TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 24, 2015 16:58:03 GMT -5
I see no legit reason as to why Hogan thinks he should have won. The whole year long build was all for Sting to be the one. Absolutely agreed 100%. Eric spent the entire year of 1997 building the most anticipated match in WCW history without shadow of doubt.....he went to great lengths to get Bret Hart. His plan going into 97 starting at Starrcade 1997 was to bring about the downfall of the nWo . Instead it led to its expansion and both Bret and sting being in the f*ckin nWo. Mind boggling that in the spring of 98 we were getting a savage vs Hogan feud instead of Sting being the focus. As I have said Savage doesn't shoulder enough of the blame at all for my liking. Hart should have been introduced at starrcade stopping the nWo interfering in Stings match. From then on he should have been the guy knocking off a major nWo member at every PPV. I still would have had his match with a distrustful Flair at Souled Out though. But hart was totally unprepared for a entire locker room full of A) political enemies in Hogan, Hall & Nash B) paranoid guys struggling to hold onto their upper card spots in Luger, Savage and Giant C) newer singles stars getting a push who feared Harts arrival in Steiner, Buff. It was never gonna work out for him. Tragic really......when you think what could have been..... That's awesome man, I'm angry at the fact we never got a Sting vs Bret programme (properly). Just think about it - Scorpion Deathlock vs the Sharpshooter! And it's funny you said about Bret facing a member of the nWo every ppv and making them leave the group if they lost. Because that's exactly what I did in my figure fed back when I was 14, except with Sting. I loved doing that booking back then, and I had the nWo "invade" my WWE, and consisted of Hall, Nash, Sid, Bigelow, Shane Douglas, Hart, Goldberg and someone else. All using my Toybiz figures. Great fun. And that was just off the top of my head, since I only started watching WCW and WWE from 1999 onwards (9 years old), and didn't know anything about pre 1999 WCW until many years later. But even then I booked the exact angle WCW should have run throughout 1998 (with some players changed).
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 24, 2015 20:27:49 GMT -5
Bret Hart may be the single most misused talent in WCW history - and I know that's really saying something!
He was a bona fide, main event star with a large, international and domestic fanbase, name recognition, and credibility. AND he was coming in with the Montreal Screw Job just having happened, only THE single most controversial moment in wrestling history! The storyline possibilities almost wrote themselves, and all they really had to do was let Bret be Bret, and go out and have the best matches on the card every night. Instead, he was mired in the midcard, changed allegiances almost on a weekly basis, and it took them almost TWO YEARS to finally utilize him properly.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Oct 25, 2015 12:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Oct 26, 2015 1:36:53 GMT -5
Just going to leave this here..... Where do you get a program like that?? God id love to have something like that. TEW 2005 is free
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Post by threehgame on Oct 26, 2015 2:55:49 GMT -5
It was interesting to hear Sting, Bischoff and Hogan talk about the title match. Sting not willing to say who said what but the night was uneasy and very political. The match not having a finish even as it was going on. Bischoff saying Sting was overly quite and detached which lead to him not being involved which lead to the powers that were in place having worries about his commitment. Bischoff finally says Hogan refused to do the job cleanly causing further issues.
Earlier in the DVD Sting said Hogan was a huge Sting fan and really pushed him but goes out his way say it. Sting also made the crack about the title belt not meaning as much as the fans pop to him, as to others it was all about the belt.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 13:36:46 GMT -5
HUGE Sting fan. I absolutely love the new piece on him. He just seems like a nice guy. But Starrcade 97 should've been the biggest match of all time. That shouldve created greatness. As a kid I ate it up, but when I watched the match I knew Sting didn't kick out. The count was legit. Hogan beat Sting clean in the middle of the ring. It f'd it all up going forward. Even though Sting walked out champion, the finish and the piss poor booking that followed were a travesty to one of the greatest of all time and literally could've led WCW into the light instead of it closing its doors. Just my take on it
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Post by BIG MCLARGEHUGE on Jun 24, 2016 13:59:06 GMT -5
Absolutely agreed 100%. Eric spent the entire year of 1997 building the most anticipated match in WCW history without shadow of doubt.....he went to great lengths to get Bret Hart. His plan going into 97 starting at Starrcade 1997 was to bring about the downfall of the nWo . Instead it led to its expansion and both Bret and sting being in the f*ckin nWo. Mind boggling that in the spring of 98 we were getting a savage vs Hogan feud instead of Sting being the focus. As I have said Savage doesn't shoulder enough of the blame at all for my liking. Hart should have been introduced at starrcade stopping the nWo interfering in Stings match. From then on he should have been the guy knocking off a major nWo member at every PPV. I still would have had his match with a distrustful Flair at Souled Out though. But hart was totally unprepared for a entire locker room full of A) political enemies in Hogan, Hall & Nash B) paranoid guys struggling to hold onto their upper card spots in Luger, Savage and Giant C) newer singles stars getting a push who feared Harts arrival in Steiner, Buff. It was never gonna work out for him. Tragic really......when you think what could have been..... That's awesome man, I'm angry at the fact we never got a Sting vs Bret programme (properly). Just think about it - Scorpion Deathlock vs the Sharpshooter! And it's funny you said about Bret facing a member of the nWo every ppv and making them leave the group if they lost. Because that's exactly what I did in my figure fed back when I was 14, except with Sting. I loved doing that booking back then, and I had the nWo "invade" my WWE, and consisted of Hall, Nash, Sid, Bigelow, Shane Douglas, Hart, Goldberg and someone else. All using my Toybiz figures. Great fun. And that was just off the top of my head, since I only started watching WCW and WWE from 1999 onwards (9 years old), and didn't know anything about pre 1999 WCW until many years later. But even then I booked the exact angle WCW should have run throughout 1998 (with some players changed). Lumping Giant into that spot is unfair. Nash killed him dead at Starcade by no showing that event. Giant in his prime was a great attraction. They made him look like a loser. He wasn't even on the same pay scale as those other guys. ... Not that WWE did much better when he came in... His debut was unintentionally letting the guy he was supposed to beat up ... Win the match against the guy he was helping. Deep.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 23:47:53 GMT -5
Bret Hart may be the single most misused talent in WCW history - and I know that's really saying something! He was a bona fide, main event star with a large, international and domestic fanbase, name recognition, and credibility. AND he was coming in with the Montreal Screw Job just having happened, only THE single most controversial moment in wrestling history! The storyline possibilities almost wrote themselves, and all they really had to do was let Bret be Bret, and go out and have the best matches on the card every night. Instead, he was mired in the midcard, changed allegiances almost on a weekly basis, and it took them almost TWO YEARS to finally utilize him properly. I can't believe this thread is still tacked on the front page and people are still posting on it. I remember how big the Hogan/Sting match was at Starrcade. PWI had an issue proclaiming it, "The Match of the Century" on the cover. It came with a foldout poster that I hung on my wall at my grandparent's house. Everyone thinks that Bret should have came in as a babyface. That's probably true, but I wonder how well it would have worked if Bret came to WCW as a heel. Think about it. Bret just came off a very successful run as a heel in WWF. Hogan refused to put Sting over clean because he's an bunghole. I think it would have been a good idea to not promote Bret's "debut" in the Bischoff/Zybszko match and instead have Bret come to WCW as a heel and cost Sting the match immediately joining the nWo or casting himself as some sort of lone wolf. This would do a couple of things. It would immediately set up a Hart/Sting feud (which is what many fans were clamoring for) and it would play on the nWo's original vibe of WWF invaders with Bret being the biggest defector. All that depends on Hogan playing politics of course. What should have happened is Sting going over cleanly and Hogan going off screen for a while.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jul 4, 2016 18:22:47 GMT -5
Honestly, looking back I agree with everyone here. Blown match 100%. Its just so crazy looking back when your more mature to see what you missed. For example, I remember how ecstatic I was that Sting won the title. But after watching it again, the things that transpired aftewards and watching it just were piss poor. Even when they tried to re-do Starrcade at Superbrawl, it didn't work.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 7, 2016 9:20:51 GMT -5
Bret Hart may be the single most misused talent in WCW history - and I know that's really saying something! He was a bona fide, main event star with a large, international and domestic fanbase, name recognition, and credibility. AND he was coming in with the Montreal Screw Job just having happened, only THE single most controversial moment in wrestling history! The storyline possibilities almost wrote themselves, and all they really had to do was let Bret be Bret, and go out and have the best matches on the card every night. Instead, he was mired in the midcard, changed allegiances almost on a weekly basis, and it took them almost TWO YEARS to finally utilize him properly. I can't believe this thread is still tacked on the front page and people are still posting on it. I can......the first post is excellent.......the guy that started this thread really knows what he is talking about IMO.......
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Post by PJ on Jul 8, 2016 8:30:48 GMT -5
I left it because of two very important reasons... 1. I wanted a piece of Joker to stay around 2. It is Sting and I like Sting.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 8, 2016 9:23:33 GMT -5
I left it because of two very important reasons... 1. I wanted a piece of Joker to stay around 2. It is Sting and I like Sting. LOL!!!!
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Post by BSR on Jul 9, 2016 12:59:19 GMT -5
The crazy part of all of this is that his popularity never diminished. They really dropped the ball with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 13:15:02 GMT -5
To this day Starrcade '97 still baffles me that they screwed the entire finish to Sting vs Hogan up
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 9, 2016 14:22:28 GMT -5
Has anybody done much positive and simultaneously so much negative for the business as Hogan has done?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't like Vince at all, but if there's one thing about him I like, he knows how to manage his company even if there's often ridiculous writing/booking. The politics in WCW would never have happened under his watch.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 17, 2016 4:49:30 GMT -5
Has anybody done much positive and simultaneously so much negative for the business as Hogan has done? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't like Vince at all, but if there's one thing about him I like, he knows how to manage his company even if there's often ridiculous writing/booking. The politics in WCW would never have happened under his watch. True enough......although Vince did have similar wobbles with Hogan in particular(WM9)
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Post by KrimV on Aug 27, 2016 4:40:43 GMT -5
If I'd have done it, I'd have kept Sting really strong as the crow for the year(maybe dropping the belt to keep it interesting, but having it back by August), while Goldberg picked up steam. Then built for a head to head Goldberg vs. Sting match at Starrcade 1998 with Goldberg going over and becoming The Man. That way, Sting "passes the torch" to Goldberg and they'd have had Goldberg going strong into 1999 instead of being the NWO's bitch. That would've been pretty awesome. Goldberg/Sting probably could've been for WCW what Rock/Austin was for WWE.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Aug 27, 2016 4:54:21 GMT -5
I recently watched though '97 WCW. Starrcade was the show I was dreading the most, it's much worse when you see the feud play out.
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 29, 2017 10:44:09 GMT -5
I've been watching the early 98 and my God its ridiculous. Sting is hardly shown on the show all through January. All the announce team can talk about is the "trouble within the NWO". The entire show features around it....with each Nitro ME furthering it. Sting had absolutely NO CHANCE in this environment. My God. Ditto for Hart....he is a total afterthought. I'm on Souled Out 98 at the moment and they have hardly mentioned the dream match of Hart vs Flair. Its 100% about NWO, Trouble within and what Larry is gonna do to Hall. I mean why the hell wasn't hart put in this spot of taking out NWO guys instead of Larry Z? Sting hardly did anything in the segment with Piper and Hogan too....instead of it being about the title match at Superbrawl? Its about Hall being disgusted with Hogan. I'm gonna continue to report as I watch each month and its PPV PJ ......should be fun.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 29, 2017 13:00:45 GMT -5
I've been watching the early 98 and my God its ridiculous. Sting is hardly shown on the show all through January. All the announce team can talk about is the "trouble within the NWO". The entire show features around it....with each Nitro ME furthering it. Sting had absolutely NO CHANCE in this environment. My God. Ditto for Hart....he is a total afterthought. I'm on Souled Out 98 at the moment and they have hardly mentioned the dream match of Hart vs Flair. Its 100% about NWO, Trouble within and what Larry is gonna do to Hall. I mean why the hell wasn't hart put in this spot of taking out NWO guys instead of Larry Z? Sting hardly did anything in the segment with Piper and Hogan too....instead of it being about the title match at Superbrawl? Its about Hall being disgusted with Hogan. I'm gonna continue to report as I watch each month and its PPV PJ ......should be fun. Better start investing in some proper supplies then . . . Attachment Deleted
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