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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 16, 2019 22:41:34 GMT -5
Forgot to mention one guy in my summer/fall WCW ‘98 review...The Giant. That’s because he was literally forgettable during this time. The only moment that sticks out to me is Goldberg jackhammering him. Crazy how he was one of the shows focal points in ‘95/96 yet by ‘98 he was nothing more than a background character. His constant face/heel turns didn’t help, and you could tell he just seemed checked out by this timeframe. Yup had his eye on WWF already and had rebuked contract negotiations with Easy E in the fall...so he was fed to the wolves....It was weird the way they had his character smoking all the time.... I noticed that too and have always wondered if that was a Bischoff idea or if it was apart of Paul not giving any craps by that point.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 17, 2019 5:21:49 GMT -5
Yup had his eye on WWF already and had rebuked contract negotiations with Easy E in the fall...so he was fed to the wolves....It was weird the way they had his character smoking all the time.... I noticed that too and have always wondered if that was a Bischoff idea or if it was apart of Paul not giving any craps by that point. Bischoff's idea because smoking was "edgy & cool".....LOL.
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Post by jking1979 on Oct 3, 2019 22:24:18 GMT -5
They pushed Sting to the side when Hulk Hogan arrived in 1994.
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Post by PJ on Oct 4, 2019 4:20:05 GMT -5
They pushed Sting to the side when Hulk Hogan arrived in 1994. Which IMO was a huge mistake.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 4, 2019 17:06:19 GMT -5
They pushed Sting to the side when Hulk Hogan arrived in 1994. They did indeed....the whole point of this thread is how they had the chance to fix it....and man they came close. Then they totally blew it. Crazy.
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Post by jking1979 on Oct 4, 2019 17:43:43 GMT -5
Sting should have beat Hollywood Hogan fair and square with the scorpion deathlock. They could have saved Bret Hart for another day. Eric Bischoff always would give in to Hollywood Hogan's demands. That is one time he should have done what is good for business.
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Oct 8, 2019 7:33:52 GMT -5
It all started with Starrcade 1997. Had a great buildup, but the match ruined it. Hogan beats Sting clean, then the match gets reversed, and Sting wins...uh... but Sting was horribly misused for the rest of his run after that too
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Post by jking1979 on Oct 26, 2019 16:52:57 GMT -5
Sting and Raven would have been an interesting feud around that time. Raven was the perfect Joker to Sting's Batman. WCW dropped the ball with him unfortunately.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 27, 2019 8:27:01 GMT -5
Its weird because you get people saying "the booking worked because we got Goldberg out of it".....ehhhhh No. Yes Goldberg was popular & incredibly over but you could still have had that without Sting looking like a midcarder for all of 1998.
You could have had Hogan regaining the belt from Sting at GAB 98 through nefarious means then have Goldberg kill Hogan the next month same way he did. Would have been even more shocking because Hogan had just got the belt back.
Have Steiner be the one that cost Sting the strap and let them feud. Something fresh we wouldn't have seen...Sting feuding with the hot new heel that he used to be friends with.
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Post by jking1979 on Nov 17, 2019 15:11:30 GMT -5
Sting and Scott Steiner would have been a good feud. I feel like WCW pushed Scott Steiner aside as well. It seems like everything was revolved around Hulk Hogan.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 18, 2019 15:26:30 GMT -5
Sting and Scott Steiner would have been a good feud. I feel like WCW pushed Scott Steiner aside as well. It seems like everything was revolved around Hulk Hogan. And Nash & Savage. Savage gets a free pass in 98 for some reason off folks....
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 18, 2019 17:35:06 GMT -5
Sting and Scott Steiner would have been a good feud. I feel like WCW pushed Scott Steiner aside as well. It seems like everything was revolved around Hulk Hogan. And Nash & Savage. Savage gets a free pass in 98 for some reason off folks....
Probably because fans felt sorry for Savage in a way.
In 1998 and 1999 Savage wins the WCW Title only to have to drop it to Hogan the following night on Nitro.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 19, 2019 10:21:12 GMT -5
And Nash & Savage. Savage gets a free pass in 98 for some reason off folks....
Probably because fans felt sorry for Savage in a way.
In 1998 and 1999 Savage wins the WCW Title only to have to drop it to Hogan the following night on Nitro.
Yeah not me.....January-April 98 was all about Hogan & Savage falling out until he won the title from Sting, which should NEVER have happened. They didn't need the title to further this already beaten to death storyline. Savage knew he was taking the title for the night in 98 for a drop to Hogan. Its not like they told him 4 minutes after Nitro went on the air " hey Randy your dropping it back to Hulk tonight" seems like he escapes some of the venom from fans but when you study 98 he really shouldn't.
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Post by jking1979 on Nov 22, 2019 10:27:08 GMT -5
Randy Savage as a loner would have been great back then. He was always in Hulk Hogan's shadow.
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Post by jking1979 on Jan 2, 2020 11:57:30 GMT -5
I was watching some of Sting's stuff from 1997. He should have kept the mysterious gimmick. WCW screwed up and had him talking again.
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Post by Retrospect on Mar 30, 2020 12:07:13 GMT -5
Last night I watched Superbrawl XIII and the Sting vs. Hogan match was really disappointing. Sting got beat up for almost the entire match until his comeback at the end. I mean from the moment he enters the ring he’s just selling for Hogan. This made absolutely no sense to me because here’s a guy who can drop down from the raptors and take out the entire nWo by himself but for some reason he can’t hold his own in a 1 on 1? This should have been a squash match! I think this is one of the reasons that Sting started to cool off in 98. The fans wanted to see that unstoppable beast that they’ve seen for a year and a half kicking anyone’s a$$ who got in his way and instead we got slouch who looked like he was wrestling with a hangover. I went into this match thinking they were going to make right the disaster that was Starrcade 97 but this match was even worse. It’s a shame too because the rest of the show was pretty good.
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Post by jking1979 on Apr 11, 2020 17:33:40 GMT -5
Sting said in an interview that he has one match left in him. It should be against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 26, 2020 10:39:23 GMT -5
So took a break from my WCW ‘98 binge and have been following through 1999 recently. The presentation was still great, but the stories continued to tornado out of control; even further than in 1998. Just some thoughts on Sting and Goldberg in the early parts of 1999...
Despite the “finger poke of doom” being a god-awful idea, they had the right idea of having Goldberg slowly get revenge against each nWo member. He beat Hall and Nash on consecutive PPVs, and then...started a feud with Rick Steiner. They wrote Goldberg off TV for 2 months to film a movie, but used Rick Steiner as the reason why...made no sense what so ever. When Goldberg returned, he beat Steiner and then feuded with Sid over the US Title. And just like Sting looked like an idiot teaming with Nash the year previous, Goldberg looked like an idiot teaming with the newly turned face Hogan.
Sting was hurt to start 1999, but returned to beat DDP for the world title...only to drop it back to him on the same show. From here, Sting did...really nothing of note until the fall when Russo had him turn heel for no reason. I’m starting to think Bret was right in his book when he said that Sting was happy to let other guys shine, even to a fault. I get a lot of guys had creative control at the time, but Sting seemed content being one of the top guys, but not THE top guy. This likely played a lot into his lack of booking direction following Starrcade ‘97.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 26, 2020 15:09:51 GMT -5
So took a break from my WCW ‘98 binge and have been following through 1999 recently. The presentation was still great, but the stories continued to tornado out of control; even further than in 1998. Just some thoughts on Sting and Goldberg in the early parts of 1999... Despite the “finger poke of doom” being a god-awful idea, they had the right idea of having Goldberg slowly get revenge against each nWo member. He beat Hall and Nash on consecutive PPVs, and then...started a feud with Rick Steiner. They wrote Goldberg off TV for 2 months to film a movie, but used Rick Steiner as the reason why...made no sense what so ever. When Goldberg returned, he beat Steiner and then feuded with Sid over the US Title. And just like Sting looked like an idiot teaming with Nash the year previous, Goldberg looked like an idiot teaming with the newly turned face Hogan. Sting was hurt to start 1999, but returned to beat DDP for the world title...only to drop it back to him on the same show. From here, Sting did...really nothing of note until the fall when Russo had him turn heel for no reason. I’m starting to think Bret was right in his book when he said that Sting was happy to let other guys shine, even to a fault. I get a lot of guys had creative control at the time, but Sting seemed content being one of the top guys, but not THE top guy. This likely played a lot into his lack of booking direction following Starrcade ‘97.Could be, I think Jake also said as much in one of his shoot interviews when he talked about working with Sting in 1992. It sounds as though Sting didn't really care to get into the politics of the business and just went along with what was written, which really didn't do him any favors in the late 90s when it seems everyone was politicking at the time.
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Post by jking1979 on Apr 26, 2020 18:37:22 GMT -5
So took a break from my WCW ‘98 binge and have been following through 1999 recently. The presentation was still great, but the stories continued to tornado out of control; even further than in 1998. Just some thoughts on Sting and Goldberg in the early parts of 1999... Despite the “finger poke of doom” being a god-awful idea, they had the right idea of having Goldberg slowly get revenge against each nWo member. He beat Hall and Nash on consecutive PPVs, and then...started a feud with Rick Steiner. They wrote Goldberg off TV for 2 months to film a movie, but used Rick Steiner as the reason why...made no sense what so ever. When Goldberg returned, he beat Steiner and then feuded with Sid over the US Title. And just like Sting looked like an idiot teaming with Nash the year previous, Goldberg looked like an idiot teaming with the newly turned face Hogan. Sting was hurt to start 1999, but returned to beat DDP for the world title...only to drop it back to him on the same show. From here, Sting did...really nothing of note until the fall when Russo had him turn heel for no reason. I’m starting to think Bret was right in his book when he said that Sting was happy to let other guys shine, even to a fault. I get a lot of guys had creative control at the time, but Sting seemed content being one of the top guys, but not THE top guy. This likely played a lot into his lack of booking direction following Starrcade ‘97.Could be, I think Jake also said as much in one of his shoot interviews when he talked about working with Sting in 1992. It sounds as though Sting didn't really care to get into the politics of the business and just went along with what was written, which really didn't do him any favors in the late 90s when it seems everyone was politicking at the time. That is just more of a reason to respect him. I feel like he should have atleast won his first WWE match.
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