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Post by bennet07 on Feb 11, 2012 15:40:25 GMT -5
X-Men,Avengers,or Justice League??
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Post by Cammi Oh on Feb 11, 2012 21:31:36 GMT -5
Justice League. There are dozens of them! Also, no one can beat Superman (OR Booster Gold, LOL)
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Post by T R W on Feb 12, 2012 7:52:40 GMT -5
I need lineups to really say. Is Sentry in the Avengers? If so it's a different ballgame. Either way, the X-Men finish third.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 12, 2012 10:59:35 GMT -5
Definitely the Justice League.
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Post by T R W on Feb 12, 2012 12:32:55 GMT -5
Let's say, it's the top 8 who have ever been in the JLA and Avengers....
So you have:
Captain America Hulk Iron Man Spider-Man Hawkeye Thor Sentry Quicksilver
vs.
Superman Batman Wonder Woman Martian Manhunter Flash Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) Aquaman Green Arrow Hawkman
So you match them up:
Captain America - Batman Sentry - Superman Quicksilver - Flash Hawkeye - Green Arrow Thor - Wonder Woman
Those are arguably draws
I think it comes down to...
How do:
Hulk Spider-Man Iron Man
match up with:
Aquaman Hawkman Green Lantern
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 12, 2012 14:15:00 GMT -5
What would stop Green Lantern from just making a gigantic ball around all of them?
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Post by T R W on Feb 12, 2012 15:16:11 GMT -5
What would stop Green Lantern from just making a gigantic ball around all of them? He can only hold his constructs so long, and sentry could probably smash out in a moment similar to superman.
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Post by purpleisaaw on Feb 12, 2012 16:27:57 GMT -5
It would come down to Sentry vs. Superman and you gotta give it to superman because hes got experience and is not a nut job.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 12, 2012 18:05:34 GMT -5
What would stop Green Lantern from just making a gigantic ball around all of them? He can only hold his constructs so long, and sentry could probably smash out in a moment similar to superman. But Superman and Sentry cancel each other out by your argument. So GL just has to put a circle around Hulk, Spiderman and Iron Man.
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Post by T R W on Feb 12, 2012 19:25:27 GMT -5
He can only hold his constructs so long, and sentry could probably smash out in a moment similar to superman. But Superman and Sentry cancel each other out by your argument. So GL just has to put a circle around Hulk, Spiderman and Iron Man. I don't foresee those three having any problems smashing out quickly. Even just hulk alone.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 12, 2012 22:34:22 GMT -5
I don't see a lot of those guys as classic members of those teams. The way I see it:
Avengers Captain America Iron Man Thor Hawkeye Wasp Hank Pym
JL Green Lantern Green Arrow Black Canary J'onn J'onnz Aquaman Flash Hawkman Atom
So the JL has an advantage in numbers, but the Avengers have a huge advantage in muscle. Manhunter and Hawkman and maybe Aquaman are the muscle and that's not much compared to Iron Man, Thor and Pym if he's in his Giant Man guise or whatever he wants to call it. Manhunter can hang with Iron Man or Thor, but I don't know if Hawkman or Aquaman can hang with the other two. It's a matter of whether you think numbers will win out over muscle IMO.
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Post by T R W on Feb 13, 2012 6:23:38 GMT -5
Why on earth would you match them up with odd numbers. And hulk is about as classic avenger as you get.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 8:44:09 GMT -5
If you're just picking "all-time" teams, the X-Men would hold up pretty well. Here are my top ten: Professor X Magneto Jean Grey (with Phoenix force) Cyclops Emma Frost Wolverine Storm Rogue Colossus Nightcrawler
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 13, 2012 11:28:16 GMT -5
Why on earth would you match them up with odd numbers. And hulk is about as classic avenger as you get. Those are the classic rosters IMO. Not my fault they're odd numbers. I don't consider Hulk an Avenger. To me he's the guy the Avengers came together to fight. I don't really consider the Hulk a hero period I guess. He's not a villain either though. He's just a big angry guy who likes to smash stuff. Throw Hulk into the mix and the Avengers win. Manhunter could neutralize Hulk, but none of the other JLers have the muscle to hang with Iron Man or Thor really.
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Post by T R W on Feb 13, 2012 11:48:51 GMT -5
I think the only way to try and make sense of it is to either take a "best of" group, or just use the current rosters. I love the JLA, and it is my favorite comic of all-time. But in the end, I don't think in either scenario they have enough muscle to take out the Avengers. Or we can just read this again.... dc.wikia.com/wiki/JLA/Avengers...or maybe not.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 13, 2012 16:06:19 GMT -5
So many of the Marvel heros have superhuman strength. So few of the DC heroes do.
If you look at your list, Hawkeye and Quicksilver are the only two who don't have superhuman strength. Neither Flash, nor Green Arrow have super strength and Green Lantern only does when he's using his ring to augment his regular strength so the DC guys are outclassed strength wise.
In my list, Hawkeye is the only one who doesn't have superhuman strength while Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Atom and Flash all lack super strength in my lineup and are really, really outclassed.
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Post by T R W on Feb 14, 2012 9:34:30 GMT -5
That was really my point. In most scenarios, the JLA doesn't have enough firepower to hang with the Avengers.
Now you can make lineups of both that make compelling and equal matchups. But in a head to toe of all rosters, the JLA lacks the depth so to speak.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 14, 2012 10:53:53 GMT -5
I think part of that is that Marvel heroes tend to all have super strength in some form or another. DC heroes don't.
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Post by T R W on Feb 14, 2012 11:16:31 GMT -5
They definitely have more ultra-powered people.
Though going outside the JLA, you have all the Super people people like Power Girl, Super Girl, Super Boy, Wonder Girl, Donna Troy that all have Super Strength as well.
But that's more of a Marvel vs. DC comparison than JLA/Avengers
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 14, 2012 11:28:35 GMT -5
That was really my point. In most scenarios, the JLA doesn't have enough firepower to hang with the Avengers. Now you can make lineups of both that make compelling and equal matchups. But in a head to toe of all rosters, the JLA lacks the depth so to speak.Not really. Just because they don't have super strength doesn't mean they're automatically be defeated by the ones that do. If all the Avenger's relied on was super strength how does that give them more depth than the JLA? With the JLA you got super strength, brains, speed and willpower, so they have more depth if you ask me.
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