the first but did get a dominant position which is why I would've gave the round to Sonnen. That kind of stuff doesn't show up on the stat sheets but should be scored under "octagon control".
Anyway as I said I think the right man won and am looking forward to Silva/Sonnen and I highly doubt the independent judges care about the UFC's marketing.
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Post by Bartman on Jan 29, 2012 20:16:49 GMT -5
Round 1 was a toss up for me for Sonnen/Bisping. I gave round 2 to Bisping and obviously round 3 to Sonnen. I'm glad Sonnen was given the nod though because the Silva/Sonnen rematch in a soccer stadium will be absolutely epic. On a side note, Sonnen looked very lackluster compared to his dominant performance over Brian Stann. He's in some serious trouble if the same Sonnen that showed up last night shows up in the Silva rematch.
Rashad also didn't look all too impressive especially comparing it to how different of an animal f he looked against Tito. I'm one of the very few that thinks Rashad can beat Jones, but much like Sonnen last night, if the same Rashad that showed up last night comes to the Jones fight, he'll be in trouble.
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Post by Sandy on Jan 30, 2012 2:15:37 GMT -5
the thing with Rashad is that I feel he performs extremely well when he is the underdog...
...when he is the favorite? Not so much...
I read that Jones opened as the 6 to 1 favorite, which is f***ing insane considering Rashad has lost once in his career. But with that being said I think Rashad played it kind of safe in this fight and he STILL dominated Phil Davis. I think Jones will win but it will be a much closer fight than people are giving Rashad credit for..
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 30, 2012 5:52:08 GMT -5
So overall, a 30-27 or a 29-28 for Sonnen is the only scoring that makes sense. Scoring the fight for Bisping would've been an incredible injustice. ` Kliq... I know you're not one of Bisping's biggest fans(!), but there was certainly a case for him winning - most people thought he won the second, and the first could have gone either way... what the stats don't show is the overall "look" of a fight and how Bisping was able to get straight up from a lot of Sonnen's takedowns (without any damage being done) and how he was controlling Sonnen up against the cage. For what it's worth, both Dana White and Joe Rogan thought Bisping won. I scored it for Sonnen (29-28) but can see why some people favored Bisping... in hindsight, this really should have been the main-event (especially as Evans/Davis was a bit of a stinker) - seeing it go another 2 rounds would have been very interesting. I still can't wait for Silva/Sonnen 2 - for anyone writing Sonnen off because of how he looked in this fight... you shouldn't. I remember watching him in his fight against Nate Marquardt (before he fought Silva the first time) - he looked totally spent afterwards and I thought he wouldn't stand a chance against Silva... well, we all know what happened. And styles make fights... Sonnen has the style that matches up very well with Silva - and he'll probably come in in better shape too. Should be fun.
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Post by sean™ on Jan 30, 2012 12:14:56 GMT -5
The only issue I had with the Bisping/Sonnen outcome was the 30-27 score from one of the judges. I'm sorry, but there's no way Chael won the second round.
On the other hand, big props to Bisping regardless of the outcome. Chael is not a novice on the ground, and the fact that Bisping survived not only being mounted, but being back mounted and almost submitted. Plus his striking was pretty good throughout the bout.
Does this fight get me excited for a rematch? Not really. It's nice to see that Chael had to work for the rematch, and he deserves it at this point. I'm not really thrilled to have to hear about it from Chael for the next few months.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 30, 2012 13:46:30 GMT -5
The bottom line is that, going by the unified rules of MMA, Chael Sonnen won the fight.
We can debate about the rules needing to be changed, but he did what the rules stated he needed to do to win, with numerous takedowns... That's what Chael Sonnen is, folks. He's not going to knock people out. He's really kind of subpar on his feet, actually.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jan 30, 2012 15:07:58 GMT -5
Coolest picture I've seen in a while. My favorite wrestler and one of my top favorite MMA fighters? Hell Yeah.
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Post by 1992 on Jan 30, 2012 19:05:43 GMT -5
I'm not too disappointed though because when it happens - and it will happen, Bisping's title fight needs to be in England anyway, not Brazil. Sonnen vs Bisping II for the MWC in England if Bisping bounces back strong and Sonnen gets past Silva. Would easily be as big a rematch as Frankie/Gray 3 or Silva/Sonnen 2 if marketed the right way.
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Post by Sonnen on Jan 30, 2012 19:11:44 GMT -5
People keep talking about who out struck who to judge the rounds, but does Octagon control mean anything? Chael was up the cage wall for a good majority of one of the rounds.
Meh, I think Bisping won it, and this is coming from someone who wanted Chael to.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 30, 2012 19:24:32 GMT -5
...does anyone have any "insider knowledge" as to when the big Brazil (Silva/Sonnen 2) show will be taking place? We're planning a family holiday around June/July - and I don't want to be away for the show(!).
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Post by James Hetfield on Jan 31, 2012 16:32:25 GMT -5
It'll probably be mid-June.
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Post by Sonnen on Jan 31, 2012 23:53:16 GMT -5
...does anyone have any "insider knowledge" as to when the big Brazil (Silva/Sonnen 2) show will be taking place? We're planning a family holiday around June/July - and I don't want to be away for the show(!). Wow talk about ing dedication. LOL
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Post by SteveHulk on Feb 1, 2012 8:04:38 GMT -5
...does anyone have any "insider knowledge" as to when the big Brazil (Silva/Sonnen 2) show will be taking place? We're planning a family holiday around June/July - and I don't want to be away for the show(!). Wow talk about ing dedication. LOL They know my priorities... It's just it's going to be such a HUGE fight/event... I'd be gutted to miss it - hopefully we can work around the date though.
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