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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 24, 2012 18:33:31 GMT -5
Just wondering why the majority of the IWC have a problem w/ Goldberg? Whenever his name is brought up the IWC goes crazy w/ hate.
I always liked the Goldberg character. Sure, his matches for the most part wern't great, but his character was a wrecking machine. He was suppose to dominate his opponent w/ only a few moves. The few moves he did do looked great and devastating. As for selling, the guy was good at selling injuries and moves. Just look at his feud w/ HHH when he sold his ankle injury.
As for Bill Goldberg the person, I hear alot that he is an ungrateful ass, but from the shoots I've seen he seems like a genuine guy who cared about the fans. Sure, he may have had somewhat of an ego, but look at half the WWE roster in the last few years. Batista, from what I've heard, was 10x worse than Bill.
I've also heard people claim that part of his deal w/ the WWE was that he was to get a world title run, but this is B.S. imo. Vince wouldn't guaruntee a world title run to anybody if there was a chance they wouldn't draw. Also, unless somebody has a copy of Bill's WWE contract, then this is crap.
Can anybody shed light on the Bill Goldberg hate?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 19:00:59 GMT -5
pretty sure we already a thread like this...
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Post by jakksking1 on Jan 24, 2012 19:54:31 GMT -5
There are a lot of reasons. He wasn't a great wrestler (IWC adores workrate, as you know). He didn't earn his stripes, as they pushed him from the second he had a match in WCW. 95% of his matches in WCW were against jobbers. He was reckless in the ring (exhibit 1: ending Bret Hart's career). He mailed in what should have been a major Wrestlemania match.
I loved Goldberg's WCW run, but there are plenty of reasons fans don't like him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 22:51:21 GMT -5
I mainly dislike Goldberg because I felt his hype was a little undeserved.
He was OKAY in the ring. He was OKAY on the mic. He was an OKAY gimmick.
Nothing about him really popped or stood out to me.
He wasn't as good as Bret in the ring. He wasn't as good as Stone Cold on the mic. He wasn't as good as The Rock as a gimmick.
Just...meh...he was okay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 8:25:33 GMT -5
I have never had a problem with Goldberg.
I enjoyed his WCW stuff tremendously in 98 and his match with Steiner at Fall Brawl 2000 is one of my faves.fans go nuts about Goldberg ending Brets career and how clumsy he was etc etc but quite honestly Owen Hart nearly crippled Austin and shaved YEARS off his career.never a word about that.
his WWE run was a train wreck because of the way he was booked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 12:36:58 GMT -5
I agree about his WWE run. That was a total disaster and not his fault at all. Horrible booking all around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 17:48:47 GMT -5
I agree about his WWE run. That was a total disaster and not his fault at all. Horrible booking all around. yup....especially at Summerslam 03.the fact that HHH didnt drop the title that night when he was injured and couldnt compete(hence the ridiclous shorts)drives me nuts to this day |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 25, 2012 20:53:45 GMT -5
I agree about his WWE run. That was a total disaster and not his fault at all. Horrible booking all around. yup....especially at Summerslam 03.the fact that HHH didnt drop the title that night when he was injured and couldnt compete(hence the ridiclous shorts)drives me nuts to this day Agreed 110%. After literally killing off every face on Raw for the last year at that point, you'd think that Hunter's ego would have been satisfied enough for him to drop the title to Goldberg while he was injured. The fact that he went over in that match proved how big of an ego Hunter has. It killed all the momentum Goldberg had at that point. Besides for the stupid backstage promo w/ Goldust, I thought that the first half of Goldberg's WWE run was good. He went through The Rock, Jericho, and Christian in about 3 months and was on a good run. It wasn't until he got to Hunter that his WWE run went south imo. Hunter killed all the momentum Goldberg had built during the first half of his run, and after Hunter was finished w/ him, Goldberg was put into a stupid feud w/ La Resistance and The Coach, and then went into his heavily hyped feud and dud of a match w/ Lesnar. Had HHH put Goldberg over cleanly and not made him look like a joke, I think people would have a much better look on Goldberg's WWE run. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 21:47:36 GMT -5
I always liked goldberg back in wcw. Maybe it was because i was a kid around that time and thought he was cool. But now i look back and realize that he's not as bad as everyone says. I like the gimmick he had and didn't have this crazy colorful look. Like stone cold he wore all black.
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Post by K5 on Jan 25, 2012 23:47:43 GMT -5
he was fun to watch, albeit dangerous to his opponents. his wwe run was a letdown.
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Post by June on Jan 26, 2012 11:16:15 GMT -5
Goldberg was the total package, his run in WWE was sabotaged and he still got over. The IWC hate is silly to me. The guy delivered in the ring and gave the fans what they wanted out of him, and that's spectacle, action and raw power.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 11:29:39 GMT -5
Goldberg was the total package, his run in WWE was sabotaged and he still got over. The IWC hate is silly to me. The guy delivered in the ring and gave the fans what they wanted out of him, and that's spectacle, action and raw power. true-people didnt want armbars from Goldberg they wanted the smashmouth stuff like when he speared Rosie(or Jamal)through the barrier. that was the sauce people wanted from Goldberg..... now people piss all over him for it-I genuinely dont get it. |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jan 26, 2012 11:38:19 GMT -5
I love Goldberg, really I do, I never saw much of his WCW stuff, so my opinion isn't based on WCW. In WWE, I thought he was just insane, such a great gimmick and feel to him, he was hard-hitting and was just all around cool.
His match against Trips at Unforgiven 03 was great, its one of my MOTY for that year, and the Elimination Chamber is my favourite one of those, alot due to Bill, just so smash-mouth, you really believed that he could kill anyone who got in his way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 11:45:46 GMT -5
during SSlam 03 I marked like a mother  er when HHH wouldnt come out of his pod and Goldberg just kicked it in.......I was like "YES THIS IS IT!!!!!!!" oh boy.....did they ever screw the pooch on that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 13:39:04 GMT -5
during SSlam 03 I marked like a mother er when HHH wouldnt come out of his pod and Goldberg just kicked it in.......I was like "YES THIS IS IT!!!!!!!" oh boy.....did they ever screw the pooch on that one. I remember Goldberg's face was priceless. Then HHH went over...an groin pull injured HHH in bicycle shorts went over. Garbage. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 14:26:14 GMT -5
during SSlam 03 I marked like a mother er when HHH wouldnt come out of his pod and Goldberg just kicked it in.......I was like "YES THIS IS IT!!!!!!!" oh boy.....did they ever screw the pooch on that one. I remember Goldberg's face was priceless. Then HHH went over...an groin pull injured HHH in bicycle shorts went over. Garbage. awful wasnt it?HHH couldnt wrestle for weeks afterward too.......and the less said about "The Bounty" the better.the guys in the 80s were offering twice that for beat downs. utter shite.I would love to beat Stephanie "billion $$ boobjob" McMahon with my belt buckle for 2003.it was the height of her idiocy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 14:35:21 GMT -5
I'd love to beat Stephanie and her billion dollar boob job with my...
Nevermind.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 15:50:53 GMT -5
I'd love to beat Stephanie and her billion dollar boob job with my... Nevermind. oh Id go there too.......but shes totally a novelty screw IMO. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 26, 2012 16:56:21 GMT -5
during SSlam 03 I marked like a mother er when HHH wouldnt come out of his pod and Goldberg just kicked it in.......I was like "YES THIS IS IT!!!!!!!" oh boy.....did they ever screw the pooch on that one. This. I remember marking out that big when he did that. After burrying guys like RVD, Kane, Steiner, Booker T, and Kevin Nash for the last year, it was the perfect moment for Hunter to finally get what was coming to him. Then when Hunter got the win I remember the crowd became dead while Evolution beat the crap out of him. I've heard Hunter marks try to explain that it was good Hunter went over, but the bottom line is that he shouldn't. Hunter was hurt, and Goldberg's whole character was dominating his opponents right away. Goldberg defeat Raven for the U.S. Title and Hogan for the World Title on his first trys. His character was never built to chase the title. He was built to dominate his opponents on his first try. Hunter going over was complete BS. |
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jan 26, 2012 23:04:27 GMT -5
He entertained the hell out of me as a kid. So, he did his job. Guy's alright in my book.
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