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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 4, 2012 23:21:15 GMT -5
I haven't seen much talk of this, so I thought I'd start one. The bill's name straight up seems they are going to take down Torrenting and Stop Free Music (Limewire) but this Bill can in fact take down sites like YouTube (Who are supporters of the bill) Facebook (Infact all social networking sites) Community sites like WFigs. It would heavily filter Search engine sites results. Some of the supporters of the Bill are YouTube, WWE, UFC, All of the major sports leagues (NHL, NFL, NBA), Most popular broadcasting stations (ABC, NBC, CBS). So what are your thoughts on SOPA?
(Dear Admins, please don't give me a warning bar because I mentioned torrenting, you've done it in the past)
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Post by Lk™ on Jan 4, 2012 23:23:51 GMT -5
Itll never work
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Jan 4, 2012 23:29:10 GMT -5
Taking down torrents and free music sites wouldn't bother me, infact I'd support it but taking down Youtube and Facebook etc is a bit far.
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Post by radicalpunk on Jan 4, 2012 23:40:23 GMT -5
i could've sworn i heard somewhere that youtube had a plan to adhere to the rules of sopa so they wouldn't be shut down.
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Post by slappy on Jan 4, 2012 23:40:46 GMT -5
Google owns Youtube and as far as I know Google opposes the bill.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jan 4, 2012 23:43:41 GMT -5
Taking down torrents and free music sites wouldn't bother me, infact I'd support it but taking down Youtube and Facebook etc is a bit far. if this bill passes, the way it's written right now, the internet would basically be censored as a whole. If you watch a video that has a Metallica song playing in the background, you could essentially be fined and potentially arrested, the way this bill is written. It's such an absurd bill, because even if it passes completely and they turn the internet into a police state, they will still fail to censor anything that they are truly after. Almost every torrent site is hosted and their servers are located in the Netherlands, where there is NO regulation against torrents and file sharing, and there never will be. Furthermore, anyone who's smart enough to effectively use file sharing programs (no, I don't mean going to one of the big public torrent sites and hitting download) also knows how to use proxies and VPN shields. With two clicks of a proxy, your ISP can't see any of the traffic you're using, anything you're downloading, or anything. they just see traffic, most directed to a site like Yahoo in appearance. The websites, who would be the ones doing the blocking through something widespread like a DNS block (similar to the ones already set up in North Korea to censor and control the internet there), would be easily bypassable with the same simple proxy, by reassigning your IP address as one from, drawing a name out of a hat, Russia. The website wouldn't see an American or British IP address, the address that says who and where you are, but rather a Russian (or whatever countries refuse to embrace this, and trust me, there'll be many) and let's it right in. It's all a matter of the tech geeks being about five steps ahead of those who try to control it. Why do you think Limewire went on for as long as it did before eventually being "stopped" and why do you think sites like pirate bay, very public, are able to outright LAUGH at things like this? Because they know that all these acts will ultimately do is block things they aren't intending to, like simple search engine results, filter out a few grade school kids looking to download the still in theaters Twilight, and 40 somethings who think the extent of the internet is playing Farmtown, but hear they can download Pink Floyd at freeillegalmusic.web (not a real site, don't freak out..). It'll stop people who don't know better, but the majority of the underground p2p community will still flourish.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jan 5, 2012 0:09:32 GMT -5
It's all a matter of the tech geeks being about five steps ahead of those who try to control it. Why do you think Limewire went on for as long as it did before eventually being "stopped" and why do you think sites like pirate bay, very public, are able to outright LAUGH at things like this? Because they know that all these acts will ultimately do is block things they aren't intending to, like simple search engine results, filter out a few grade school kids looking to download the still in theaters Twilight, and 40 somethings who think the extent of the internet is playing Farmtown, but hear they can download Pink Floyd at freeillegalmusic.web (not a real site, don't freak out..). It'll stop people who don't know better, but the majority of the underground p2p community will still flourish. That's the way I see it. Even if this bill passes, it's just going to motivate the act of piracy. People will always find ways around these blockades.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 5, 2012 4:58:38 GMT -5
Google doesn't support SOPA. And let's just say that for some reason, somehow YouTube (an entity owned by Google) did: SOPA would kill YouTube dead in the water, and everyone knows it. They'd either be entirely mislead (as in fail to understand the sheer magnitude of this bill) or utterly insane to support something that will scare off their userbase.
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Post by nwo4life on Jan 5, 2012 5:04:31 GMT -5
the only part i support about it is the WWE PPV streams. i dont like how WWE's buyrates suffers just because some cheap bastards dont want to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 5:29:28 GMT -5
the only part i support about it is the WWE PPV streams. i dont like how WWE's buyrates suffers just because some cheap bastards dont want to pay. Them don't charge so god damn much for every pay per view lol I used to order every show but now its ridiculous, especially if I can just wait a couple hours and watch it online rather than spend hard earned money on a show that could be as bad as December 2 Dismember.
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Post by extreme on Jan 5, 2012 6:44:39 GMT -5
A lot of companies are dropping out of support for the bill because its been giving them a bad reputation amongst people.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 5, 2012 6:57:51 GMT -5
I say pass it. Then the government can finally deal with a backlash they don't want. Sure they can pass NDAA, they can cause literally everything wrong with America. Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc have said when SOPA passes they'll blackout. Watch the American public freak out when they can't do what they do every day. Want to post your drunken photos online? Too bad, the government stopped you. If it doesn't pass, all it means is politicians want to keep in office to keep making money for doing more stupid crap companies want.
Also there's no point in trying to stop piracy. People have done it for years. What do you think tape trading was? What were people doing when they ripped songs from radio? Format changes, that's all. Companies need to evolve with the times, sell to who wants to buy, and give them a product worth paying for. Big companies are afraid that smaller companies can finally play at their field without sinking millions into something. This isn't really about censoring in a way, it's about companies trying to maintain what they're afraid they're losing.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 5, 2012 7:10:19 GMT -5
Many supporters are going to stop supporting it - I think - due to the backlash GoDaddy.com has received. Regardless of who or how many stop publicly supporting it, many will still cheer it on.. just not publicly thus to save face.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jan 5, 2012 7:56:50 GMT -5
Well as of right now
Microsoft Sony Google Nintendo
and many many other large corporations are removing support and this thing is losing steam fast. Which is an excellent thing. It's one thing to work against piracy it's another to control the internet which is why this bill will never be passed.
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Post by The Highwayman on Jan 5, 2012 8:19:37 GMT -5
Well as of right now Microsoft Sony Google Nintendo and many many other large corporations are removing support and this thing is losing steam fast. Which is an excellent thing. It's one thing to work against piracy it's another to control the internet which is why this bill will never be passed.
Basically exactly what I was going to say. There's a big gap between sites that illegally stream content for downloading and sites like youtube, etc. I'd also be willing to bet that the media producers against online piracy also greatly benefit from sites like youtube where I feel like a lot of people go to hear a song or something before they may eventually buy it.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 5, 2012 9:15:35 GMT -5
Google owns Youtube and as far as I know Google opposes the bill. Yes. Your facts are all wrong. Don't get me wrong, SOPA is bad, but Google doesn't support it, it won't affect torrenting and Limewire is piracy, not "free music."
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jan 5, 2012 9:27:33 GMT -5
Google owns Youtube and as far as I know Google opposes the bill. Yes. Your facts are all wrong. Don't get me wrong, SOPA is bad, but Google doesn't support it, it won't affect torrenting and Limewire is piracy, not "free music." Well, piracy usually results in 'free music'.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 5, 2012 10:11:32 GMT -5
Yes. Your facts are all wrong. Don't get me wrong, SOPA is bad, but Google doesn't support it, it won't affect torrenting and Limewire is piracy, not "free music." Well, piracy usually results in 'free music'. Armed robbery results in free money. Not sure what your point is.
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Post by ß®å¢K$ßâ¢k on Jan 5, 2012 11:20:21 GMT -5
I suggest everyone watch the full thing. This SOPA thing is bullsht and quite frankly, I believe it's unconstitutional.
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Post by slappy on Jan 5, 2012 12:48:11 GMT -5
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