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Post by Ace Bennett on Jan 6, 2012 19:46:50 GMT -5
I use that project vote smart website that was posted a few weeks back every so often. When I only answer the questions that are really important to me, Gary Johnson and Obama are the two that take the lead, but I'd have to do a lot more research before then so I can make an educated decision.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jan 6, 2012 20:03:04 GMT -5
I really, REALLY hope Ron Paul wins, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 6, 2012 21:41:29 GMT -5
Probably because the media make him out to be the greatest thing since Jesus Christ over here in the UK. (maybe he has his reasons though but its just my guess_ Am I the only one who can't help but think he got voted in purely because he was black? It seemed like everyone thought, 'Well our country is f*cked, so lets seek change and vote for a black guy'. Santorum would be my best bet, but hey, i'm not american. He got voted in because people here are sick and tired of politics as usual. He positioned himself as an outsider who could and would bring change to Washington and how business was done there. People bought it hook, line and sinker.
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Post by nwo4life on Jan 6, 2012 23:55:39 GMT -5
And no Zigs, he wasn't elected just because he was black. The platform that he ran on was arguably one of the strongest platforms in years...and plus, whatever Democrat had won the party nomination was probably going to win the election anyways because we had just had eight years of Bush and the Republicans. The color of his skin was a good feel-good moment for a lot of people, even if they hated his politics, but that was the extent of it in my opinion. Whenever a woman wins the presidential election, it'll be the same. It'll be a feel-good moment from that aspect...but that's about it. She'll be elected because of her politics, not just because she's a woman. I have to disagree, alot of people were saying "If you dont vote for Obama then your Racist". i know it sounds dumb but it led people to subconsiously vote for him. On topic. I hope to god that Ron Paul wins.
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Jan 7, 2012 0:40:13 GMT -5
If the Republican nominee is Paul or Huntsman, it'll be a toss up between them and Obama.
If the Republican nominee is neither Paul nor Huntsman, Obama definitely.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 7, 2012 3:39:34 GMT -5
Am I the only one who can't help but think he got voted in purely because he was black? It seemed like everyone thought, 'Well our country is f*cked, so lets seek change and vote for a black guy'. Santorum would be my best bet, but hey, i'm not american. Well these two sentences pretty much go hand in hand for an insane person. At least you're consistent with your craziness. I use that project vote smart website that was posted a few weeks back every so often. When I only answer the questions that are really important to me, Gary Johnson and Obama are the two that take the lead, but I'd have to do a lot more research before then so I can make an educated decision. I don't mean to pry, but I'm interested in how you answered the questions if those were your two top results. They're very much opposites on most things. Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are almost identical on most things, with a few exceptions. If Gary Johnson was your top person, with Obama second (or vice versa), I have to imagine you did it wrong. LMAO.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 7, 2012 4:14:55 GMT -5
Am I the only one who can't help but think he got voted in purely because he was black? It seemed like everyone thought, 'Well our country is f*cked, so lets seek change and vote for a black guy'. Santorum would be my best bet, but hey, i'm not american. Well these two sentences pretty much go hand in hand for an insane person. At least you're consistent with your craziness. I use that project vote smart website that was posted a few weeks back every so often. When I only answer the questions that are really important to me, Gary Johnson and Obama are the two that take the lead, but I'd have to do a lot more research before then so I can make an educated decision. I don't mean to pry, but I'm interested in how you answered the questions if those were your two top results. They're very much opposites on most things. Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are almost identical on most things, with a few exceptions. If Gary Johnson was your top person, with Obama second (or vice versa), I have to imagine you did it wrong. LMAO. I got the exact same results on Project Vote Smart. Both Obama and Johnson were in the low 50%'s. What is with this idea that you have to share all of your political positions with one party/candidate?
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Post by King Clayton of the MidWest on Jan 7, 2012 4:15:47 GMT -5
Ron Paul is probably going to win this.
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Post by Word™ on Jan 7, 2012 4:23:49 GMT -5
I believe in my R3 technology..
Ron Paul wins.
Ron Paul gets assassinated.
Revolution.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 7, 2012 4:26:27 GMT -5
I got the exact same results on Project Vote Smart. Both Obama and Johnson were in the low 50%'s. What is with this idea that you have to share all of your political positions with one party/candidate? You don't have to, by any means. All I'm saying is that Obama and Johnson are very different on almost everything, while Paul and Johnson are very similar. My guess is that you just don't have a lot of consistency in your views.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 7, 2012 4:34:50 GMT -5
Well these two sentences pretty much go hand in hand for an insane person. At least you're consistent with your craziness. I don't mean to pry, but I'm interested in how you answered the questions if those were your two top results. They're very much opposites on most things. Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are almost identical on most things, with a few exceptions. If Gary Johnson was your top person, with Obama second (or vice versa), I have to imagine you did it wrong. LMAO. I got the exact same results on Project Vote Smart. Both Obama and Johnson were in the low 50%'s. What is with this idea that you have to share all of your political positions with one party/candidate? Mine was similar with Obama(he was up by 10%), Huntsman, and Johnson. I think the site needs a lot more questions, and get a bit more in depth to really determine it. But when I've read about all 3 of them, I can see myself voting for any of them, policy wise. I can't see myself voting for Obama after how he handled Congress, passing NDAA, and support of SOPA. I don't know the other two candidates positions, other than I'm guessing Johnson being a libertarian wouldn't have gone for any of them. I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says, but I may vote for him if he gets the nomination because right now I want a president who just has a pair of balls and doesn't mind telling someone off. Ron Paul seems closest to being that guy. We have a really awful government right now and I think what we need is the guy willing to gut it. Doesn't mean I love all his positions, but I've been warming up to the idea of him doing it lately; especially with NDAA and SOPA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 4:39:51 GMT -5
I like Ron Paul on paper, I think he's a great intellectual and have several friends that like him - that being said, I don't think most of his newest followers understand what he's about. Some liberals like him because of his foreign policy, some neo-conservatives like him because of his fiscal conservatism - but they don't know the WHOLE him. But think about it...TOTALLY getting rid of all fiscal government programs? Totally rid social security, any form of welfare, disability, etc.? I have a lot of respect for Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard as intellectuals, but making their fiscal policy reality - that is EXTREMELY radical. It's kind of scary. Imagine the rioting and violence we'd have as a backlash from totally deleting welfare.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 7, 2012 5:25:14 GMT -5
The thing that's important to remember about Ron Paul is that he isn't for the immediate removal of those programs, but rather the weening off of them.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 7, 2012 8:45:18 GMT -5
Ron Paul is probably going to win this. I'll bet any amount of money you want to name that Paul does not win the nomination.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jan 7, 2012 13:03:15 GMT -5
Obama will dominate, and if I were American I'd vote for him. Why? Just curious. I'm quite similar to him on multiple issues. With the economy, I agreed with his spending and also felt he chose a fairly good time to begin cutting, without plunging the US into another recession. I am positive about his healthcare reforms and hope that in the future they can be taken further. I was dissapointed to see Cap and Trade fail, but hope that he can attempt to pass other forms of climate change regulation. TBH the healthcare thing alone is enough to make me support Obama due to the Republican's raw hatred for it, but I actually identify with him on lots of issues. The thing that's important to remember about Ron Paul is that he isn't for the immediate removal of those programs, but rather the weening off of them. Can I just ask, if Ron Paul did get in, has he said anything about how he'll get reforms past a Congress that will contain Democrats hostile to a Republican President and Republicans who probably still hold the 'anyone but Ron Paul' mentality, whilst still reducing Presidential power like he wants to? Its a problem with his candidacy that has always interested me, and you're the most informed person I know on the matter.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 7, 2012 15:20:05 GMT -5
Can I just ask, if Ron Paul did get in, has he said anything about how he'll get reforms past a Congress that will contain Democrats hostile to a Republican President and Republicans who probably still hold the 'anyone but Ron Paul' mentality, whilst still reducing Presidential power like he wants to? Its a problem with his candidacy that has always interested me, and you're the most informed person I know on the matter. That's all going to be a battle, just like it is for Obama with a Republican-filled Congress. He can't just past things through, either. However being President, Ron Paul would have the opportunity to expose these people as the criminals they are. When the party doesn't vote for something that clearly makes sense (remember the majority of people will have voted for Ron Paul and people tend to stick with their President above their Congress representatives), he will be able to say, "THESE people are the problem." But I actually think it's interesting because there is a LOT Ron Paul can do without Congress' approval by simply removing other Presidents' executive orders: www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.htmlNot only that, but I think one of the most important duties of a President is NOT signing bills that are obviously complete bullshit. Obama hasn't done that. In fact, Obama has signed in countless laws that should realistically be completely illegal and Ron Paul would have NEVER done that.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 7, 2012 15:29:46 GMT -5
I weep for America that this guy is the most likely Republican nominee.
Honestly, it's like we're all in some weird genetic experiment where they give us the worst possible options, flood us with the claims that only THEY can be the next President and everyone just goes along with it.
Like his policies or not, Ron Paul is the only person running as a Republican or Democrat who isn't a lying piece of shit. THE ONLY ONE.
That is the most important thing, in my mind, when it comes to being a President. Don't flip-flop. Don't tell me that you're going to immediately bring home the troops and then send MORE TROOPS than Bush ever did, Mr. Obama. Don't tell me that you dislike the Patriot Act and then re-sign it at your first possible opportunity, Mr. Obama.
And Mitt Romney, I don't even have enough words to describe you, you phony piece of shit.
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Post by ICW on Jan 7, 2012 15:37:13 GMT -5
Oh please. To say Ron Paul is any different is insane.
They all lie.
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Post by Adam on Jan 7, 2012 15:44:44 GMT -5
Oh please. To say Ron Paul is any different is insane. They all lie. Check his voting record and get back to me.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 7, 2012 15:46:07 GMT -5
Oh please. To say Ron Paul is any different is insane. They all lie. Let me know where he has lied. This dude is the reason I give a crapabout politics. Because he's so ing consistent that it's almost aggravating to everyone.
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