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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 14:46:29 GMT -5
I can't stand Hogan, at all. With the right marketing, anyone could have been Hulk Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 14:53:52 GMT -5
I can't stand Hogan, at all. With the right marketing, anyone could have been Hulk Hogan. I disagree, not anyone could have been Hogan. Are you telling me they could have taken Barry Horrowitz or Hakushi and turned him into the most recognzable face on the planet? I don't think so, there may be one or two that could be debated (Savage being one of them), but not anyone could have been Hogan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 14:55:40 GMT -5
I can't stand Hogan, at all. With the right marketing, anyone could have been Hulk Hogan. While this is true to an extent, you can't deny the fact that Hogan was able to get over and be top guy anywhere he went with or without the McMahon machine behind him. Case in point being his regional days in AWA and his work in Japan |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 15:10:46 GMT -5
I think its fair to say Hogans ego matches up to his sucess and popularity.did he do dastardly deeds?yes of course but in all honesty he WAS wrestling for 14 years lads...... no wrestler hit the mainstream like Hogan did.he had his own Sat morning cartoon...... Sgt Slaughter is in GI Joe. I fail to see your point. At one point in time, Slaughter was just as big in the WWF as Hogan. strange that you chose to focus on the cartoon but maybe this will clear up your failure to see my point. 1)was it his own cartoon?Nope. 2)did Sgt Slaughter cross into the mainstream like Hogan?Nope 3)did The Sarge have the sucess in WWF Hogan had?nope at one point he was just as popular but we can all honestly say it was short lived. |
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Post by specterkev on Jul 8, 2012 17:30:57 GMT -5
I think its fair to say Hogans ego matches up to his sucess and popularity.did he do dastardly deeds?yes of course but in all honesty he WAS wrestling for 14 years lads...... no wrestler hit the mainstream like Hogan did.he had his own Sat morning cartoon...... Sgt Slaughter is in GI Joe. I fail to see your point. At one point in time, Slaughter was just as big in the WWF as Hogan. I fail to see Sgt slaughter's GI JOES. The show was not about slaughter.. yes he was popular.. but still not hogan popular. Hulk had HIS OWN Show. Hulk Hogan's Rock n' Wrestling.. the show was about him and the others but hulk was the star.. unlike slaughter with G I Joe. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 8, 2012 17:52:33 GMT -5
I was a kid in the midst of the Hogan Boom and I could NOT stand him at all. Friends were mind blown how someone my age could watch wrestling and not like Hogan, but it's true. I hated how someone like Savage could hit him with five elbow drops off the top and Hogan jumped up immediately.
I hated watching PPV's with him in the Main Event cause it was ALWAYS the same recipe. Take a Finisher or two, jump up, & shake head no while waving the finger. Proceed to hit Big Boot, Leg Drop, bob head to the three count, and celebrate for twenty minutes.
I'll admit his name transcends wrestling. But Hogan never made his opponents look better. That is why his run was dieing off towards the mid 90's cause nobody was left. He diminished them all.
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Post by K5 on Jul 8, 2012 18:21:05 GMT -5
That is why his run was dieing off towards the mid 90's cause nobody was left. He diminished them all. exactly. i find it funny how people act like we have something to owe to hogan, do you really think that wrestling wouldn't have found itself into the mainstream? obviously, just as any other form of entertainment, it would have. yes, hogan was a tremendous talent and was perfect for the job, but i don't owe him anything as a wrestling fan. my grandfather watched wrestling before hogan and i would've done the same. my point being, PRO WRESTLING EXISTED and was even POPULAR before hulk hogan. obviously none of that mtv shit, but anything that draws money would've found itself in that scenario with the exception of porn (maybe). hulk hogan damaged wrestling just as much as helping it. same goes with vince mcmahon. |
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Post by Callum1993 on Jul 8, 2012 19:35:07 GMT -5
Although I'm not a huge Hogan fan you can't deny that the guy is largely the biggest wrestling star of all time. He wasn't great in the ring but what he did was HUGELY popular with fans in the 80's. People say he didn't put many guys over but there were some exceptions to this. He put over Brock Lesnar in 2002, Billy Kidman in 2000 as well as the Rock at WM X8
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Post by K5 on Jul 8, 2012 21:24:20 GMT -5
Although I'm not a huge Hogan fan you can't deny that the guy is largely the biggest wrestling star of all time. He wasn't great in the ring but what he did was HUGELY popular with fans in the 80's. People say he didn't put many guys over but there were some exceptions to this. He put over Brock Lesnar in 2002, Billy Kidman in 2000 as well as the Rock at WM X8 i don't disagree with any of your points, however putting all those guys over was long past due, and with kidman it was faaaar too late (not necessarily losing to kidman specifically, but putting over younger talent other than goldberg in wcw). i mean, if he'd beat the rock at wrestlemania, it just would've been ridiculous and remembered for that instead of the quality showing we got. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 8, 2012 23:26:24 GMT -5
He should be credited as one of the all time greats, he's the only person in the business who is bigger than the WWE and wrestling in general. Uh...no. Hogan has never been able to break away from the wrestling business, which is why he's still trying to milk it as he's approaching 60. There are only two guys (at least in America), The Rock and Jesse Ventura, who have actually increased in notoriety after they broke from the wrestling biz. Hogan may have been a bigger draw than Rock, but Rock is a far bigger mainstream star. And regardless of what you think of Ventura's politics and conspiracy rhetoric, he was a governor. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 8, 2012 23:33:32 GMT -5
I can't stand Hogan, at all. With the right marketing, anyone could have been Hulk Hogan.  IMO, Hulk Hogan is personally responsible for both "booms" of the Wrestling industry. The Hulkamania/Wrestlemania argument is always the first topic but a lot of people dont think about what he did in WCW. Everyone looks at the Monday Night Wars era and says Austin, Austin Austin....but guess what, HOGAN turning heel (giving Hall & Nash legitimacy) and leading the nWo....thus letting WCW defeat WWF in the ratings, is what made WWF step up their game and create the Attitude Era. Hulk Hogan is by far the biggest "face" in professional wrestling history. |
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 8, 2012 23:53:51 GMT -5
Whether we like it or not, Hogan is the biggest icon in wrestling of all time.
I was talking to someone the other day and the topic of wrestling came up. They only knew who Hulk Hogan and The Rock were.
Sure, names like Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels are huge in the wrestling world, but Hogan just breaks through that.
I never hated on Hogan. Hulkamania was enjoyable and he was a total badass with the NWO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 5:18:02 GMT -5
Interesting points so far in this thread.
Also, I think the whole 'biggest face in wrestling' thing has run it's course. Most young people probably aren't aware of what he's done for wrestling. Hell, even TNA chose Sting as their first inductee into their HOF....
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Post by nibs92 on Jul 9, 2012 5:38:51 GMT -5
I can't stand Hogan, at all. With the right marketing, anyone could have been Hulk Hogan. Have to disagree with this point. If you look at Lex Lugers run in the WWF, He was pushed to the moon but the fans just couldn't get behind him the way they did with Hogan. And to stay on topic i've never been a fan of Hogan, never will be, however can't deny his influence on the business. |
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 9, 2012 14:05:38 GMT -5
Interesting points so far in this thread. Also, I think the whole 'biggest face in wrestling' thing has run it's course. Most young people probably aren't aware of what he's done for wrestling. Hell, even TNA chose Sting as their first inductee into their HOF.... But, he still is the biggest face/name in wrestling ever. |
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Post by specterkev on Jul 9, 2012 15:35:35 GMT -5
Hell Hulk going heel is what got me back into wrestling full time.... as i was a very light casual fan in the early 90's.
I was a big fan in the 80's as a kid.. very casual as an early preteen,.. then nWo hit BAM Grew into a hardcore fan and have been there since.. so I credit hogan for making me such a fan.
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Post by purpleisaaw on Jul 10, 2012 3:03:39 GMT -5
All this love for Hogan and all the hate for Cena has never made sense
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 10, 2012 3:25:28 GMT -5
All this love for Hogan and all the hate for Cena has never made sense Hogan was never "shoved" down our throats. For those of us old enough to remember it, we (the majority) of us chose to love Hogan. Kids and most adults embraced the "Training, Saying your Prayers and Taking your Vitamins".....From 1984-1993 I dare you to find 1...just 1 video where Hogan was booed out of the building. That's what completely separates Hogan from Cena. While Cena is highly loved by the kids and is seen as "this Generations Hogan"...he's still miles from what Hogan did/was. He's shoved down our throats constantly. We're basically "forced" to watch him, cheer for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 12:01:56 GMT -5
the Cena Hogan argument has never made sense to me......they are a completely different generation of wrestlers for a different generation of fans.
heres one point-when Hogan punched someone you believed it......not like ol whirlygig Cena and his pillow punches with the bottom of his palms.why this basic skill was allowed to slip by Vince Ill never know.Hogan was way more convincing in the ring all round.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 14:27:47 GMT -5
All this love for Hogan and all the hate for Cena has never made sense Hogan was never "shoved" down our throats. For those of us old enough to remember it, we (the majority) of us chose to love Hogan. Kids and most adults embraced the "Training, Saying your Prayers and Taking your Vitamins".....From 1984-1993 I dare you to find 1...just 1 video where Hogan was booed out of the building. That's what completely separates Hogan from Cena. While Cena is highly loved by the kids and is seen as "this Generations Hogan"...he's still miles from what Hogan did/was. He's shoved down our throats constantly. We're basically "forced" to watch him, cheer for him. If you were ten years old now during Cena's run...you wouldnt honestly cheer for him? I guarantee if there was a WFIGS during the 80's there would be threads filled with people bitching about how Hogan sucks and how he won't put anyone over and how Mike Sharpe should get a push. Youtube commentators would be posting comments on any wrestling video saying how Hogan sucks and is nothing like the days of Bruno Sammartino. From 1984-1993 people just watched the product for what it was and enjoyed it, there was no internet to heavily sway people's opinions, Things were much simpler, no one was worried about in ring work, they cheered for faces and booed heels. Hogan stood for America as a result the people followed, as a result we allowed Hogan to be shoved down our throats Now fast forward to 1994-95 the internet is more prevalent and WCW uses the same formula for Hogan that the WWF, what happens? He starts getting booed in his matchs against Flair and Vader. Look at the places Cena got booed out of the building, Chicago, NYC, cities that are heavy with smart marks, against opponents that will obviously cheer for his opposition. Yet go watch Raw from Cropus Christie and Cena got one of the loudest pops of the nights. |
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