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Post by wabarrett on Jan 8, 2012 14:41:13 GMT -5
This can be moved to the Classics Wrestling board if needs be, but I just have a question about the aftermath of Survivor Series 2001. I've basically forgotten what happened.
Ric Flair came back and announced he owns 50% of the WWF. William Regal kissed Mr. McMahon's ass to keep his job. Test won immunity from being fired for a year. The current Champions all kept their jobs. Flair kept Austin and McMahon kept Angle because he saved the WWE. Now, my question is, how the hell did everyone else remain in WWE?
One of the biggest let down's of the Invasion angle is that it lead to nothing and left us with a Roster that was too big, something that WWE still suffers from to this day.
But anyway, if anyone can fill me in on this that'd be great. Either I've completely forgotten or they never explained it.
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Post by The-Rock on Jan 8, 2012 14:51:12 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, certain superstars were given matches to win contracts. I remember that Test, Regal, Christian, RVD, and the Dudleys all kept their jobs since they were champions/immunity. But the ironic thing is that RVD is the only person there that wasn't in the WWF before the invasion. I would agree that the roster has been "too big" since then, mostly with guys no one wants to see. I remember owning figures being like "OH SHIT!" when all the alliance guys debuted. It was way before I knew how to customize and I didn't eve have figures of most of the wwf guys that went to the alliance.
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Post by Zeke on Jan 8, 2012 19:25:52 GMT -5
I believe Booker T did a favor for Vince and attacked Austin.
Lance Storm tried winning matches to get a roster spot, but lost to Kane and Big Show, but he finally beat the Rock.
Hurricane was hired by Flair, because the WWF needed a superhero,
DDP beat the Big Bossman to gain a roster spot.
All the rest came back with the draft. I believe I'm right, but may be wrong. (:
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Post by DTP. on Jan 8, 2012 19:53:11 GMT -5
Pretty much Zeke.
Also I feel like you're wrong on the whole "Huge roster, that the company suffers from to this day". From how I see it, it's tiny. And it's tiny because there's virtually no roster depth, certain superstars are merely not over enough to be considered worthy.
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Post by jakks1996collector on Jan 8, 2012 20:41:29 GMT -5
We've only got 3 legit stars (full-time) on the roster - CM Punk, Chris Jericho, John Cena. HHH is about retired, as is Undertaker, and Rock is only coming back for WM.
Compared to only 2 years ago when we had HBK, HHH, Batista, Edge, Jericho, and Undertaker to go along with Cena.
The roster seems pretty thin at the moment. If not for Punk breaking out last summer and Jericho returning, the WWE would be in trouble right now for Wrestlemania season.
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Post by King of Kings on Jan 8, 2012 20:43:31 GMT -5
I remember there was a storyline for months with Lance Storm working as a janitor in WWF New York after not winning matches to get a job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 22:09:52 GMT -5
We've only got 3 legit stars (full-time) on the roster - CM Punk, Chris Jericho, John Cena. HHH is about retired, as is Undertaker, and Rock is only coming back for WM. Compared to only 2 years ago when we had HBK, HHH, Batista, Edge, Jericho, and Undertaker to go along with Cena. The roster seems pretty thin at the moment. If not for Punk breaking out last summer and Jericho returning, the WWE would be in trouble right now for Wrestlemania season. Orton Big Show Mark Henry Christian Del Rio Kane Mysterio Miz All pretty legit....... |
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Post by nwo4life on Jan 8, 2012 23:42:05 GMT -5
We've only got 3 legit stars (full-time) on the roster - CM Punk, Chris Jericho, John Cena. HHH is about retired, as is Undertaker, and Rock is only coming back for WM. Compared to only 2 years ago when we had HBK, HHH, Batista, Edge, Jericho, and Undertaker to go along with Cena. The roster seems pretty thin at the moment. If not for Punk breaking out last summer and Jericho returning, the WWE would be in trouble right now for Wrestlemania season. Orton Big Show Mark Henry Christian Del Rio Kane Mysterio Miz All pretty legit....... 2008-09 Randy Orton Big Show Kane Rey Mysterio John Cena Edge Shawn Michaels Batista HHH Undertaker Chris Jericho JBL Jeff Hardy Mr. Kennedy Umaga The Great Khaili So yeah, todays roster isnt that "star powered" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 23:56:48 GMT -5
Orton Big Show Mark Henry Christian Del Rio Kane Mysterio Miz All pretty legit....... 2008-09 Randy Orton Big Show Kane Rey Mysterio John Cena Edge Shawn Michaels Batista HHH Undertaker Chris Jericho JBL Jeff Hardy Mr. Kennedy Umaga The Great Khaili So yeah, todays roster isnt that "star powered" Considering many of those people are retired, it's to be expected. Also, not sure why Kennedy is on that list..... |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jan 9, 2012 0:13:28 GMT -5
We've only got 3 legit stars (full-time) on the roster - CM Punk, Chris Jericho, John Cena. HHH is about retired, as is Undertaker, and Rock is only coming back for WM. Compared to only 2 years ago when we had HBK, HHH, Batista, Edge, Jericho, and Undertaker to go along with Cena. The roster seems pretty thin at the moment. If not for Punk breaking out last summer and Jericho returning, the WWE would be in trouble right now for Wrestlemania season. Orton Big Show Mark Henry Christian Del Rio Kane Mysterio Miz All pretty legit....... I think that by legit he means people that are always on the title picture or part of the main feuds. Going by that logic, Big Show, Christian, Kane, Mysterio and Miz are "not legit stars". Henry's future after this feud isn't certain at all, and while Orton and Del Rio are legit stars, they are currently injured. |
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 9, 2012 7:50:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses people, some of it is coming back to me now.
As for the new discussion in this thread, one thing people have to remember is, while there is less star power right now (even that is debatable IMO), there is way more potential and far more rising stars. In 2008, sure all those names mentioned above were around, but after that, the roster was terrible.
Now we have star power in Orton, Cena, Jericho, Kane, Mysterio, CM Punk, Big Show and the occasional appearances of Triple H and Undertaker.
Then we have plenty of rising stars like Barrett, Miz, Ryder, Del Rio Rhodes, Ziggler, Sheamus, and Daniel Bryan as our World Champion.
And of course there are the older talents who finally broke into the Main Event in the last year, such as Christian, R-Truth and Mark Henry.
I think the roster is great. It's just too big. Argue with that all you like, but what are Alex Riley, Tyson Kidd, The Usos, Yoshi Tatsu, Curt Hawkins, William Regal, Tyler Reks, Michael McGillicutty, JTG, Big Zeke and Trent Barreta doing right now? Also, who cares about Jinder Mahal?
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Jan 9, 2012 8:07:38 GMT -5
Thank god I was a kid back then & really enjoyed it. The ICW's nit picking would've no doubt ruined it.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 9, 2012 8:11:50 GMT -5
Thank god I was a kid back then & really enjoyed it. The ICW's nit picking would've no doubt ruined it. Hey, I'm not bitching, just asking a question. I really enjoyed the Invasion storyline, but I remember losing interest after it ended because nothing came of it. Everyone who got fired was back within weeks. But that aside, I agree with you. I'm sure 10 years ago people were bitching on the internet about how the Invasion sucked because Sting and Goldberg and the NWO weren't dominating WWE guys for half a year. |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 9, 2012 11:32:32 GMT -5
Thank god I was a kid back then & really enjoyed it. The ICW's nit picking would've no doubt ruined it. Hey, I'm not bitching, just asking a question. I really enjoyed the Invasion storyline, but I remember losing interest after it ended because nothing came of it. Everyone who got fired was back within weeks. But that aside, I agree with you. I'm sure 10 years ago people were bitching on the internet about how the Invasion sucked because Sting and Goldberg and the NWO weren't dominating WWE guys for half a year. Actually, if memory serves, the "IWC's" problem with the invasion was basically what you are saying now. Nothing really came of it, and there was no consistency to it. |
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 9, 2012 11:36:33 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not bitching, just asking a question. I really enjoyed the Invasion storyline, but I remember losing interest after it ended because nothing came of it. Everyone who got fired was back within weeks. But that aside, I agree with you. I'm sure 10 years ago people were bitching on the internet about how the Invasion sucked because Sting and Goldberg and the NWO weren't dominating WWE guys for half a year. Actually, if memory serves, the "IWC's" problem with the invasion was basically what you are saying now. Nothing really came of it, and there was no consistency to it. Really? Nobody complained every week when The Alliance didn't come out 'looking strong'?  |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 9, 2012 13:04:55 GMT -5
Actually, if memory serves, the "IWC's" problem with the invasion was basically what you are saying now. Nothing really came of it, and there was no consistency to it. Really? Nobody complained every week when The Alliance didn't come out 'looking strong'? Well, I'm pretty sure there were complaints that it was incredibly one-sided (although it logically HAD to be if you really thought about it -- silly for WWE to look bad on their own show), I think the bigger problem was that you never knew whose side anyone was on to the point that it was stupid, and the titles changed hands like every other week during that period of time. |
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Post by drifter on Jan 9, 2012 13:09:59 GMT -5
Whenever I think of the after math of SS 01, it's how they killed the golden goose, especially with the big names of WCW that ended up coming around, in the year after the storyline ended. The money spent on trying to get that talent earlier would have been made back easily with a properly done storyline. I mean you could have had it go on for years.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 9, 2012 13:12:55 GMT -5
Whenever I think of the after math of SS 01, it's how they killed the golden goose, especially with the big names of WCW that ended up coming around, in the year after the storyline ended. The money spent on trying to get that talent earlier would have been made back easily with a properly done storyline. I mean you could have had it go on for years. Well, Vince WANTED to continue Nitro, but couldn't get a TV slot for it... So, obviously, the storyline ended up convoluted because of that. |
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