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Steen/Dragon was fine. Every Guerrilla Warfare match prior to the Steen/Cole one was fine by me. Drake/Sami sucked and reeked of stupid CZW bullsh-t, that's what I'm more upset about.

Edit: Actually, you know what? I don't even care that she bled in retrospect. The stupidity of a woman coming back from a SPIKE TOMBSTONE ON THE FLOOR is way worse. Steamboat eats a DDT on the floor and gets carried out. Foley eats a spike tombstone and they sell it like he's dead. A girl takes a springboard spike tombstone piledriver on the floor and wins the match for her team. that.

Also, "don't like it, don't watch it"? Well, I don't like it and I'm not going to watch it but that doesn't change the fact that I'm well within my reach to complain about something like this.

I'm just shocked that people still do tack spots in 2014, not that they're in a GW match.



They're not even glorified spot monkeys. They are just flat out spot monkeys.



That's highly, highly, highly debatable but it all comes down to preference. I don't mind the Bucks when they're kept under 15 minutes like they were with reDRagon at War of the Worlds or Time Splitters at Dominion (though I don't love that match as much as other people). Any more than that and it just gets ridiculous with them.

There are a number of tag teams I'd place over them if we were talking best tag team in the world but again, that comes down to preference. What you like isn't what I like and that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that I think a spike tombstone on the floor not being the finish is the dumbest sh-t in the world and I'm never going to take anyone who tries to argue that it's not seriously.

Honestly, when it comes down to match quality, few beat The Young Bucks. Over the last 5 years they have put on so many amazing matches in both PWG, ROH and now in New Japan. Even their TNA matches were very good. I know some may not like them, but I find them very entertaining, great athletes, and when i met them, great people.

re: PWG being spotfests - they weren't near as bad with it until a couple of years ago but it's a true enough point. There've always been dudes doing that stuff on their shows but nothing ANYWHERE near as stupid as a spike tombstone on the floor.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the Bucks being the best team in the world. A good chunk of the best tag matches I've seen this year didn't even involve those two.

And again, re: tack bumps: I'm shocked THAT PEOPLE STILL DO THEM NOW. They don't bother me in the sense that I find them hard to watch. I watch Taker/Foley HIAC multiple times a year and have since that match happened when I was in kindergarten. It just baffles me that those spots still get a reaction and that guys do them now, which is what I've pretty much said a number of times at this point.

As I said before, this all comes down to preference. I don't think they're as consistent when it comes to great matches but they're not what I want to see. Frankly, most of their New Japan run has been unbearable to me but I did like the Time Splitters match from Dominion but not as much as most other people did. I'm really not a fan of spot wrestling on most days. It's why I don't watch much Dragon Gate.



Actually, it's really not. It all comes down to what you want to see. To me, the American Wolves are better than the Bucks. So are reDRagon. So are Goto and Shibata. So are Bad Influence. You want to know the wonderful thing? It's okay to not agree with me, because people can have different opinions on stuff. The key is to not present your opinion as fact in something as subjective as pro wrestling.

What you think is the best clearly isn't what I think is the best, just like I'm not a fan of the Bullet Club but you are and we're never going to agree on if the Bullet Club are actually a good thing or not because we want to see different things. I'm not going to tell you that they're the worst ing thing to happen in New Japan in YEARS and that you can't argue that they're not because I'd expect to not have "BUCKS ARE THE BEST YOU CAN'T ARGUE OR THINK OTHERWISE~!" shoved down my throat when I don't feel that way and I'm not going to because I don't think they are. Guess I expected too much.

I liked RD/Bucks from WOTW but that is, again, the Bucks in a contained setting. When they're in a match that's around 15 or so minutes and they don't have time to get into doing really stupid stuff, I can have fun watching them.

My favorite tag match this year was Nakamura/Ishii vs. Tanahashi/Naito from the New Japan Anniversary Show, followed by Nakamura/Okada/Ishii vs. Tanahashi/Goto/Naito from 2/22 at Korakuen, though some people would argue that's not 'really' a tag match since it's a six man tag. Goto/Shibata vs. Nagata/Honma ruled, too. So did Tanahashi/Makabe vs. Goto/Shibata, and Tanahashi/Naito vs. Goto/Shibata. Wolves vs. Junior Stars from the July 6th Wrestle-1 show was great, too.

But once again, it's all subjective. That's what makes wrestling fun. Opinions and sh-t, just not when people try to act like their opinion is fact.

Jonathan Karate get over here and embrace me, brother.

I think once they got on SBG and they turned into like...the redneck version of the Bushwhackers, their in ring work went off a cliff but I still love those dudes.

You can say that again. Has any company ever had a hot streak of shows this long before? I literally cannot think of the last time they had a bad show. I realise its pretty hard to have a bad show with their format but god damn.