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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 14:02:20 GMT -5
Hey guys!
First off, let me say that while Shawn Michaels isn't my favorite of all time but he certainly is one of my favorites. There are only a couple of other guys I respect more than Shawn Michaels for what they've accomplished. Also, HBK is responsible for some of the greatest matches of all time. However, that being said I always felt that HBK in the 90s was a bit of a over seller.
What I mean is, when you watch some of Shawn's matches in the 90s he would constantly bump and flip and flop all around the ring in ways that just weren't...believeable. I think when Shawn returned in 2002 he was better than ever and with the exception of that Summerslam match with Hogan..he didn't really use the oversell technique.
I'm no professional wrestler nor have I had any formal training. However, I know what looks authentic and what doesn't. I always felt HBK in the 90s was a little phony. Anybody else feel this way?
Again, not trying to start any drama and that's not the purpose of this thread. I'm just curious as to how you other "old school" guys view this topic.
Thanks for reading!
EDIT: Here's a video I found of him overselling to Hogan at Summerslam. I know THIS particular sell job was meant to be a rib but I'm including it just for laughs:
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Dec 8, 2011 14:52:51 GMT -5
While he had some great matches back in the 90's, I still think that his 2002-2010 run was a hell of a lot better, with this probably being one of the factors.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 8, 2011 15:44:12 GMT -5
Its one reason why I was never a big Michaels fan. Nothing seemed real about him getting beat up.
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Post by K5 on Dec 8, 2011 15:53:24 GMT -5
at times it was great and at other times it was ridiculous and overdid it. still, when it worked, it worked.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 8, 2011 16:01:00 GMT -5
at times it was great and at other times it was ridiculous and overdid it. still, when it worked, it worked. About the best way it can be put. I honestly was a bigger fan of his second run in the E'. But I can say that during the early 90's I can see what you mean. He did over do things at the wrong times. But hey man, thats just apart of wrestling. I mean: |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 16:33:25 GMT -5
While he had some great matches back in the 90's, I still think that his 2002-2010 run was a hell of a lot better, with this probably being one of the factors. I agree 100% with this post. I feel that while he was very GOOD in the 90s his return was so much better because not only did he mature mentally but in the ring as well. Also, don't even get me started on the Flair flop(s). Ugh.... |
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Post by CF9™ on Dec 8, 2011 16:38:18 GMT -5
Its one reason why I was never a big Michaels fan. Nothing seemed real about him getting beat up. Shawn Michaels took the best beatings I've ever seen. Was it overdone sometimes? Yes. But most of the time it was fantastic. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 19:19:18 GMT -5
Its one reason why I was never a big Michaels fan. Nothing seemed real about him getting beat up. Hmm I dunno......Taker did a pretty good number on him in HIAC and the casket match.it felt pretty real and HBK was legit banged up after both matches. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 19:24:49 GMT -5
Overselling is awesome. It always gets me laughing
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Post by nibs92 on Dec 8, 2011 19:42:48 GMT -5
have to say i've seen the Flair flop countless times and it still makes me laugh. didn't Greg "the Hammer" do something similar where he would just fall flat without any body movement?
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 8, 2011 23:57:15 GMT -5
Its one reason why I was never a big Michaels fan. Nothing seemed real about him getting beat up. Hmm I dunno......Taker did a pretty good number on him in HIAC and the casket match.it felt pretty real and HBK was legit banged up after both matches. He wasnt as dramatic in his oversells in those matches either though. |
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Post by K5 on Dec 9, 2011 0:21:47 GMT -5
his matches w/ vader and sid were also well done, as over selling monsters makes perfect sense. which is a big reason hbk worked as the small man vs. larger man dynamic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 7:02:37 GMT -5
his matches w/ vader and sid were also well done, as over selling monsters makes perfect sense. which is a big reason hbk worked as the small man vs. larger man dynamic. its a pity he was such a dick in the 90s.his temper tantrums while working with Vader are an effin disgrace. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2011 7:51:14 GMT -5
I always thought the rock was over the top with selling the moves, cant recall one time he didnt push himself into the ropes and bouncing off after a stunner.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Dec 9, 2011 14:27:14 GMT -5
best in ring performer of all time.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Dec 9, 2011 15:06:47 GMT -5
I love overselling :')
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Post by nibs92 on Dec 9, 2011 19:29:33 GMT -5
Hey guys! First off, let me say that while Shawn Michaels isn't my favorite of all time but he certainly is one of my favorites. There are only a couple of other guys I respect more than Shawn Michaels for what they've accomplished. Also, HBK is responsible for some of the greatest matches of all time. However, that being said I always felt that HBK in the 90s was a bit of a over seller. What I mean is, when you watch some of Shawn's matches in the 90s he would constantly bump and flip and flop all around the ring in ways that just weren't...believeable. I think when Shawn returned in 2002 he was better than ever and with the exception of that Summerslam match with Hogan..he didn't really use the oversell technique. I'm no professional wrestler nor have I had any formal training. However, I know what looks authentic and what doesn't. I always felt HBK in the 90s was a little phony. Anybody else feel this way? Again, not trying to start any drama and that's not the purpose of this thread. I'm just curious as to how you other "old school" guys view this topic. Thanks for reading! EDIT: Here's a video I found of him overselling to Hogan at Summerslam. I know THIS particular sell job was meant to be a rib but I'm including it just for laughs: just watched the video clip and found it hilarious!! was it meant as a dig at Hogan? was there any backlash from Hogan after it? |
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Post by done on Dec 9, 2011 21:23:13 GMT -5
Overselling is awesome. It always gets me laughing |
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Post by Himmy! on Dec 10, 2011 9:13:34 GMT -5
Its taken me years to actually like Shawn Michaels, can't deny he's a great talent, he used to just do my head in. I actually love watching his matches now. He definitely oversold to the point of ridiculousness at times though.
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Post by Rule 30 on Dec 10, 2011 23:02:22 GMT -5
Speaking of over selling:
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