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Post by comintogetcha on Feb 3, 2012 1:47:53 GMT -5
Try catching them as they are arriving at the arena See, now this I have no problem with. The issue however is that just about every arena these days has private parking for the performers that isn't accessible to the public. Randy Orton isn't paying $20 to park his rental car in the same dirt lot across the arena that you did.
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Post by Sound888 on Feb 3, 2012 2:20:42 GMT -5
All it really matters is what kind of person you are. There are, of course, the oddballs waiting for the wrestlers, but you do not have to be that guy.
99% of the time, the wrestlers are not upset by the idea of being "stalked", but because most the fans who do this are completely rude and disrespectful. Guys like CM Punk and Randy Orton, from my experiences, enjoy interacting with respectful fans.
You can't tell me that Punk hates ALL fans who wait in public for him because he stopped and even talked to me and my friends 3 out of 4 times we met him. The same John Cena that walked passed a group of children asking for his autograph stopped for me when I approached him without shoving a picture in his face.
I'm sure a lot of you are against this idea, but it's just a hobby. And it's not like we do it all the time. WWE comes to the city at most twice a year, and it's only a day or two we spend on the road going to the shows anyway.
I almost never have a bad story to tell. I mean in the end, not many people can say they met guys like Punk, Orton, Triple H, Cena, Edge, Jericho, and everyone else on the roster.
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 3, 2012 7:36:27 GMT -5
Waiting outside of the arena when they come out, I say thats fine, they should expect that but at the airport at stupid o'clock in the morning after they've just had a flight and all they wanna do is relax, get something to eat and drink, then getting a picture or figure shoved in their face and getting asked for a picture, thats too far imo, hats off to them for not telling people to off.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 3, 2012 8:20:17 GMT -5
Try catching them as they are arriving at the arena See, now this I have no problem with. The issue however is that just about every arena these days has private parking for the performers that isn't accessible to the public. Randy Orton isn't paying $20 to park his rental car in the same dirt lot across the arena that you did. So you have no issue "stalking" at one's place of work? Waiting outside of the arena when they come out, I say thats fine, they should expect that but at the airport at stupid o'clock in the morning after they've just had a flight and all they wanna do is relax, get something to eat and drink, then getting a picture or figure shoved in their face and getting asked for a picture, thats too far imo, hats off to them for not telling people to off. Expect that? Why is "stalking" at one's place of work acceptable, but not at a public place like a hotel or airport? You still sought out info. to find out where they are gonna be at. Its not like you accidentally bumped into them at the arena.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Feb 3, 2012 8:49:01 GMT -5
Haha exactly. Double standards ftw.
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Post by deskjet on Feb 3, 2012 9:25:18 GMT -5
Oh this is fun. I only wanted to say that historically, psychopaths aren't even able to be noticed in public. That's part of what works for them..ie..John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, jack the ripper. In movies, look at Hannibal lecter.
While the term stalking/harassment carries more legal weight to it and is defined in such manner, both encompass obsessive behaviors and is deemed legal to the point that the target feels threatened. Per the definition of stalking, Following wrestlers around, especially ones that you've seen numorous times before is obsessive and depending on the individual, unwanted. However becasue there is not a deemed threat, it's legal. However, just becasue it's legal does not mean it's the right thing to do. Gettin drunk, smoking a cig, having unprotected sex, are all legal, but...well u get my drift. I personally find it odd, but if people are respectful about it and not trying to abuse the opportunities...have at it.
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 3, 2012 10:27:41 GMT -5
See, now this I have no problem with. The issue however is that just about every arena these days has private parking for the performers that isn't accessible to the public. Randy Orton isn't paying $20 to park his rental car in the same dirt lot across the arena that you did. So you have no issue "stalking" at one's place of work? Waiting outside of the arena when they come out, I say thats fine, they should expect that but at the airport at stupid o'clock in the morning after they've just had a flight and all they wanna do is relax, get something to eat and drink, then getting a picture or figure shoved in their face and getting asked for a picture, thats too far imo, hats off to them for not telling people to off. Expect that? Why is "stalking" at one's place of work acceptable, but not at a public place like a hotel or airport? You still sought out info. to find out where they are gonna be at. Its not like you accidentally bumped into them at the arena. Lets say youre a WWE superstar, getting a flight like every other day, youll want to relax after the plane ride, do you really want fans shoving things in your face and asking for pictures and autogrpahs while you're trying to look for your luggage and get to the hotel because I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Post by comintogetcha on Feb 3, 2012 11:03:49 GMT -5
See, now this I have no problem with. The issue however is that just about every arena these days has private parking for the performers that isn't accessible to the public. Randy Orton isn't paying $20 to park his rental car in the same dirt lot across the arena that you did. So you have no issue "stalking" at one's place of work? You're obviously trolling now, so I'm finished having this discussion.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Feb 3, 2012 11:23:48 GMT -5
So you have no issue "stalking" at one's place of work? Expect that? Why is "stalking" at one's place of work acceptable, but not at a public place like a hotel or airport? You still sought out info. to find out where they are gonna be at. Its not like you accidentally bumped into them at the arena. Lets say youre a WWE superstar, getting a flight like every other day, youll want to relax after the plane ride, do you really want fans shoving things in your face and asking for pictures and autogrpahs while you're trying to look for your luggage and get to the hotel because I sure as hell wouldn't. So it's fine to shove things in their face when they want to enter or exit the arena? right. You & MaxMoves seem to have backed yourselves into a corner here. You make a bigger deal about this than the wrestlers themselves do: accept it, many of these guys & girls actually don't mind & even like to sign & talk to fans. They could easily say no or ignore you which some may do but others do not. If you're respectful & polite then there's no harm done: get over it! Next you frown upon people who do this at a hotel or airport & call it stalking yet you say it's fine to do the EXACT same things at the arena: that's hypocrisy.
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 3, 2012 11:35:55 GMT -5
Lets say youre a WWE superstar, getting a flight like every other day, youll want to relax after the plane ride, do you really want fans shoving things in your face and asking for pictures and autogrpahs while you're trying to look for your luggage and get to the hotel because I sure as hell wouldn't. So it's fine to shove things in their face when they want to enter or exit the arena? right. You & MaxMoves seem to have backed yourselves into a corner here. You make a bigger deal about this than the wrestlers themselves do: accept it, many of these guys & girls actually don't mind & even like to sign & talk to fans. They could easily say no or ignore you which some may do but others do not. If you're respectful & polite then there's no harm done: get over it! Next you frown upon people who do this at a hotel or airport & call it stalking yet you say it's fine to do the EXACT same things at the arena: that's hypocrisy. LMFAO i love how you're making it seem like i've been arguing since page 1 when i've only made 2 posts yet you and showstopper jump all over it because you're sensitive over the subject.
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Post by comintogetcha on Feb 3, 2012 11:55:40 GMT -5
Lets say youre a WWE superstar, getting a flight like every other day, youll want to relax after the plane ride, do you really want fans shoving things in your face and asking for pictures and autogrpahs while you're trying to look for your luggage and get to the hotel because I sure as hell wouldn't. So it's fine to shove things in their face when they want to enter or exit the arena? right. You & MaxMoves seem to have backed yourselves into a corner here. You make a bigger deal about this than the wrestlers themselves do: accept it, many of these guys & girls actually don't mind & even like to sign & talk to fans. They could easily say no or ignore you which some may do but others do not. If you're respectful & polite then there's no harm done: get over it! Next you frown upon people who do this at a hotel or airport & call it stalking yet you say it's fine to do the EXACT same things at the arena: that's hypocrisy. What corner? If you really think it's the same thing, then you have problems. When you wait outside the arena, it's different. You're already at the arena, they are already at the arena, it's NOT the same thing as invading someones personal life by tracking down what airport or hotel they are at and not allowing them to have their privacy. When you are at the arena, you're working, there's no expectation of privacy there. If you work at Wal-Mart, and shop at Target, but someone at Target recognizes you and asks what aisle in Wal-Mart the toilet paper is located in, you're going to tell them to piss off.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 3, 2012 17:11:55 GMT -5
Oh this is fun. I only wanted to say that historically, psychopaths aren't even able to be noticed in public. That's part of what works for them..ie..John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, jack the ripper. In movies, look at Hannibal lecter. While the term stalking/harassment carries more legal weight to it and is defined in such manner, both encompass obsessive behaviors and is deemed legal to the point that the target feels threatened. Per the definition of stalking, Following wrestlers around, especially ones that you've seen numorous times before is obsessive and depending on the individual, unwanted. However becasue there is not a deemed threat, it's legal. However, just becasue it's legal does not mean it's the right thing to do. Gettin drunk, smoking a cig, having unprotected sex, are all legal, but...well u get my drift. I personally find it odd, but if people are respectful about it and not trying to abuse the opportunities...have at it. Real rich coming from a guy who has BEGGED me and DJKnightRida for info. Get out of here. Here is the definition of someone who hates b/c he cant have it. So you have no issue "stalking" at one's place of work? Expect that? Why is "stalking" at one's place of work acceptable, but not at a public place like a hotel or airport? You still sought out info. to find out where they are gonna be at. Its not like you accidentally bumped into them at the arena. Lets say youre a WWE superstar, getting a flight like every other day, youll want to relax after the plane ride, do you really want fans shoving things in your face and asking for pictures and autogrpahs while you're trying to look for your luggage and get to the hotel because I sure as hell wouldn't. I ABSOLUTELY would have no issue. I'm sure the first few times its an ego boost and you might even enjoy it. But over time it gets to the point that aint your favorite activity. BUT....I dont want it to stop. Its a necessary evil. If I sign an autograph, take a picture and give you 5mins. of my time....you might buy a tshirt or hat or whatever of mine. THAT puts money in my pocket and THAT in numbers will move my position in the company higher up. Merchandise=value. 90% of people are not SHOVING things in people's faces. They are respectfully asking and when granted hand an item over. You have a misconception on how these scenes generally are. Most people walk up with an 8x10 or program or figure in hand and ask. When granted, they extend said item and it is signed. When its not....they thank them for the time and walk away. So it's fine to shove things in their face when they want to enter or exit the arena? right. You & MaxMoves seem to have backed yourselves into a corner here. You make a bigger deal about this than the wrestlers themselves do: accept it, many of these guys & girls actually don't mind & even like to sign & talk to fans. They could easily say no or ignore you which some may do but others do not. If you're respectful & polite then there's no harm done: get over it! Next you frown upon people who do this at a hotel or airport & call it stalking yet you say it's fine to do the EXACT same things at the arena: that's hypocrisy. What corner? If you really think it's the same thing, then you have problems. When you wait outside the arena, it's different. You're already at the arena, they are already at the arena, it's NOT the same thing as invading someones personal life by tracking down what airport or hotel they are at and not allowing them to have their privacy. When you are at the arena, you're working, there's no expectation of privacy there. If you work at Wal-Mart, and shop at Target, but someone at Target recognizes you and asks what aisle in Wal-Mart the toilet paper is located in, you're going to tell them to piss off. What corner? Seriously? you're being a hypocrite. Ok at the arena. Not at the hotel. Who died and made you in charge of this acceptable practices in this hobby?! If thats what you find acceptable...thats on you. Its hypocritcial and thats a fact...but hey, if thats how you roll...no sweat. Just dont piss my cereal and try and tell me its milk. When you're at the arena....you are working. Thats correct. Who wants to be bothered then while you are trying to get inside for work?! They have call times. They need to get inside and find out what is going on. Mentally prepare for the show. This is the WORST time to hit them up. Its why VERY FEW will sign and why odds are you walk away with nothing. In the airport, your success rate is VERY HIGH. So why is that? Oh and you're Walmart/Target story makes no sense. Its unrelatable. But to be honest and most people would agree.....if someone asked me where the TP was in the store, I would do my best to help that person find it. Only miserable trolls tell someone who asks that to "piss off".
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Feb 3, 2012 18:57:35 GMT -5
There is ZERO hypocracy in saying it's worse to go to a hotel than it is to go to the arena. If you are advertised for the show, there is a general awareness that you will be there and that you will be expecting fans, it's then personal choice if they want to meet you. In your own private hotel, if i found some guy snooping around who had clearly prepared to meet me there, I would want whoever was supplying this information to be gone. And no disrespect, but if i was in any position of fame and saw the same person show up on such a regular basis at my hotel, i'd reccomend they find a better hobby. Even those who do find it flattering at first would eventually have to start thinking "This guy needs a life..."
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 3, 2012 19:36:34 GMT -5
There is ZERO hypocracy in saying it's worse to go to a hotel than it is to go to the arena. If you are advertised for the show, there is a general awareness that you will be there and that you will be expecting fans, it's then personal choice if they want to meet you. In your own private hotel, if i found some guy snooping around who had clearly prepared to meet me there, I would want whoever was supplying this information to be gone. And no disrespect, but if i was in any position of fame and saw the same person show up on such a regular basis at my hotel, i'd reccomend they find a better hobby. Even those who do find it flattering at first would eventually have to start thinking "This guy needs a life..." And when a show is in town...its not hard to figure out where they will be flying into. "This guy" is the guy who is contributing to my success or non success. This guy is the guy putting money in my pocket everytime he buys a tshirt or hat. This guy is the guy who will cheer his head off at the show to help get me over. Yeah...he needs a life. What do we need fans for?
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Post by comintogetcha on Feb 3, 2012 19:45:34 GMT -5
You really are a psychopath, the fact that you cannot and do not understand the difference and why there is no hypocrisy. You try to justify your behavior by using crazy rationalizations, nonsensical logic, and insane reasoning. You are completely nuts, nuttier than a fruitcake, and I really, really feel bad for you and for the people that you bother with your behavior.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Feb 3, 2012 19:52:40 GMT -5
There is ZERO hypocracy in saying it's worse to go to a hotel than it is to go to the arena. If you are advertised for the show, there is a general awareness that you will be there and that you will be expecting fans, it's then personal choice if they want to meet you. In your own private hotel, if i found some guy snooping around who had clearly prepared to meet me there, I would want whoever was supplying this information to be gone. And no disrespect, but if i was in any position of fame and saw the same person show up on such a regular basis at my hotel, i'd reccomend they find a better hobby. Even those who do find it flattering at first would eventually have to start thinking "This guy needs a life..." And when a show is in town...its not hard to figure out where they will be flying into. "This guy" is the guy who is contributing to my success or non success. This guy is the guy putting money in my pocket everytime he buys a tshirt or hat. This guy is the guy who will cheer his head off at the show to help get me over. Yeah...he needs a life. What do we need fans for? Being a fan is one thing, you can cheer for him and buy his merch without showing up at his door- It's what most people do. I am a fan, I would never dream of this kind of behaviour. I don't want to cheer for a guy because i've met him and he's a nice guy, I want to cheer for a guy because they're good at their job, I don't care if they're the biggest douche on the planet, if they entertain me, i'll appreciate that. You're right, it's not that hard to take a guess at an airport, but it isn't like that airport has a big sign outside saying "FLYING IN TODAY- WWE SUPERSTAR RANDY ORTON". At an arena, if they want to meet and great the fans, they can do that, if you wander up to them at an airport, unless they want to tell you to piss off they don't have much choice.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 3, 2012 21:27:30 GMT -5
You really are a psychopath, the fact that you cannot and do not understand the difference and why there is no hypocrisy. You try to justify your behavior by using crazy rationalizations, nonsensical logic, and insane reasoning. You are completely nuts, nuttier than a fruitcake, and I really, really feel bad for you and for the people that you bother with your behavior. Typical response when someone is OWNED. Feel free to respond back...you can have the last word. I am done with you. Since you have disputed all of your nonsense, you result to name calling. And when a show is in town...its not hard to figure out where they will be flying into. "This guy" is the guy who is contributing to my success or non success. This guy is the guy putting money in my pocket everytime he buys a tshirt or hat. This guy is the guy who will cheer his head off at the show to help get me over. Yeah...he needs a life. What do we need fans for? Being a fan is one thing, you can cheer for him and buy his merch without showing up at his door- It's what most people do. I am a fan, I would never dream of this kind of behaviour. I don't want to cheer for a guy because i've met him and he's a nice guy, I want to cheer for a guy because they're good at their job, I don't care if they're the biggest douche on the planet, if they entertain me, i'll appreciate that. You're right, it's not that hard to take a guess at an airport, but it isn't like that airport has a big sign outside saying "FLYING IN TODAY- WWE SUPERSTAR RANDY ORTON". At an arena, if they want to meet and great the fans, they can do that, if you wander up to them at an airport, unless they want to tell you to piss off they don't have much choice. Uhhh...some people just say no. Piss off is not required and neither is saying yes. Many of them do it b/c they appreciate the fact that you care to have their autograph. Several of them have thanked me for wanting their autograph and/or for coming out to the airport to meet them.
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Feb 3, 2012 21:36:43 GMT -5
You really are a psychopath, the fact that you cannot and do not understand the difference and why there is no hypocrisy. You try to justify your behavior by using crazy rationalizations, nonsensical logic, and insane reasoning. You are completely nuts, nuttier than a fruitcake, and I really, really feel bad for you and for the people that you bother with your behavior. Typical response when someone is OWNED. Feel free to respond back...you can have the last word. I am done with you. Since you have disputed all of your nonsense, you result to name calling. Being a fan is one thing, you can cheer for him and buy his merch without showing up at his door- It's what most people do. I am a fan, I would never dream of this kind of behaviour. I don't want to cheer for a guy because i've met him and he's a nice guy, I want to cheer for a guy because they're good at their job, I don't care if they're the biggest douche on the planet, if they entertain me, i'll appreciate that. You're right, it's not that hard to take a guess at an airport, but it isn't like that airport has a big sign outside saying "FLYING IN TODAY- WWE SUPERSTAR RANDY ORTON". At an arena, if they want to meet and great the fans, they can do that, if you wander up to them at an airport, unless they want to tell you to piss off they don't have much choice. Uhhh...some people just say no. Piss off is not required and neither is saying yes. Many of them do it b/c they appreciate the fact that you care to have their autograph. Several of them have thanked me for wanting their autograph and/or for coming out to the airport to meet them. [/quote] I think when you have them there infront of you at the airport it's easier for them to say yes and be polite about it than say no and risk a fuss. I still don't think it should be done. We clearly differ on opinions and neither of us are budging.
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Post by kimberlysghost on Feb 4, 2012 1:51:44 GMT -5
If you don't mind I would like to add my 2 cents in. First things first. I don't get and never will understood the hate/bashing CM gets on here. I don't. I wonder if it is jealously over his autograph collection. Or just people being parrots and repeating what another member said. I'm not referring to any specific WF member. It just seems he gets dumped on for no reason. I mean he didn't even reply to this thread until his name was mentioned. WF can we please move on to a new fad? Hating on CM Showstopper is getting old. Moving on. I meet wrestlers at autograph signings. I have traveled all across the NE to do so. I will continue to. But I also will go to the airport and hotels to meet wrestlers. And I have never had a bad experience. A wrestler has never acted like they felt like they were being "stalked" or "harassed" by me. It is a matter of respect. I am very respectful and grateful to get to meet them and they are kind enough to take a photo and/or sign an autograph. Are there people that are not respectful, yes? Those are the "fans" CM Punk refers to. 9 times out of 10 those guys are selling on ebay. And the wrestlers know that. To try to describe the experience of going to hotels or airport to someone who has not is difficult. It seems like you have a vision of rabid fans pouncing on these guys and gals the second there come through a door. Just shoving items in their faces. That's not the case. A quick story - last year I was staying at the same hotel some wrestler where staying at for the Royal Rumble. Zack Ryder came down and signed and took pictures. He signed my autograph and remarked how me liked my pen. He went to his car and I went out and gave him that pen so he would have it. He said thank you. I asked him if he was coming back later as I would like to take a picture with him. He said he wasn't coming back later but came back inside the hotel so he could take a photo with me. Let me repeat that, he came back inside just to take a photo with me. (And he held the door!) Does THAT sound like someone who was just stalked or harassed? Kim
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