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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 14:28:39 GMT -5
I have often lamented the awfulness of how Starrcade 97 went down and it is awful.but whats worse is the subsequent misuse of Sting to the point where he is a midcarder(and in the nWo) by mid 98. Starrcade 97."wins"in an dreadfully booked affair.not what people were expecting from this dream match..... but WCW still has a chance to recoup and get going again right? Souled Out 98:Sting wasnt featured on the PPV....... but theres still time to salvage Sting and make him look like a credible threat to ending the nWo right?? Superbrawl VIII:Sting vs Hogan II!!!Sting wins the belt finally......with help from Randy Savage.so Sting CANT get it done on his own....2 PPVs on record to show that now..... but now Hogans out of the picture its Stings time to shine as champ.right??? Uncensored 98:Sting defeats Hall in an 8 minute "effort" in a match that not the main event of the card.a rematch from WMV(9 years prior)headlines the card while Sting lops around with mid card man Hall. then the destruction continues...... Spring Stampede 98:Sting loses the title to Savage after Nash interferes in a match allotted a mere 10 minutes after intereference from Nash ah well-maybe Sting is better chasing the title yeah? Slamboree 98:Sting and The Giant defeat the Outsiders for the tag titles.at least it main evented the show......it is worth noting however that Hogan wasnt on this show. sigh...... Great American Bash 98:Sting beats Giant in 6 minutes to wrest control of the tag belts from him.he chooses his new nWo(outfit he swore to destroy) Wolfpac stablemate Kevin Nash(man who cost him world title 2 months previous)to be his new co champ. oh Jesus..... Bash at the Beach 98:Sting doesnt make the card dominated by Hogan/Rodman vs DDP/Malone Road Wild 98:Sting features in the "epic" 8 minute battle royal to determine ?. Fall Brawl 98:Sting features on Team Wolfpac in the diasterous War Games match....... Halloween Havoc 98:Sting gets defeated by Bret Hart in a (very good)match for the US title.yes the 2 hottest men in pro wrestling at the start of 98 are scrapping it out for the now nearly meaningless US title while a rematch from WM6 8 years earlier gets all the build. an injured Sting doesnt appear until Spring 99..... so how does it look laid out in front of you like this?horrifying isnt it?
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 14:36:16 GMT -5
just horrible IMO. hogan had such a god damn ego, he refused to put sting over cleanly. and i also hated the fact he ended up in the nWo. he was supposed to try and destroy them and ends up joining them! i'm a life long sting fan, but the whole wolfpac thing was BS. they built up crow sting so well only to stick him behind the stove, back burner would be too nice on how WCW used him. sting was still able to put on a good match yet in those years, so many missed epic matchups.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 14:38:26 GMT -5
3 words.
Classic WCW booking.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 14:43:41 GMT -5
3 words. Classic WCW booking. this. WCW was so ed from late 1998 til the end. their booking was more shotty than a house in the ghetto. bret heel/face turns a plenty, everybody and their mommas joining the nWo, and a lack of pushing talents to the main event. and dont forget the politics. WCW was filled with brown nosers and ass kissers. and another thing, sting was doomed ever since hogan jumped ship. sting was/is the franchise of WCW. very loyal to them and he ended up with the short end of the stick.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Mar 23, 2012 15:09:10 GMT -5
I've often believed that Starrcade 1997 was the beginning of the end of WCW, with Starrcade 1998 putting a massive nail in the coffin. 97 was built around Sting/Hogan but like you said, Sting didn't do it clean. They had the Nitro rematch, then the third match where Sting had Savage's help. Again, looking like crap. The guy they built up by beating up 6 NWO dudes at once can't even beat Hogan clean. Then a few months later joining the NWO? Defies logic and diminishes Sting. WCW never had a long term plan for things. Case in point, the dismantling of Goldberg in 2 nights.
If I'd have done it, I'd have kept Sting really strong as the crow for the year(maybe dropping the belt to keep it interesting, but having it back by August), while Goldberg picked up steam. Then built for a head to head Goldberg vs. Sting match at Starrcade 1998 with Goldberg going over and becoming The Man. That way, Sting "passes the torch" to Goldberg and they'd have had Goldberg going strong into 1999 instead of being the NWO's bitch.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 15:13:47 GMT -5
I've often believed that Starrcade 1997 was the beginning of the end of WCW, with Starrcade 1998 putting a massive nail in the coffin. 97 was built around Sting/Hogan but like you said, Sting didn't do it clean. They had the Nitro rematch, then the third match where Sting had Savage's help. Again, looking like crap. The guy they built up by beating up 6 NWO dudes at once can't even beat Hogan clean. Then a few months later joining the NWO? Defies logic and diminishes Sting. WCW never had a long term plan for things. Case in point, the dismantling of Goldberg in 2 nights. If I'd have done it, I'd have kept Sting really strong as the crow for the year(maybe dropping the belt to keep it interesting, but having it back by August), while Goldberg picked up steam. Then built for a head to head Goldberg vs. Sting match at Starrcade 1998 with Goldberg going over and becoming The Man. That way, Sting "passes the torch" to Goldberg and they'd have had Goldberg going strong into 1999 instead of being the NWO's bitch. this would have been a cool thing to happen. i'd like to add something in there though. if goldberg/sting was to head starrcade 1998, then it would have been good to see the nWo disbanded durring that summer. like you said, i would have had sting drop the title back to hogan, then around GAB time, have sting get the title back to rnd that fued and the nWo. then we would have some time for build up for the sting/goldberg starrcade 1998 match
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 23, 2012 15:15:11 GMT -5
Sting joining the Wolfpac was the worst.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 15:17:10 GMT -5
or even get DDP in the mix for starrcade 1998 for a triple threat. build it up as to who thinks they are the top WCW guy. give goldberg the win, putting him over and raising his stock even more as a beast.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 15:18:14 GMT -5
Sting joining the Wolfpac was the worst. for me personally, it ruined it big time when they threw him in there
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 15:44:11 GMT -5
just look at Bret Hart and Sting.ok so they insisted on turning Bret heel and not having Sting in the title picture both which made so little sense it defied logic totally......
BUT if he was to be heel use him against Sting which was a HUGE dream match.this feud could have been a scorcher yknow?
but we had Bret vs Booker for the TV title and Sting as solo tag champ instead.it makes my brain scream thinking about it.
Cornette said they couldnt believe what they were seeing each week with Bret and how Sting was being used......they truly believed a Bret led faction called the Hart(insert name here) were to feud with the nWo.he thought it was a no brainer for Benoit to be included in this faction too.....
I bet Vince couldnt believe his luck here either.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 15:50:30 GMT -5
just look at Bret Hart and Sting.ok so they insisted on turning Bret heel and not having Sting in the title picture both which made so little sense it defied logic totally...... BUT if he was to be heel use him against Sting which was a HUGE dream match.this feud could have been a scorcher yknow? but we had Bret vs Booker for the TV title and Sting as solo tag champ instead.it makes my brain scream thinking about it. Cornette said they couldnt believe what they were seeing each week with Bret and how Sting was being used......they truly believed a Bret led faction called the Hart(insert name here) were to feud with the nWo.he thought it was a no brainer for Benoit to be included in this faction too..... I bet Vince couldnt believe his luck here either. yeah, 2 of the biggest names in wrestling unused. a hart foundation was very possible in WCW. bret, neidhart, and bulldog were all there. and yes, i agree, they could have added benoit as well. and to add to our fantasy booking. after nWo being gone, golberg beating sting OR winning a triple threat at starrcade, the following nitro, bret could have cut a heel promo, forming up the foundation. he would talk about how he gets no respect and how it's time for him to make things right. this would start a fued between him and the foundation against golberg for a few months, somewhere down the line bret beating goldberg for the title, ending the streak in a clean win and earning the respect he so much craves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 15:53:49 GMT -5
I hate wCw. No company in history did less with more talent than them.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Mar 23, 2012 16:08:31 GMT -5
I hate wCw. No company in history did less with more talent than them. Man, you posting this just made me think about it and realize the true amount of incredible talent they had in 1998: Sting, Goldberg, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Mr. Perfect, Savage, DDP, Raven, Bret Hart, The Giant, Steiners, The ridiculously talented Cruiserweight division in their primes, Booker T among others. The fantasy match-ups there if built would have been massive. Its baffling how that company either let them walk free, barely used them or just cut their legs out in favor of the NWO guys. What a friggin talent roster. But back on relative topic, as an 8 year old kid I loved Wolfpack Sting I thought he was so cool. But looking back on it now I'm just shocked about the whole booking of it. But stranger things have happened I guess. I'll always lump Sting and Goldberg together. What WCW did to build them up in 1997 and 1998 respectively, absolutely amazing and they should be given huge credit for that. Absolutely perfect buildups that we really don't see anymore. However its interesting that how in the span of one or two matches, or lack their of how it all can be ruined.
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Post by jakksking1 on Mar 23, 2012 16:10:53 GMT -5
I found Sting in 1997 to be painful. I know a lot of people loved the angle, but he didn't wrestle at all. It was just a tease, for an entire year, longer even. Then we got the crap finish from Starcade. I don't mind a slow build, but it was literally a year between matches for Sting. I dont think he was hurt either. So WCW just decided to put one of their biggest babyface draws on the burner for an entire year. I just didn't like it.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 16:21:14 GMT -5
I found Sting in 1997 to be painful. I know a lot of people loved the angle, but he didn't wrestle at all. It was just a tease, for an entire year, longer even. Then we got the crap finish from Starcade. I don't mind a slow build, but it was literally a year between matches for Sting. I dont think he was hurt either. So WCW just decided to put one of their biggest babyface draws on the burner for an entire year. I just didn't like it. yeah, it was much too long of a build up. 3 or 4 months would have been fine. but the 15 (give or take) was just rediculous. i think it boiled down to sting having personal problems around then. the movie that he did, he said he had problems with alcohol/pills and it put a strain on his marriage. they way they turned him onto crow sting was perfect though. with the imposter sting being the bad guy, nobody beleived the real sting. and when he proved them wrong, he packed up his crap and left town. with that being said, i think he could have survived as surfer sting. he was still over with that gimmick. i dont think the fans took a dislike to him like they did with good ole red and yellow hogan being shoved down their mouths for so many years.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 23, 2012 17:26:23 GMT -5
basically, the nWo Wolfpack was WCW's answer to Degeneration X...trying to make a "cool,hip,cocky" group out of people already on the roster that fans would cheer for....
Sting,just proved to me that all Bischoff was worried about was the guys HE brought in - Hogan,Savage,Hall,Nash, Giant, etc.... WCW mainstays like Flair,Sting, Arn,etc. just got thrown to the side of the road....
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 23, 2012 17:30:05 GMT -5
Starrcade 1997 was a joke,and definitely the beginning of the end...you simply can't hype a card that much,can't put as much importance on it as they did,and not deliver...i mean, i knew some "fringe" wrestling fans who's first WCW PPV was Starrcade 1997, based on the hype alone,and how big,special,and important it was suppossed to be, who never watched again after it was over...
i mean,for all intents and purposes,this was WCW's WrestleMania III , the event that, even though they were already hot,was going to put them over the top,and feature the most anticipated World Championship match in the promotion's history...and unlike WM III , Starrcade did NOT deliver!
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Post by hammer on Mar 23, 2012 18:28:51 GMT -5
I found Sting in 1997 to be painful. I know a lot of people loved the angle, but he didn't wrestle at all. It was just a tease, for an entire year, longer even. Then we got the crap finish from Starcade. I don't mind a slow build, but it was literally a year between matches for Sting. I dont think he was hurt either. So WCW just decided to put one of their biggest babyface draws on the burner for an entire year. I just didn't like it. yeah, it was much too long of a build up. 3 or 4 months would have been fine. but the 15 (give or take) was just rediculous. i think it boiled down to sting having personal problems around then. the movie that he did, he said he had problems with alcohol/pills and it put a strain on his marriage. they way they turned him onto crow sting was perfect though. with the imposter sting being the bad guy, nobody beleived the real sting. and when he proved them wrong, he packed up his crap and left town. with that being said, i think he could have survived as surfer sting. he was still over with that gimmick. i dont think the fans took a dislike to him like they did with good ole red and yellow hogan being shoved down their mouths for so many years. there was a ppv in philly, i believe... where 'surfer' sting had won the world title from vader, and then fans started to chant "STING MUST DIE". the gimmick was starting to lose its luster in the 'smarter' area fan bases.
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Post by natepadberg on Mar 23, 2012 18:32:43 GMT -5
first i have herd of it hammer. the PPV was slamboree, where sting was handed the title but wanted to wrestle for it instead. it was eight after rude was injured in their match in japan ending his career. i may have to watch that match later to see if i hear those chants.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Mar 24, 2012 17:06:26 GMT -5
Sting is one of the greatest of all time easily but he was IMO the Bret Hart of WCW. He was the guy that could draw fans and was over as hell but WCW, and more importantly Hogan wouldnt let him be the face of the company much like Vince did to Bret from 93 to 97. And regaurding Goldburg i guess im the only person who actually liked Nash ending the streak? As for the night after and what followed thats a different story.
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