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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 17:39:13 GMT -5
Question. The finish to this match was also used as a vehicle for Bret and leverage the screw job. But what if screw job never happened? Or at least not used as part of this match. Has there been any discussion as to the first set of plans for this match? from what most of us hear, the original booking had a back and forth encounter, with Sting taking over the last 1/3 of the match and Hogan submitting to the Scorpion Deathlock. Yup. Hogan turned up day of and said this finish made him look weak......and it wouldn't support a buyrate to promote the rematch which was scheduled for Superbrawl. There was back and forth with a distressed Bischoff wanting to deliver what he had promised and Hogan to take some time off until the Spring. Its unknown generally who suggested the utter rubbish that we got. It has also been said by MANY who were there that Sting was in a bad way that day too. Utter disaster BUT the situation was still salvageable. Instead Randy "insecurity" Savage and Kevin "interference" Nash got involved and Stings title win became a plot device for the nWo split....... when this could EASILY have been accomplished the next night without Stings involvement. perhaps at the next PPV with Hogan deliberately getting Savage DQd? anything that didn't make Sting look like a friggin SAP.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Jul 30, 2015 9:23:28 GMT -5
from what most of us hear, the original booking had a back and forth encounter, with Sting taking over the last 1/3 of the match and Hogan submitting to the Scorpion Deathlock. Yup. Hogan turned up day of and said this finish made him look weak......and it wouldn't support a buyrate to promote the rematch which was scheduled for Superbrawl. There was back and forth with a distressed Bischoff wanting to deliver what he had promised and Hogan to take some time off until the Spring. Its unknown generally who suggested the utter rubbish that we got. It has also been said by MANY who were there that Sting was in a bad way that day too. Utter disaster BUT the situation was still salvageable. Instead Randy "insecurity" Savage and Kevin "interference" Nash got involved and Stings title win became a plot device for the nWo split....... when this could EASILY have been accomplished the next night without Stings involvement. perhaps at the next PPV with Hogan deliberately getting Savage DQd? anything that didn't make Sting look like a friggin SAP. Its got Kevin Sullivan written all over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 17:33:54 GMT -5
Yup. Hogan turned up day of and said this finish made him look weak......and it wouldn't support a buyrate to promote the rematch which was scheduled for Superbrawl. There was back and forth with a distressed Bischoff wanting to deliver what he had promised and Hogan to take some time off until the Spring. Its unknown generally who suggested the utter rubbish that we got. It has also been said by MANY who were there that Sting was in a bad way that day too. Utter disaster BUT the situation was still salvageable. Instead Randy "insecurity" Savage and Kevin "interference" Nash got involved and Stings title win became a plot device for the nWo split....... when this could EASILY have been accomplished the next night without Stings involvement. perhaps at the next PPV with Hogan deliberately getting Savage DQd? anything that didn't make Sting look like a friggin SAP. Its got Kevin Sullivan written all over it. maybe.......but for some reason I never felt Sullivan's hand in this. Also never heard his name in connection with it.
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Post by mikey1974 on Aug 1, 2015 17:53:00 GMT -5
Its got Kevin Sullivan written all over it. maybe.......but for some reason I never felt Sullivan's hand in this. Also never heard his name in connection with it. yeah. I've never heard of Sullivan being involved. if anything, the Taskmaster's influence was at a minimum during this time, with Hogan,Savage, Hall, and Nash telling Bischoff what to do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:56:22 GMT -5
maybe.......but for some reason I never felt Sullivan's hand in this. Also never heard his name in connection with it. yeah. I've never heard of Sullivan being involved. if anything, the Taskmaster's influence was at a minimum during this time, with Hogan,Savage, Hall, and Nash telling Bischoff what to do. I really like Randy Savage. I don't worship the macho Man they way some do(and that's cool both ways) but his name gets left out WAY too much during the conversations about people who did damage in 1998. Kudos Mikey.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Aug 3, 2015 10:37:11 GMT -5
maybe.......but for some reason I never felt Sullivan's hand in this. Also never heard his name in connection with it. yeah. I've never heard of Sullivan being involved. if anything, the Taskmaster's influence was at a minimum during this time, with Hogan,Savage, Hall, and Nash telling Bischoff what to do. Nope he was involved, but i can't prove he was involved with the specific cluster**** that happened, but i have my suspicions. His whole forte it seemed was protect Hulk Hogan, the man admits it himself during his Shoot Interview he did for Kayfabe Commentaries.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 9, 2015 20:30:18 GMT -5
yeah. I've never heard of Sullivan being involved. if anything, the Taskmaster's influence was at a minimum during this time, with Hogan,Savage, Hall, and Nash telling Bischoff what to do. I really like Randy Savage. I don't worship the macho Man they way some do(and that's cool both ways) but his name gets left out WAY too much during the conversations about people who did damage in 1998. Kudos Mikey. This. Yes Savage had a great feud with DDP and helped make a star unlike Hogan, Nash, etc... but Savage had just as much of a hand in the turmoil behind WCW as they did.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 14, 2015 15:40:27 GMT -5
Figured this was a good a place as any to ask this...
What was Sting's issues around this time? Was listening to Bischoff on Flair's podcast and he mentioned Sting had "things going on in his life".
Watch the whole video if you've never heard it. It's pretty good. Eric also mentioned how Sting was not working out much during his year off and was surprised by how he bad had looked the day of the event.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 23:36:33 GMT -5
Figured this was a good a place as any to ask this... What was Sting's issues around this time? Was listening to Bischoff on Flair's podcast and he mentioned Sting had "things going on in his life". Watch the whole video if you've never heard it. It's pretty good. Eric also mentioned how Sting was not working out much during his year off and was surprised by how he bad had looked the day of the event. Will watch this later.....seems interesting!!
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Post by PJ on Oct 15, 2015 7:21:41 GMT -5
Was that when his marriage started to fall apart because of his old lifestyle?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 10:14:52 GMT -5
well that was certainly enlightening and I have heard several guys say that Sting was in terrible shape the day of(with some insinuating he was messed up) However I'm not sure I believe Bischoff 100%.
Hogan by his own admission did gripe at the booking of the match.....so I'm not too sure what the story was.
Eitherway.....this in no way excuses their misuse of Sting in 1998. I would love to hear Eric's thoughts on that.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 15, 2015 11:06:09 GMT -5
The most alarming thing about that video is... Eric admittedly waited till the day of to have a meeting with the two participants about the finish to the biggest match in wCw history! IMO that's the sort of thing you should have been doing fer weeks maybe even months before.
No wonder wCw was always in such disarray.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 13:12:01 GMT -5
The most alarming thing about that video is... Eric admittedly waited till the day of to have a meeting with the two participants about the finish to the biggest match in wCw history! IMO that's the sort of thing you should have been doing fer weeks maybe even months before. No wonder wCw was always in such disarray. Yes.....very telling indeed.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 15, 2015 13:30:43 GMT -5
well that was certainly enlightening and I have heard several guys say that Sting was in terrible shape the day of(with some insinuating he was messed up) However I'm not sure I believe Bischoff 100%. Hogan by his own admission did gripe at the booking of the match.....so I'm not too sure what the story was. Eitherway.....this in no way excuses their misuse of Sting in 1998. I would love to hear Eric's thoughts on that. I watched the new Sting Documentary that WWE put out and Sting talks about the Starrcade match and what happened during that day. Hulk Hogan didn't want to put Sting over. Sting straight out says it. And Sting was upset that Hulk didn't want to do it. So Hogan came up with that other idea with the fast count - yet it wasn't a fast count. Sting was just there phoning it in that day because Hogan wouldn't do what was asked of him. Hogan said he spent this long building this up for it to just be taken away with Sting beating him. Hogan is a douche at times.
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Post by attitudesback on Oct 15, 2015 15:16:03 GMT -5
What a complete jackass. The build wasn't so boring old Hollywood would look better, it was a fantastic way of lengthening Sting's career and adding some serious depth to his character. The best build of all time and Hogan thought it would be for him?! Lol, he never surprises me.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 15, 2015 15:30:28 GMT -5
I see no legit reason as to why Hogan thinks he should have won. The whole year long build was all for Sting to be the one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:30:54 GMT -5
Hogan was a wipe in WCW.... No doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 5:28:20 GMT -5
Just going to leave this here..... Where do you get a program like that?? God id love to have something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 6:05:27 GMT -5
I see no legit reason as to why Hogan thinks he should have won. The whole year long build was all for Sting to be the one. Absolutely agreed 100%. Eric spent the entire year of 1997 building the most anticipated match in WCW history without shadow of doubt.....he went to great lengths to get Bret Hart. His plan going into 97 starting at Starrcade 1997 was to bring about the downfall of the nWo . Instead it led to its expansion and both Bret and sting being in the f*ckin nWo. Mind boggling that in the spring of 98 we were getting a savage vs Hogan feud instead of Sting being the focus. As I have said Savage doesn't shoulder enough of the blame at all for my liking. Hart should have been introduced at starrcade stopping the nWo interfering in Stings match. From then on he should have been the guy knocking off a major nWo member at every PPV. I still would have had his match with a distrustful Flair at Souled Out though. But hart was totally unprepared for a entire locker room full of A) political enemies in Hogan, Hall & Nash B) paranoid guys struggling to hold onto their upper card spots in Luger, Savage and Giant C) newer singles stars getting a push who feared Harts arrival in Steiner, Buff. It was never gonna work out for him. Tragic really......when you think what could have been.....
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 23, 2015 8:29:05 GMT -5
I see no legit reason as to why Hogan thinks he should have won. The whole year long build was all for Sting to be the one. Absolutely agreed 100%. Eric spent the entire year of 1997 building the most anticipated match in WCW history without shadow of doubt.....he went to great lengths to get Bret Hart. His plan going into 97 starting at Starrcade 1997 was to bring about the downfall of the nWo . Instead it led to its expansion and both Bret and sting being in the f*ckin nWo. Mind boggling that in the spring of 98 we were getting a savage vs Hogan feud instead of Sting being the focus. As I have said Savage doesn't shoulder enough of the blame at all for my liking. Hart should have been introduced at starrcade stopping the nWo interfering in Stings match. From then on he should have been the guy knocking off a major nWo member at every PPV. I still would have had his match with a distrustful Flair at Souled Out though. But hart was totally unprepared for a entire locker room full of A) political enemies in Hogan, Hall & Nash B) paranoid guys struggling to hold onto their upper card spots in Luger, Savage and Giant C) newer singles stars getting a push who feared Harts arrival in Steiner, Buff. It was never gonna work out for him. Tragic really......when you think what could have been..... Hart should've been built up all year to face Sting for the World Title at Starrcade. Then sometime in 1999 Hart would drop it to Goldberg to give him the rub, with Bret going into a feud with Hogan to put the finishing touches on the year-long destruction of the nWo by finally beating the last remaining piece: Hollywood. Shortly after that, Hogan would have a "Slaughter moment" where he realizes what he's donw was wrong, and that in the end it only hurt him and those he cared about. So Hogan returns to the red and yellow.
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