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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 19, 2012 23:45:28 GMT -5
OK, I had a complaint and a question/suggestion...
Let's start with the bad. What has happend to the quality of these figures? It's not every figure you do thankfully, but it seems to be more of the important figures that get ruined. The Elite 16 Rock and CM Punk are my main current gripe. The Rock's goatee isn't sculpted and looks like a board members first custom job, and CM Punks scan is a down grade since his last Elite scan. This is starting to remind me of JAKKS. Most of us remember JAKKS Rey Mysterio back tattoo aswell as Lesnars. They gave us one figure with an amazing tattoo, then the rest look drawn on with sharpie.
My other gripe with quality is the rubber shirts. I understand it cuts down in stains on figures, but when we are paying a high end price on what i would say are collectibles not figures, we should get just that. The fabric shirts are a must When I get a rubber shirt I feel almost cheated. I also like that with a fabric shirt, I can buy multiple of that figure to use on other figures. I.E RSC Exclusive Macho Man. Had that been a fabric shirt, I would have bought atleast 4 of them for future nWo releases. I did the same with Elite Barrett for the Nexus shirt and armband. In my area Elites go from 16.99-19.99 each. So, if you could, please drop the rubber shirts, and custom looking paint apps. With that said, let me go on to the question suggestion half...
My question is, will the Legends/Flashback's/RSC Exclusive Legends all remain in the 90's?
With this years release of nWo Macho Man, DDP, and Outsider Nash, it has me wanting more Monday Night War era figures. This was my era!!!( im 24 ) I'd love to see some of WWF's, WCW's, and even ECW's top players. Possible some mid-carders as well. What are the odds of getting a series on Matty Collector 3 times a year that was a Monday-Night Wars series? 6 figures in all from the 3 major company's? All elite style!!!
MNW Series 1:
Goldberg w/ United States title
The Giant w/ nWo shirt and can of spray paint
Triple H w/ DX Shirt
Stone Cold Steve Austin w/ Smoking Skull Title
Terry Funk w/ Funk University shirt and removable bandana
Tommy Dreamer w/ ECW shirt and kendo stick
MNW Series 2:
Chris Jericho w/ 1001 holds sheet
Dean Malenko w/ cruiserweight title
Undertaker w/ WWF world Title
Mankind w/ removable mask and chair
Mike Awesome w/ ECW world title
Masato Tanaka w/ table
MNW Series 3:
Scott Hall w/ nWo shirt and cattle prode
Lex Luger
The Rock
Ken Shamrock w/ Intercontinental Title
Shane Douglas w/ removable cast
Tazz w/ towel and table
Possible ever giving us a 2 pack option based of sales, so we can get the famous tag teams from this historical time in wrestling. ECW would be pretty much out of this one, seeing how RVD/ Sabu, Dudley's, Pitbull's, Eliminator's, and Impact Player's arrn't gunna happen...
MNW Tag Teams series 1:
Harlem Heat w/ WCW tag Team Championships
New Age Outlaws w/ WWF tag Team Championships
Dudley Boyz ( One can dream) w/ ECW tag team championship
This would give the opportunity for collector's to get their hands on certain figures that wouldn't sell amongst the masses, but with some high choice figures in the series, could show that there is enough of a fan base, that the figure would sell on shelves. This would also give us the consumer, the opportunity to get 6 figures a year from WCW, WWF, and ECW, with additionally chance to get Tag Teams from that era. With this plus the Flashbacks, and Mattycollector Legend poll figures, we would be able to get enough legends every year to keep everyone satisfied. Thank You-
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Post by Richikane on Jun 19, 2012 23:52:14 GMT -5
CM Punks scan is actually really great in person, way better than I expected. the paint could have been done lighter on his beard but its still an up grade from the last scan.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 19, 2012 23:54:49 GMT -5
If they're not under Legends deals then there is no plans to have them (flashbacks) made. They've stated that many times. If they ever concentrated on one era of wrestling alone it would completely destroy an already struggling line. It should have and never will be all about just "one era". Just because the attitude era was popular then doesnt mean their fans will buy figures now. Id be willing to guess that a good percentage of Attitude Era fans arent even fans of wrestling any longer.
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Post by Fave on Jun 19, 2012 23:55:49 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me about the Elite 16 Punk is that he has a beard at all when in fact he was pretty much clean shaven at the event besides the stubble.
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Post by qdogg on Jun 19, 2012 23:57:35 GMT -5
Most of those guys in your list will never see the light of day in the mattel line. Terry Funk's legends figure has been collecting dust on shelves for years and its doubtful they would do any of those other ecw guys. Luger, Mankind, Goldberg and the Giant are strong possiblilites down the road I would think.
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Post by East Coast on Jun 20, 2012 0:01:27 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me about the Elite 16 Punk is that he has a beard at all when in fact he was pretty much clean shaven at the event besides the stubble. thats becuz they stopped making punk figures. They didn't know if he was going to stay signed w/ WWE. So they kinda skipped that head sculpt. remember this head is from a Basic....it wasn't made specifically for this figure |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 20, 2012 1:23:10 GMT -5
The objective of a company is to make money. Mattel has no incentive to spend more money to try and make us happy. The more money they spend, the less profit they will make. They are constantly seeing what details they can cut or what accessories they can cheapen or skip as to make the most money possible.
We have no leverage. We can either buy whatever they choose to give us, or have no figures. It's a pretty simple situation.
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Post by si4life02 on Jun 20, 2012 1:24:21 GMT -5
The Rock was thrown in last minute that's why it was painted not sculpted
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 20, 2012 1:49:03 GMT -5
Most of those guys in your list will never see the light of day in the mattel line. Terry Funk's legends figure has been collecting dust on shelves for years and its doubtful they would do any of those other ecw guys. Luger, Mankind, Goldberg and the Giant are strong possiblilites down the road I would think. The Terry Funk figure failed because of the attire chosen. Had they gone with the ECW attire, the black, white, and red attire with removable bandana, the figure would have flown off shelves. The character selection made through out the legend line was great. Its the attire's that killed the line. Plus the fact they didn't have huge names to help launch the line. Had LOD been in their red/black design they would have sold faster than the NWA selection Dusty Rhodes should have been the NWA version, not the WWF joke. Ravishing Rick Rude should have come with the Intercontinental Championship. Mattel re-releasing Legends Series 1 as a Hall of Fame series is what killed KMART from restocking them, because the hung around so long. Everyone but Stone Cold sold from the Hall of Fame line. Big names sell, but attire choice can sometimes over ride that factor. The best example of that is the Legends 2-packs. The Bushwackers was a great choice. 2 feuds and 1 tag team. Sheik and Volkof was great, but that should have been a future filler. Warrior-Savage would have been the best pair. If I was on the design team for those releases, it would have looked like this: Macho Man vs Ultimate warrior Legion of Doom red/black attire Stone Cold vs The Rock That covers 2 huge feuds, and one great tag team. With a first release like this, they would have all sold from matty's stock as well as the store's it was in.... Later on selling for double in after-market sites. Showing the store that there is huge demand for this series, and that they will defiantly like to further business with a high-demand series. Instead, Matty bombed and so did the series, that to this day is still on shelves, for $9.99. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 20, 2012 2:48:05 GMT -5
Most of those guys in your list will never see the light of day in the mattel line. Terry Funk's legends figure has been collecting dust on shelves for years and its doubtful they would do any of those other ecw guys. Luger, Mankind, Goldberg and the Giant are strong possiblilites down the road I would think. The Terry Funk figure failed because of the attire chosen. Had they gone with the ECW attire, the black, white, and red attire with removable bandana, the figure would have flown off shelves.The character selection made through out the legend line was great. Its the attire's that killed the line. Plus the fact they didn't have huge names to help launch the line. Had LOD been in their red/black design they would have sold faster than the NWA selection Dusty Rhodes should have been the NWA version, not the WWF joke. Ravishing Rick Rude should have come with the Intercontinental Championship. Mattel re-releasing Legends Series 1 as a Hall of Fame series is what killed KMART from restocking them, because the hung around so long. Everyone but Stone Cold sold from the Hall of Fame line. Big names sell, but attire choice can sometimes over ride that factor. The best example of that is the Legends 2-packs. The Bushwackers was a great choice. 2 feuds and 1 tag team. Sheik and Volkof was great, but that should have been a future filler. Warrior-Savage would have been the best pair. If I was on the design team for those releases, it would have looked like this: Macho Man vs Ultimate warrior Legion of Doom red/black attire Stone Cold vs The Rock That covers 2 huge feuds, and one great tag team. With a first release like this, they would have all sold from matty's stock as well as the store's it was in.... Later on selling for double in after-market sites. Showing the store that there is huge demand for this series, and that they will defiantly like to further business with a high-demand series. Instead, Matty bombed and so did the series, that to this day is still on shelves, for $9.99. -These couldnt have been more wrong. Terry Funk, while a legend in many generations, isnt a top tier guy. His Jakks figures didnt "fly off shelves" and no matter what you made his Mattel figure. They werent going to fly off shelves either -The Character selection didnt kill the line, the saturation of the Legends/Classic figure is what killed the line. What was there truly left for Mattel to make that Jakks didnt? Savage, Steamboat and Von Erich...That's it. Why would people by Slaughter, Duggan, Austin or anyone else when they've already been made numerous times. Not to mention Jakks put a real sour and damper on collectors by jerking them around for a year. A lot of people didnt want to start over again. -The Road Warriors/LOD argument will NEVER hold up. I might be able to give you Slaughter or Rhodes or even Snuka but the Road Warriors DID fly off the shelves. They're the most expensive Legends figures in a secondary market (ebay etc) and they were the most expensive figures on RSC in the entire set. Road Warriors are names like Ultimate Warrior, No matter what you put them in, they are going to sell. There is no factual proof to show that LOD style would have sold any more or any better then the Road Warriors did. Period! Im sick of people basically saying "Well it wasnt in my generation so it wont sell"...Its petty. |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Jun 20, 2012 2:54:19 GMT -5
Well technically L3 Rock and L1 Austin are the most expensive secondary market figures...
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 20, 2012 3:09:05 GMT -5
The Terry Funk figure failed because of the attire chosen. Had they gone with the ECW attire, the black, white, and red attire with removable bandana, the figure would have flown off shelves.The character selection made through out the legend line was great. Its the attire's that killed the line. Plus the fact they didn't have huge names to help launch the line. Had LOD been in their red/black design they would have sold faster than the NWA selection Dusty Rhodes should have been the NWA version, not the WWF joke. Ravishing Rick Rude should have come with the Intercontinental Championship. Mattel re-releasing Legends Series 1 as a Hall of Fame series is what killed KMART from restocking them, because the hung around so long. Everyone but Stone Cold sold from the Hall of Fame line. Big names sell, but attire choice can sometimes over ride that factor. The best example of that is the Legends 2-packs. The Bushwackers was a great choice. 2 feuds and 1 tag team. Sheik and Volkof was great, but that should have been a future filler. Warrior-Savage would have been the best pair. If I was on the design team for those releases, it would have looked like this: Macho Man vs Ultimate warrior Legion of Doom red/black attire Stone Cold vs The Rock That covers 2 huge feuds, and one great tag team. With a first release like this, they would have all sold from matty's stock as well as the store's it was in.... Later on selling for double in after-market sites. Showing the store that there is huge demand for this series, and that they will defiantly like to further business with a high-demand series. Instead, Matty bombed and so did the series, that to this day is still on shelves, for $9.99. -These couldnt have been more wrong. Terry Funk, while a legend in many generations, isnt a top tier guy. His Jakks figures didnt "fly off shelves" and no matter what you made his Mattel figure. They werent going to fly off shelves either -The Character selection didnt kill the line, the saturation of the Legends/Classic figure is what killed the line. What was there truly left for Mattel to make that Jakks didnt? Savage, Steamboat and Von Erich...That's it. Why would people by Slaughter, Duggan, Austin or anyone else when they've already been made numerous times. Not to mention Jakks put a real sour and damper on collectors by jerking them around for a year. A lot of people didnt want to start over again. -The Road Warriors/LOD argument will NEVER hold up. I might be able to give you Slaughter or Rhodes or even Snuka but the Road Warriors DID fly off the shelves. They're the most expensive Legends figures in a secondary market (ebay etc) and they were the most expensive figures on RSC in the entire set. Road Warriors are names like Ultimate Warrior, No matter what you put them in, they are going to sell. There is no factual proof to show that LOD style would have sold any more or any better then the Road Warriors did. Period! Im sick of people basically saying "Well it wasnt in my generation so it wont sell"...Its petty. This site is a great starting point. Nearly every month someone starts a poll on tag teams. The 2 that hit the highest on a wanting scale are, and have always been Harlem Heat and LOD Red/Black. When Mattel gave us LOD, we hade around 20 people pleased to see the NWA attire, and the rest of the site pissed that it wasn't red/black. Thats just this forum. Im sure it was the same way around the net. When JAKKS chooses the red/black attire for them, and THQ does the same for them in a video game, that shows what their most requested/memorable attire was. Mattel stated that their design team chose to go a different route with their legends attires, since they feel that JAKKS made one, that Mattel would make another. Unfortunately, that choice failed the line. Thats the point im getting at. Their choices would have ben great repaints in battle packs later on down the road. When your launching a series, that a former company let drive itself into the ground, you have to break the mold. Mattel couldn't deliver. With the legends that is. And come on.. ECW Terry Funk, was way better than WWF's Funk. The scene with McMahon and Funk in the bar.....JOKE |
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Post by Daryl on Jun 20, 2012 4:08:03 GMT -5
As far as the rubber shirts go, the only figures to include them so far has been Orton, Mysterio and Savage.
I think Mysterio's is perfectly fine as it in no way hinders the articulation. I don't have the Savage figure but from what I can tell it doesn't look to hinder the articulation either. Orton's shirt on the other hand doesn't allow for shoulder rotation which is a bummer.
Also, Mattel isn't thinking about "the collectors will buy five of these for the shirts so we better make them cloth". They're taking into account cost of the series AND if it benefits the quality of the figure.
Macho Man comes with a "Madness" NWO shirt which to my knowledge only he wore, so it wouldn't make sense to be putting these on future NWO releases. And do you not think Mattel will release an NWO shirt with a future figure anyway?
You want EIGHTEEN figures a year to be Matty exclusives? You mad. They never sell out of the Legends they put up once every 2 months.
Why would Mattel not want figures of Goldberg, Mankind, The Rock, Stone Cold on store shelves in flashback form rather than only making them available to a few people on the internet.
And you won't be getting a Scott Hall, watch this video:
Skip to 3 minutes in for the reason why.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jun 20, 2012 4:23:23 GMT -5
As far as the rubber shirts go, the only figures to include them so far has been Orton, Mysterio and Savage. I think Mysterio's is perfectly fine as it in no way hinders the articulation. I don't have the Savage figure but from what I can tell it doesn't look to hinder the articulation either. Orton's shirt on the other hand doesn't allow for shoulder rotation which is a bummer. Also, Mattel isn't thinking about "the collectors will buy five of these for the shirts so we better make them cloth". They're taking into account cost of the series AND if it benefits the quality of the figure. Macho Man comes with a "Madness" NWO shirt which to my knowledge only he wore, so it wouldn't make sense to be putting these on future NWO releases. And do you not think Mattel will release an NWO shirt with a future figure anyway? You want EIGHTEEN figures a year to be Matty exclusives? You mad. They never sell out of the Legends they put up once every 2 months. Why would Mattel not want figures of Goldberg, Mankind, The Rock, Stone Cold on store shelves in flashback form rather than only making them available to a few people on the internet. And you won't be getting a Scott Hall, watch this video: Skip to 3 minutes in for the reason why. My point of the shirts is that as the consumer, don't you feel alittle cheated that the quality is dropping and the price is climbing?? We go from cloth shirts to rubberand good scans to drawn on facial hair... Look at the DX Elite HHH. He has blended hair. Mattel has stated that that is an expensive paint app. At $20+ a figure, i feel we should be getting the best of the best. |
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Post by Daryl on Jun 20, 2012 5:11:11 GMT -5
Rubber shirts don't bother me unless harms the articulation like I mentioned with the Orton figure. The Mysterio style shirt is perfect for the rubber style and allows for the back design.
I may be wrong but the "drawn on" facial hair hasn't happened before and was explained by Mattel as being a last minute addition. While I don't particularly like the figure it's not like Mattel has this massive track record for putting out crappy product.
Funnily enough I do have the DX Triple H/HBK/Hornswoggle displayed on my desk and I'm looking at those figures and my biggest gripes with them are the hair colours for both HHH and HBK are wrong and the shirts are fraying/curling at the ends after only being displayed. HBK would have benefitted from a rubber shirt.
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Post by brianregan09 on Jun 20, 2012 5:12:50 GMT -5
Are you serious you're saying that because of something that happened before Scott Halls wrestling career even started we're not getting a figure of him , Get real..how many figures have there been of Scott since then ...number aint 0 anyway
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Post by Daryl on Jun 20, 2012 5:17:45 GMT -5
Are you serious you're saying that because of something that happened before Scott Halls wrestling career even started we're not getting a figure of him , Get real..how many figures have there been of Scott since then ...number aint 0 anyway Mattel have been asked about making a Scott Hall figure and they said something along the lines of a definate no. I can't remember the exact quote though. The documentary is recent and the shooting was kept quiet for years so WWE or Jakks wouldn't have known about it. The revelation of the shooting coupled with the fact Scott Hall is a PR disaster WWE/Mattel probably want to distance themselves from him. |
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Post by hitmaniac on Jun 20, 2012 5:33:58 GMT -5
This forum/site desperately needs an FAQ. Please.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jun 20, 2012 5:43:44 GMT -5
As pertaining to rocks beard, I'm assuming that was just a quick way to get us a bearded rock (like they did with Ortons beard in the ss1 & BP with mason Ryan) & I'm sure we will get a better one sculpted on, like b19 orton & BP orton/Christian. It just takes time
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Post by BURNING HAMMER on Jun 20, 2012 6:41:25 GMT -5
I don't see the need for an entire line devoted to only one time period. Matty Exclusives and Flashbacks are a great way for us to get legendary or significant figures of key guys.
We get an average of 6 Elite waves per year, with each of those waves containing a maximum of 2 Flashback names. Matty Exclusives give us an additional 6 Legends per year. If this set-up is still used in 2013, that means we stand to get up to 18 classic figures per year -- the same number of figures proposed by you.
After the failed retail Legends line, not to mention Entrance Greats and Defining Moments, I think it's safe to say Mattel aren't going to be too keen on taking yet another gamble with such a niche product.
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