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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2012 16:59:57 GMT -5
Ya Taker was the one guy that actually went to smackdown and didnt feel like its was a B show.
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jun 6, 2012 18:53:14 GMT -5
Not important too Raw? Do you remember who won the fan poll for greatest Raw superstar of all time that was online prior to the 15th anniversary , it wasn't Austin or the Rock it was the Undertaker
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Jun 6, 2012 19:07:11 GMT -5
I say have HBK, Taker and HHH in the ring, having a touching, slightly tense moment.
Lesnar return, decimate Taker and HBK, giving HHH reason to want to face him AND providing further fuel to the fire of Taker vs Lesnar at 'Mania.
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Post by muccguy88 on Jun 6, 2012 19:27:30 GMT -5
I say have HBK, Taker and HHH in the ring, having a touching, slightly tense moment. Lesnar return, decimate Taker and HBK, giving HHH reason to want to face him AND providing further fuel to the fire of Taker vs Lesnar at 'Mania. What about DX does the funny business. Lesnar comes out and wrecks them. Then the lights go out and Taker is in the ring. Lesnar runs off. That could set up Taker vs Lesnar down the road. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 6, 2012 20:19:19 GMT -5
HBK Appretiation night..."Thank you Shawn for drawing the worst numbers Raw saw in the 90s and for being a huge ass."  |
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Post by orton1994 on Jun 6, 2012 20:30:14 GMT -5
HBK Appretiation night..."Thank you Shawn for drawing the worst numbers Raw saw in the 90s and for being a huge ass."  |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 6, 2012 22:03:36 GMT -5
HBK Appretiation night..."Thank you Shawn for drawing the worst numbers Raw saw in the 90s and for being a huge ass." Yeah that, or for WrestleMania 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 26... He's sort of a big deal. I would go so far as to call him the best, ever. You Bret fans kill me ;D |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 6, 2012 22:14:17 GMT -5
HBK Appretiation night..."Thank you Shawn for drawing the worst numbers Raw saw in the 90s and for being a huge ass." Yeah that, or for WrestleMania 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 26... He's sort of a big deal. I would go so far as to call him the best, ever. You Bret fans kill me ;D Why? Because Bret was THE MAN when he was around and is a far better in-ring performer than HBK ever was? HBK had a great run in the 90s but lets face it, of all the top guys in the 90s, HBK drew the worst. And how do Bret fans kill you? HBK fans are the ones who have a heart attack if his name is simply mentioned. The guy was a great performer, but its a joke people claim everything he did in the last 4 years of his career was great, because it wasn't. His matches w/ Taker at WM are overrated, and his feud w/ Jericho in 2008 was the only memorable thing he did in his final years. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 6, 2012 23:00:12 GMT -5
Yeah that, or for WrestleMania 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 26... He's sort of a big deal. I would go so far as to call him the best, ever. You Bret fans kill me ;D Why? Because Bret was THE MAN when he was around and is a far better in-ring performer than HBK ever was? HBK had a great run in the 90s but lets face it, of all the top guys in the 90s, HBK drew the worst. And how do Bret fans kill you? HBK fans are the ones who have a heart attack if his name is simply mentioned. The guy was a great performer, but its a joke people claim everything he did in the last 4 years of his career was great, because it wasn't. His matches w/ Taker at WM are overrated, and his feud w/ Jericho in 2008 was the only memorable thing he did in his final years. I was just joking around with you... Although, you're probably right. That Bret Hart match from WM26 was way better than Shawn's performance that night. Clearly, I appear to have unintentionally struck a nerve. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 0:03:23 GMT -5
I'm wondering what exactly Undertaker will do? Take 10 minutes getting to the ring just to beat up a jobber? Interrupt someone's promo leading to a future match? Get Mae Young pregnant?
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Post by Daniel Bryan Says No on Jun 7, 2012 0:06:49 GMT -5
Yeah that, or for WrestleMania 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 19, 20, 21, 23, 25, 26... He's sort of a big deal. I would go so far as to call him the best, ever. You Bret fans kill me ;D Why? Because Bret was THE MAN when he was around and is a far better in-ring performer than HBK ever was? HBK had a great run in the 90s but lets face it, of all the top guys in the 90s, HBK drew the worst. And how do Bret fans kill you? HBK fans are the ones who have a heart attack if his name is simply mentioned. The guy was a great performer, but its a joke people claim everything he did in the last 4 years of his career was great, because it wasn't. His matches w/ Taker at WM are overrated, and his feud w/ Jericho in 2008 was the only memorable thing he did in his final years. To be fair, WCW was coming on strong with the nWo stuff at that point and WWF was going the more cartoon route with Dentists and Pirates. |
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Post by Damien Demento for HOF on Jun 7, 2012 0:18:24 GMT -5
Rematch of the first RAW main event please. Undertaker vs. the great Damien Demento. finally someone with taste. Demento deserves his chance for revenge and to reign over all in the WWE universe. Summer of Demento! |
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jun 7, 2012 1:41:37 GMT -5
Rematch of the first RAW main event please. Undertaker vs. the great Damien Demento. finally someone with taste. Demento deserves his chance for revenge and to reign over all in the WWE universe. Summer of Demento! You are back! Good timing. |
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jun 7, 2012 2:40:48 GMT -5
I really hope he's there... It would only be appropriate for the guy that main evented the 1st Raw to be at the 1000th. heck, the fact that he's been with the company long enough to to do that is pretty awesome.
I really hope they pull out all the stops for the show. I'm also hoping for a new opening and theme, but I won't be bothered without that.
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Post by Kasper on Jun 7, 2012 2:51:49 GMT -5
So Shawn's gonna wrestle and Lesnar will destroy him? or is Lesnar just gonna straight up wreck his sh*t with no match? DX will probably being doing the funnies in ring, then Lesnar will come out with Heyman and say to HHH that he's not allowed to lay a hand on either of them or he'll be arrested or something then Lesnar will just go ape crap on HBK, then HHH will demand an unsanctioned match at Summerslam Good idea ma dude, that'd be an awesome set up! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 5:07:55 GMT -5
Why? Because Bret was THE MAN when he was around and is a far better in-ring performer than HBK ever was? HBK had a great run in the 90s but lets face it, of all the top guys in the 90s, HBK drew the worst. And how do Bret fans kill you? HBK fans are the ones who have a heart attack if his name is simply mentioned. The guy was a great performer, but its a joke people claim everything he did in the last 4 years of his career was great, because it wasn't. His matches w/ Taker at WM are overrated, and his feud w/ Jericho in 2008 was the only memorable thing he did in his final years. I was just joking around with you... Although, you're probably right. That Bret Hart match from WM26 was way better than Shawn's performance that night. Clearly, I appear to have unintentionally struck a nerve. Yeah because Shawn Michaels also had a stroke in 2002....  |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 7, 2012 8:20:42 GMT -5
Why? Because Bret was THE MAN when he was around and is a far better in-ring performer than HBK ever was? HBK had a great run in the 90s but lets face it, of all the top guys in the 90s, HBK drew the worst. And how do Bret fans kill you? HBK fans are the ones who have a heart attack if his name is simply mentioned. The guy was a great performer, but its a joke people claim everything he did in the last 4 years of his career was great, because it wasn't. His matches w/ Taker at WM are overrated, and his feud w/ Jericho in 2008 was the only memorable thing he did in his final years. To be fair, WCW was coming on strong with the nWo stuff at that point and WWF was going the more cartoon route with Dentists and Pirates. The dentist and pirates gimmicks were from 1995 when Diesel was still on top. Like you said though the nWo stuff didn't help, but the two most watched months for the WWF in 1996 were January and February when Bret was champ. And the highest rated Raw that year was when Bret made his return in the fall of that year. |
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Post by S on Jun 7, 2012 8:50:55 GMT -5
Christ, some people prefer Bret, some people prefer HBK... both were fantastic in the ring and were both staples of WWE
Does it really matter who is slightly better?
(And it reeally is a matter of being slightly better, there's not that much between them... also HBK's strengths were Bret's weakness, and visa-versa)
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Post by June on Jun 7, 2012 9:11:30 GMT -5
Rematch of the first RAW main event please. Undertaker vs. the great Damien Demento. finally someone with taste. Demento deserves his chance for revenge and to reign over all in the WWE universe. Summer of Demento! The summer of demento sounds a lot better the summer of Big Show sloppy big n tall formal wear, and condom entrance skull caps. I don't get the Bret Hart HBK argument, niether were a draw, and niether is the best ever, or even close. It's like arguing who is the better captain of a sinking ship. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 7, 2012 9:47:09 GMT -5
I was just joking around with you... Although, you're probably right. That Bret Hart match from WM26 was way better than Shawn's performance that night. Clearly, I appear to have unintentionally struck a nerve. Yeah because Shawn Michaels also had a stroke in 2002.... I was just being a smart ass. I like Bret too, and although that match was atrocious, it was fantastic to have him back and especially to get that moment on Raw on January 4th. I just personally like, and have always liked, Shawn better. I feel like a lot of people don't know how to like both though, it's either one or the other. It's been 15 years since Montreal, and Shawn spent 10 years trying to make up for being a giant dick in the 90's. Additionally, Shawn Michaels shouldering, or fans trying to shoulder him with, the responsibility for WWF's decline in 1995/1996 is trivial to me. ESPECIALLY, when DX, The Hart Foundation, and Steve Austin collectively saved WWF and created what became the WWF Attitude Era during 1997. Just because Austin ended up being "the man," doesn't mean everyone else was standing around with their thumb up their ass. And say what you want, but Shawn stayed, and Bret didn't, so I have a serious problem with people throwing HBK under the bus when he and Undertaker were unequivocally Vince's best soldiers in the darkest days of WWF. I'm not going to bicker over ability. Fans who like Bret are going to like Bret more, and HBK fans are going to explain why they think he was the best. I think HBK was hands down, far and away, the most gifted wrestler I have ever seen in 1997, especially as a heel. Whatever angry, drug induced, chip on his shoulder he was carrying around at that time made him an absolute phenom on the mic and in the ring, more so than he had already proven to be prior to that point. And I don't think this is a coincidence, that was also quite easily Bret's best period on the mic of his entire career as well imo. Then you flash forward to 2002, where HBK got a second career so-to-speak. He had match-after-match where he continued to make everyone from Triple H, Chris Jericho, Shelton Benjamin, Chris Benoit, John Cena, the Undertaker, and countless others look as good or better than they had ever looked before. Bret never got that, and sadly, us WCW fans got to see Bret's flame flicker, fade and eventually burn out after he left WWF. I  ing hate when Bret fans are bitter about that, like it's Shawn's fault Bret left, like it's Shawn's fault he was able to come back a new guy, like he somehow wasn't as good as fans were making him out to be. Name me one guy from 2002 to 2010 that collectively built a list of as many great matches as HBK? I'd love to see it, and here your argument. I personally think Shawn was better from 1995-98 than he was at any point in his career. But his "second coming" was incredible. What should have been the twilight years of his career ended up giving us some of the most memorable WrestleMania matches we have ever seen. I mean do people actually remember anything on the Mania 25 card besides either a) how bad Triple vs Orton ended up being, or b) Undertaker vs Shawn? Outside of Punk vs Rey, I personally think HBK vs Taker was the only good match on the card at Mania 26 as well, and it was not just good it was great. I'm not sure how you can take away anything from Shawn between 2002 to 2010 because all he did was everything right imo. |
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