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Post by poindizzle on Aug 2, 2012 8:41:15 GMT -5
B17 Alex Riley has an awesome attire, very detailed, and there's a good headscan hidden in there somewhere, but they have botched his hair twice, making his head look Alien in form and they gave him those old man wrinkles.
The first Elite Edge was painted terribly. I've been meaning to get a spare and headswap it with the TLC Edge. We all know it's a good scan hiding under a bad paintjob. All those early Edge figures with that scan were.
Lastly, excluding Skip Sheffield and Michael Tarver, all the Nexus figures looked pretty poor. Heath and his play-dough hair, Wade and his giraffe neck and bewildered facial expression, Otunga has beautifully detailed attire, but a poor scan, Gabriel is not atrocious but rather boring, and Darren Young took the cake as the dullest one. I know everybody was clamoring to have Nexus in their collection, so of course I was too, and they were initially rare, but now I can find them all at various stores in the area except for Heath. They just sit in a box right now.
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Post by Bandalero on Aug 2, 2012 8:49:00 GMT -5
every single series of Basics.
It means less money put into the Elite budget and basic series since to get released every other damn week...
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 2, 2012 8:54:17 GMT -5
Off the top of my head:
Any Jack Swagger
Eve - One of the few Divas I actually wanted. Glad we are getting another try.
Mr. Perfect - I did a Basic fixup with a Finlay for better scale.
RRH HBK - Great attire, but too tall, too much ginger hair.
E8 Edge - Super excited for this, but the scan is atrocious and the paint apps were a disaster on mine. And the tattoos...
E13 Cody - hated the jacket, the thighs were huge, and I think it should have been a new scan.
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Post by The Madness on Aug 2, 2012 9:16:51 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter.
There are very few ways to mess this figure up. Slaughter had at least a handful of very iconic looks. Mattel went out of their way to make the most obscure one that not many people knew about.
I can understand Snuka, as it was a fairly high profile attire that had never been done, but to release Sgt. Slaughter in an early '80s attire that requires a little research to find is mind-boggling.
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Post by qdogg on Aug 2, 2012 9:35:37 GMT -5
From the Legends line, probably Slaughter, Bulldog. Would of liked better outfits.
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Post by alexgg on Aug 2, 2012 9:40:01 GMT -5
I just wish the divas were in scale with each other, Layla looks pretty out of place with Mccool.
On her own though it is my favourite Diva figure.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Aug 2, 2012 10:54:33 GMT -5
A lot of the recent ortons have. E2 was great but theyve been getting worse, the scans or paintjobs have been off and some accessories have been poor choices. Rileys figures were terrible too until the most recent basic. Im always disappointed with R truth basics as well, the body type just looks really really wrong and off. Its not a quality issue because they would most likely have intended it to go into production like that. They could cast the lower half of the leg in a black plastic so they wouldnt have to paint it which would be another process and add another cost. It would be more cost efficient to cast in black than painting either this part or the knee area on the other part of the leg. Sure the look of it suffers a bit but its probably what they needed to do to keep it within budget. Theres already quite an expense in the figure. No...it's just sloppy and lazy. Mattel does great work usually and I love a majority of their efforts on this line, but they shouldn't just get a pass on this one. Nobody should have to try to talk in their budget-ese to justify it either. Collectors look the other way on a lot of this stuff, we bitch here but end up doing the fix ourselves if it bothers us enough, but when you are already paying what we do for some of these it seems silly to have to correct that kind of thing. How is it sloppy and lazy? I gave you a perfectly justified reason. Do I like the fact it has the black showing? No of course not and I doubt they just 'forgot' in which then you would be justified saying there were lazy. Fact is, this is a $10 price point figure in which a budget must be distributed across the whole set. Theres already added costs in the added shoulder pads, new sculpting, deco and then looking at others. Its like Big Shows camo. Camo is something very expensive to replicate on a basic hence why it is much more simplified than his elite. Swagger has lines down his attire and so forth. There is plenty of cost in the set and its clear what they have tried to do which is do it as efficiently as possible and in a way that is as close to her look as possible. There reasoning probably would be that the knee joint at the back gets hidden when bent anyway and otherwise its pretty accurate. I dont mean to speak for mattel but I think calling them lazy, sloppy amongst other things isnt right. |
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Post by homeslice1998 on Aug 2, 2012 11:04:54 GMT -5
BP Rock and Cena, should of never ever ever ever EVER gotten that pack
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Post by poindizzle on Aug 2, 2012 11:11:03 GMT -5
No...it's just sloppy and lazy. Mattel does great work usually and I love a majority of their efforts on this line, but they shouldn't just get a pass on this one. Nobody should have to try to talk in their budget-ese to justify it either. Collectors look the other way on a lot of this stuff, we bitch here but end up doing the fix ourselves if it bothers us enough, but when you are already paying what we do for some of these it seems silly to have to correct that kind of thing. How is it sloppy and lazy? I gave you a perfectly justified reason. Do I like the fact it has the black showing? No of course not and I doubt they just 'forgot' in which then you would be justified saying there were lazy. Fact is, this is a $10 price point figure in which a budget must be distributed across the whole set. Theres already added costs in the added shoulder pads, new sculpting, deco and then looking at others. Its like Big Shows camo. Camo is something very expensive to replicate on a basic hence why it is much more simplified than his elite. Swagger has lines down his attire and so forth. There is plenty of cost in the set and its clear what they have tried to do which is do it as efficiently as possible and in a way that is as close to her look as possible. There reasoning probably would be that the knee joint at the back gets hidden when bent anyway and otherwise its pretty accurate. I dont mean to speak for mattel but I think calling them lazy, sloppy amongst other things isnt right. Right on, using the excuse "how much we pay for these things" in reference to how everything should be 100% correct is pretty weak. How much do we pay for these things? 10-13 dollars at most stores. You ask me, that's a bargain. Who gives a flying fack at a donut hole about all these little nit-picking things when action figures used to cost 5-7 dollars but were 100 times less detailed, poseable, etc. Don't speak budget-ese? That's the exact excuse for why they are the quality that they are. That's like saying "Don't you dare tell me that babies come from sex, I won't except it!" And the only thing I can say about the 15 billionth post saying that the basics hurt the elites: You got to spend money to make money. And the budgets are completely separate. If we take money from the basic line and fuel it into the Elite line, we're not going to see massive returns from it and the price will unequivocally rise. So in summary: You hate the 17-20 dollar price tag. Kill the basics re-purpose the money and watch those 25-30 price tags and watch the line disappear. |
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Aug 2, 2012 11:22:24 GMT -5
Exactly, very well said. There are a lot of people under the misconception here that additional lines like flexforce, basics, etc. take money away from the budgets of other lines which is far from correct. For example, say it costs $20,000 to produce an elite set of 10,000 units (these are made up figures) then using the $10,000 budget from a basic set means the elite set needs to sell another 5,000 or more units. If you are investing more money into the line, you need to move a number of units that are proportionate to what you are putting in or you lose out on money. Pooling all the budget into one line from another means greater pressure on moving more units or doing what nobody likes which is raising prices which just doesnt make sense.
In fact, having multiple lines probably spreads the risk of failure. Many say flexforce should be scrapped because they dont like it but for all we know, the profits from it may have been a contributing factor to legends lasting as long as they did.
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Post by tampatoys813 on Aug 2, 2012 12:47:12 GMT -5
Those legs suck
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Post by EMW Figure Shelf on Aug 2, 2012 13:55:51 GMT -5
Any Jack Swagger
First basic Natalya
Legends Snuka
any elite undertaker (Don't know why they didn't just put the WM 16 head on the elites)
Basic batistas.
Elite Goldust
A Ry
first basic Zeke
King Booker
Elite 16 Nash
(even though it isn't a figure) The ESR
I can name more but those are off the top of my head.
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Post by Bandalero on Aug 2, 2012 14:20:16 GMT -5
bros and dudes, don't get your panties in a bind. I understand the economics and why other lines exist to support specific lines.
the fact still remains that Basics and Flex Force suck balls, and that's my personal opinion. So by all means keep buying the crap out of Basics and Flex Force, I don't care what you do it's your money not mine.
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Post by beauforsure on Aug 2, 2012 14:22:52 GMT -5
Id say that DDP scan is almost horrific .. Also the E5 Swagger is horrific. Ive passed on his peg warming a$$ for 2 months now.
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Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Aug 2, 2012 15:13:14 GMT -5
Jinder F****** Mahal!
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Post by jfinnomore on Aug 2, 2012 15:22:07 GMT -5
Jinder is the worse figure ever, so plain, the headscan is awful, the body looks plain, it looks like it cost next to nothing to make yet people are buying it up like crazy. Im not. It sucks. Regarding Divas, never bought any but was thinking of getting Natalya, Pheonix and Elite Kelly. you obviously haven't checked out Jinder's boots, the amount of detail on them is impressive. Layla was the most disappointing for me. she looks like a drag queen or a blow up doll. |
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Post by Kidd For President on Aug 2, 2012 15:25:24 GMT -5
Legends LOD and Sgt. Slaughter. I know, they want attires JAKKS didnt make, but really? No one wants AWA versions. A red LOD and camo Slaughter would have sold way better in my view.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Aug 3, 2012 10:49:25 GMT -5
bros and dudes, don't get your panties in a bind. I understand the economics and why other lines exist to support specific lines. the fact still remains that Basics and Flex Force suck balls, and that's my personal opinion. So by all means keep buying the crap out of Basics and Flex Force, I don't care what you do it's your money not mine. Exactly. Nobody is telling you to buy basics, everyone loves their own lines and dislikes others, its only natural but we were just indicating that you mentioned basics should be eliminated to reinvest its budgets and it doesnt work that way. I much prefer Elites anyway. |
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 3, 2012 21:26:09 GMT -5
Eve Horrible scan
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Post by dontquestionmyhart on Aug 3, 2012 21:37:26 GMT -5
Layla was pretty bad, so I'm gonna have to go with her.
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