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Post by Adam on Sept 12, 2012 18:42:27 GMT -5
Tell me exactly what you can't do? List them for me. Tell me all the things you wish you could have gotten out of bed and done today that the United States Government personally infringed upon and prevented you from doing? Name me all the things in the past that you wanted to do, but the Government stopped you, and all the things you plan to do but won't be able to because they'll try and stop you. What do I wish I could have done? Maybe being left alone. Or is that just too high maintenance? Or does that make me a conspiracy nut? Look I understand that some of you don't mind being spied on and that's fine, but I do. I suppose if a SWAT team randomly broke down my door and raided my house why should I complain? I have nothing to hide right? If I have nothing to hide, or if I'm not a criminal, then leave me alone.
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Post by K5 on Sept 12, 2012 18:45:13 GMT -5
I just want to ask the question to all the conspiracy guys....because it seems like anytime something like this gets reported on, you conspiracy guys go off on a rampage about how the United States Government is "infringing upon our personal freedoms"....what exactly does that mean? "Infringing upon my personal freedoms" is such a vague and broad description for something I personally believe that none of you know what you're talking about and I think you guys use that as an excuse to complain about something. Tell me exactly what you can't do? List them for me. Tell me all the things you wish you could have gotten out of bed and done today that the United States Government personally infringed upon and prevented you from doing? Name me all the things in the past that you wanted to do, but the Government stopped you, and all the things you plan to do but won't be able to because they'll try and stop you. easy. i love dope. i love being able to have conversations where only the person i'm talking to could hear. i love not being able to be easily manipulated by marketing ploys as they can't apply to me since they don't know enough information of my/similar people's behavior. i love knowing my parents are safe from people trying to observe them for their own gain. i already feel constricted enough by today's laws and standards. i was arrested in january of this year for a crime i didn't commit and have since been proven innocent. for all i'd know if this was in effect that they could actually monitor me 24/7, who knows what i could tell people? i could get drunk with my friends and joke about the night, and suddenly they have some recording of me? people could just choose to watch the last words i have with my father when he passes? i can't believe you give up your freedoms so easily. i mean, they've already taught you to completely be okay with sending drug addicts...which most professionals outside the criminal act would quickly tell you is an illness...are imprisoned for life and essentially used as slaves. but, they're no good drug addicts, they knew the consequences, damn them to the fiery pits. it's sickening. but nope, watcha y'all talkin about, they just wanna watch us to prevent osama bin laden from popping up. that's the only reason, terrorists. not overall population surveillance and control. no waaaay. there's literally a book about this, has no one read 1984? it is no stretch of the imagination here now.
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Post by Unleashed in the East on Sept 12, 2012 18:48:33 GMT -5
It's not like the government hasn't used false-flag attacks in the past in an effort to achieve an agenda. Just look at Operation Northwoods. Operation Northwoods was never put into action though. But I see where you're coming from. The US in the next 20 years will turn communist, but Americans will still think they are free. Unless, we have some SMART people to revolt. Not tea-baggers , who are scared to say what's really on their minds. And Not the Occupying Wall Street protesters, that whole thing was filled with mindless retards getting in the way of people that did nothing. The Government should be afraid of the people not the other way around.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 12, 2012 19:00:17 GMT -5
I just want to ask the question to all the conspiracy guys....because it seems like anytime something like this gets reported on, you conspiracy guys go off on a rampage about how the United States Government is "infringing upon our personal freedoms"....what exactly does that mean? "Infringing upon my personal freedoms" is such a vague and broad description for something I personally believe that none of you know what you're talking about and I think you guys use that as an excuse to complain about something. Tell me exactly what you can't do? List them for me. Tell me all the things you wish you could have gotten out of bed and done today that the United States Government personally infringed upon and prevented you from doing? Name me all the things in the past that you wanted to do, but the Government stopped you, and all the things you plan to do but won't be able to because they'll try and stop you. easy. i love dope. i love being able to have conversations where only the person i'm talking to could hear. i love not being able to be easily manipulated by marketing ploys as they can't apply to me since they don't know enough information of my/similar people's behavior. i love knowing my parents are safe from people trying to observe them for their own gain. i already feel constricted enough by today's laws and standards. i was arrested in january of this year for a crime i didn't commit and have since been proven innocent. for all i'd know if this was in effect that they could actually monitor me 24/7, who knows what i could tell people? i could get drunk with my friends and joke about the night, and suddenly they have some recording of me? people could just choose to watch the last words i have with my father when he passes? i can't believe you give up your freedoms so easily. i mean, they've already taught you to completely be okay with sending drug addicts...which most professionals outside the criminal act would quickly tell you is an illness...are imprisoned for life and essentially used as slaves. but, they're no good drug addicts, they knew the consequences, damn them to the fiery pits. it's sickening. but nope, watcha y'all talkin about, they just wanna watch us to prevent osama bin laden from popping up. that's the only reason, terrorists. not overall population surveillance and control. no waaaay. there's literally a book about this, has no one read 1984? it is no stretch of the imagination here now. Tell me exactly what you can't do? List them for me. Tell me all the things you wish you could have gotten out of bed and done today that the United States Government personally infringed upon and prevented you from doing? Name me all the things in the past that you wanted to do, but the Government stopped you, and all the things you plan to do but won't be able to because they'll try and stop you. What do I wish I could have done? Maybe being left alone. Or is that just too high maintenance? Or does that make me a conspiracy nut? Look I understand that some of you don't mind being spied on and that's fine, but I do. I suppose if a SWAT team randomly broke down my door and raided my house why should I complain? I have nothing to hide right? If I have nothing to hide, or if I'm not a criminal, then leave me alone. That's the problem with you guys though.....you're all so freakin' paranoid. You read one article on the internet full of rumors and speculation and you all of a sudden snap to the conclusion that not only is the Government listening to everything EVERYONE is saying but YOU are their main target. Trust me, don't flatter yourself. The way you guys write on this message board about how you think the US Government was behind 9/11 and you guys talk about how the Government is "this close" to putting us all in slime filled tubes and putting us in virtual reality where they control all our actions....if they were REALLY monitoring everything you're doing you'd all be locked away in some mental institution. All of the stuff you guys are worrying about and that you think is ruining your life does not apply to you and unless you start committing serious crimes, as long as you live you will probably NEVER be individually monitored by any form of Government. So no, the government isn't ruining your lives or taking away your freedoms...your own paranoia and pessimistic views are doing that for you.
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Post by irreversible on Sept 12, 2012 20:31:38 GMT -5
Oh Jesus give it a rest. I love how this place never changes...ever. You'll all be the first to cry to 911 if your tricycle gets stolen. Oh yeah, especially in 3 days But of course it's just our privacy what's the big deal?? If people knew how to take care of themselves and act appropriately in situations, none of this would be neccessary. The majority of Americans are children who need to be told what to do. Who need people to step in and prevent them from ing each other up. The fact that no one in this thread can even comprehend what they're doing proves how ing stupid this country is. Start acting like adults and you'll have your privacy. Don't do anything illegal and they won't have reason to pry in your business. And to those kids complaining that the story is about the government watching you pee, unless you have security cameras in you're bathroom, I don't see how that's an issue. 10 years btw.
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Post by cocacolabottle on Sept 12, 2012 21:13:10 GMT -5
All the more reason to believe that 9/11 was an inside job formulated by certain members of the US government (and their wealthy co-conspirators) in an effort to fear-monger the American people into accepting this ridiculous bullcrap. I fear my government far more than I fear any terrorists. I highly doubt I am alone on that opinion.
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Post by cocacolabottle on Sept 12, 2012 21:20:16 GMT -5
Oh yeah, especially in 3 days But of course it's just our privacy what's the big deal?? If people knew how to take care of themselves and act appropriately in situations, none of this would be neccessary. The majority of Americans are children who need to be told what to do. Who need people to step in and prevent them from ing each other up. The fact that no one in this thread can even comprehend what they're doing proves how ing stupid this country is. Start acting like adults and you'll have your privacy. Don't do anything illegal and they won't have reason to pry in your business. And to those kids complaining that the story is about the government watching you pee, unless you have security cameras in you're bathroom, I don't see how that's an issue. 10 years btw. We don't know how to act appropriately? It's NECESSARY to have someone watch over us like children? You think government is our mother and that she is the appropriate person to watch over us in order to 'protect' us from OURSELVES? WFs Admin I demand a facepalm smiley.
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Post by Adam on Sept 12, 2012 21:35:44 GMT -5
That's the problem with you guys though.....you're all so freakin' paranoid. You read one article on the internet full of rumors and speculation and you all of a sudden snap to the conclusion that not only is the Government listening to everything EVERYONE is saying but YOU are their main target. The Patriot Act isn't one article, the NDAA isn't one article. These are actual laws on the books. Paranoid is a little bit of a stretch for me personally, offended might fit better. Trust me, don't flatter yourself. The way you guys write on this message board about how you think the US Government was behind 9/11 and you guys talk about how the Government is "this close" to putting us all in slime filled tubes and putting us in virtual reality where they control all our actions....if they were REALLY monitoring everything you're doing you'd all be locked away in some mental institution. Exaggerate much? I don't think the government was behind 9/11, and I also don't feel that it's a justification to spy on us. You don't have to lock someone in a mental institution to actually monitor someone. Thanks for trying to put thoughts in my head though. If people knew how to take care of themselves and act appropriately in situations, none of this would be neccessary. The majority of Americans are children who need to be told what to do. Who need people to step in and prevent them from ing each other up. So because certain people can't be responsible, those of us who can be responsible should be lumped in with them? I don't need to be taken care of, and if I do happen to do something stupid then that's my fault and my fault only. The fact that no one in this thread can even comprehend what they're doing proves how ing stupid this country is. Start acting like adults and you'll have your privacy. Don't do anything illegal and they won't have reason to pry in your business. I am an adult, and haven't done anything illegal. So where's their reason for prying into my business?
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Post by cocacolabottle on Sept 12, 2012 21:38:49 GMT -5
Every subject has a right to be secure from all unreasonable searches, and seizures of his person, his houses, his papers, and all his possessions. All warrants, therefore, are contrary to this right, if the cause or foundation of them be not previously supported by oath or affirmation; and if the order in the warrant to a civil officer, to make search in suspected places, or to arrest one or more suspected persons, or to seize their property, be not accompanied with a special designation of the persons or objects of search, arrest, or seizure: and no warrant ought to be issued but in cases, and with the formalities, prescribed by the laws.
Straight from the fourth amendment.
What the FBI is doing is unconstitutional.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Sept 12, 2012 21:42:54 GMT -5
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 12, 2012 21:50:26 GMT -5
That's the problem with you guys though.....you're all so freakin' paranoid. You read one article on the internet full of rumors and speculation and you all of a sudden snap to the conclusion that not only is the Government listening to everything EVERYONE is saying but YOU are their main target. The Patriot Act isn't one article, the NDAA isn't one article. These are actual laws on the books. Paranoid is a little bit of a stretch for me personally, offended might fit better. Exaggerate much? I don't think the government was behind 9/11, and I also don't feel that it's a justification to spy on us. You don't have to lock someone in a mental institution to actually monitor someone. Thanks for trying to put thoughts in my head though. So because certain people can't be responsible, those of us who can be responsible should be lumped in with them? I don't need to be taken care of, and if I do happen to do something stupid then that's my fault and my fault only. The fact that no one in this thread can even comprehend what they're doing proves how ing stupid this country is. Start acting like adults and you'll have your privacy. Don't do anything illegal and they won't have reason to pry in your business. I am an adult, and haven't done anything illegal. So where's their reason for prying into my business? Again, you're ASSUMING. Just because the Government has passed laws and acts which ALLOW them to do something....what makes you think it's actually being done, let alone done to YOU personally. Just because the government CAN spy on people, it doesn't mean they are doing it to you. Again, I'm not sure why when all you guys read this crap you immediately assume that YOU are being targeted. Again, you're either paranoid or subconsciously guilty about something.
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Post by cocacolabottle on Sept 12, 2012 21:56:33 GMT -5
The Patriot Act isn't one article, the NDAA isn't one article. These are actual laws on the books. Paranoid is a little bit of a stretch for me personally, offended might fit better. Exaggerate much? I don't think the government was behind 9/11, and I also don't feel that it's a justification to spy on us. You don't have to lock someone in a mental institution to actually monitor someone. Thanks for trying to put thoughts in my head though. So because certain people can't be responsible, those of us who can be responsible should be lumped in with them? I don't need to be taken care of, and if I do happen to do something stupid then that's my fault and my fault only. I am an adult, and haven't done anything illegal. So where's their reason for prying into my business? Again, you're ASSUMING. Just because the Government has passed laws and acts which ALLOW them to do something....what makes you think it's actually being done, let alone done to YOU personally. Just because the government CAN spy on people, it doesn't mean they are doing it to you. Again, I'm not sure why when all you guys read this crap you immediately assume that YOU are being targeted. Again, you're either paranoid or subconsciously guilty about something. Why should our government have the 'right' to do it to anyone without reasonable cause? The fact is they don't and they never should. Just because they aren't using something against you personally right now doesn't make it right. The laws should never be on the books in the first place. Think of WW2 with Nazi Germany. Other religious and ethnic groups remained quiet while others had their rights violated and were persecuted and killed. They figured 'Oh well I have nothing to hide. They would never do that to me.'. Religious groups and ethnic groups were plucked off one by one until there wasn't anyone left to speak up for them. It is the duty of every citizen to guard against such tyranny in the first place.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 12, 2012 22:06:44 GMT -5
Again, you're ASSUMING. Just because the Government has passed laws and acts which ALLOW them to do something....what makes you think it's actually being done, let alone done to YOU personally. Just because the government CAN spy on people, it doesn't mean they are doing it to you. Again, I'm not sure why when all you guys read this crap you immediately assume that YOU are being targeted. Again, you're either paranoid or subconsciously guilty about something. Why should our government have the 'right' to do it to anyone without reasonable cause? The fact is they don't and they never should. Just because they aren't using something against you personally right now doesn't make it right. The laws should never be on the books in the first place. Think of WW2 with Nazi Germany. Other religious and ethnic groups remained quiet while others had their rights violated and were persecuted and killed. They figured 'Oh well I have nothing to hide. They would never do that to me.'. Religious groups and ethnic groups were plucked off one by one until there wasn't anyone left to speak up for them. It is the duty of every citizen to guard against such tyranny in the first place. Once again....your life will not be affected by this. I don't think the Government is spying on EVERYONE...I think there is procedure that is followed and only people who are suspected of something are monitored. And really....who cares? I say better safe than sorry. If the government spies on somebody and discovers something that stops a terrorist attack, I think it's worth it if a few people who they look into turn up to be clean. Once again, this only bothers people who are paranoid or guilty of something. I really could care less if the Government knows that I go to Toys R Us every Wednesday or that based on the web sites I go to that I like big butts and I cannot lie, lol.
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Post by cocacolabottle on Sept 12, 2012 22:23:45 GMT -5
Why should our government have the 'right' to do it to anyone without reasonable cause? The fact is they don't and they never should. Just because they aren't using something against you personally right now doesn't make it right. The laws should never be on the books in the first place. Think of WW2 with Nazi Germany. Other religious and ethnic groups remained quiet while others had their rights violated and were persecuted and killed. They figured 'Oh well I have nothing to hide. They would never do that to me.'. Religious groups and ethnic groups were plucked off one by one until there wasn't anyone left to speak up for them. It is the duty of every citizen to guard against such tyranny in the first place. Once again....your life will not be affected by this. I don't think the Government is spying on EVERYONE...I think there is procedure that is followed and only people who are suspected of something are monitored. And really....who cares? I say better safe than sorry. If the government spies on somebody and discovers something that stops a terrorist attack, I think it's worth it if a few people who they look into turn up to be clean. Once again, this only bothers people who are paranoid or guilty of something. I really could care less if the Government knows that I go to Toys R Us every Wednesday or that based on the web sites I go to that I like big butts and I cannot lie, lol. I can see we will never agree on this. It is beyond me how so many are willing to give up their freedoms without so much as a word.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 12, 2012 22:27:51 GMT -5
Once again....your life will not be affected by this. I don't think the Government is spying on EVERYONE...I think there is procedure that is followed and only people who are suspected of something are monitored. And really....who cares? I say better safe than sorry. If the government spies on somebody and discovers something that stops a terrorist attack, I think it's worth it if a few people who they look into turn up to be clean. Once again, this only bothers people who are paranoid or guilty of something. I really could care less if the Government knows that I go to Toys R Us every Wednesday or that based on the web sites I go to that I like big butts and I cannot lie, lol. I can see we will never agree on this. It is beyond me how so many are willing to give up their freedoms without so much as a word. I don't feel like I'm giving up any freedoms. I'm going to wake up tomorrow, take a huge crap, take a shower, go to work, come home, take another huge crap, eat dinner, take another huge crap, and go to bed.....the Government isn't going to prevent me from doing anything I want to do tomorrow, not have they ever. People using the Government as the reason why their life sucks are just looking for an excuse, paranoid, or just want to complain about something.
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Post by cocacolabottle on Sept 12, 2012 22:42:08 GMT -5
I can see we will never agree on this. It is beyond me how so many are willing to give up their freedoms without so much as a word. I don't feel like I'm giving up any freedoms. I'm going to wake up tomorrow, take a huge crap, take a shower, go to work, come home, take another huge crap, eat dinner, take another huge crap, and go to bed.....the Government isn't going to prevent me from doing anything I want to do tomorrow, not have they ever. People using the Government as the reason why their life sucks are just looking for an excuse, paranoid, or just want to complain about something. I never said my life sucks. I have it better than the majority of the world. I count my blessings. I would also like to maintain those blessing in perpetuity. ^ As I was typing that it made me think of the preamble of the Constitution. "We the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessing of liberty, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." I don't need an excuse to complain but heaven knows my government has given me ample just cause. You can't tell me that you don't have at least one complaint regarding our government. Everyone does. Be it our sticking our noses into foreign affairs, giving billions of dollars we don't have to countries that hate us or just frustration with some thing they have done in general, everyone has something they don't like.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 12, 2012 22:59:33 GMT -5
I don't feel like I'm giving up any freedoms. I'm going to wake up tomorrow, take a huge crap, take a shower, go to work, come home, take another huge crap, eat dinner, take another huge crap, and go to bed.....the Government isn't going to prevent me from doing anything I want to do tomorrow, not have they ever. People using the Government as the reason why their life sucks are just looking for an excuse, paranoid, or just want to complain about something. I never said my life sucks. I have it better than the majority of the world. I count my blessings. I would also like to maintain those blessing in perpetuity. ^ As I was typing that it made me think of the preamble of the Constitution. "We the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessing of liberty, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." I don't need an excuse to complain but heaven knows my government has given me ample just cause. You can't tell me that you don't have at least one complaint regarding our government. Everyone does. Be it our sticking our noses into foreign affairs, giving billions of dollars we don't have to countries that hate us or just frustration with some thing they have done in general, everyone has something they don't like. The only complaint I have against the Government is they are too accommodating toward those in banking and big business who break the law because those people benefit the Government. Look at the whole deal with the economy when sh*t hit the fan in 2008 with all those crooked CEO's and guys on Wallstreet who literally cost people BILLIONS, drained people's savings, cost them their pensions, and ruined people's lives. The Government called some of these people up to Capitol Hill for an investigation and it was over in ONE day. But the Government spent 5 years going after Roger Clemens to try and prove he lied when he said he didn't cheat at baseball. He didn't cheat, but if he had, who really cares? The Government has issues, no entity on this earth is perfect. The government clearly has it's priorities mixed up, and a lot of the problems stem from party politics. You can't expect a whole hell of a lot to get done when our entire political system is essentially based on the idea of "our team vs. your team". How much stuff gets shot down which would be benefit THE PEOPLE simply because one side doesn't want to allow the other side to look good. All that BS aside....I still don't feel as if the Government is coming after me. They might not give a crap about me and they may totally ignore me...but they aren't intentionally trying to HARM me either. I'm totally 100% Independent. I favor no party, and I believe party politics it's what's wrong with our country. I think a whole lot more would get done if everyone would collaborate rather than be spiteful like if the Democrats do something positive the Republicans want to try and stop it, or if the Republicans try and do something positive the Democrats want to try and stop it simply because each side NEVER wants to admit that the other side can do ANYTHING right. That's my stance on politics and the Government.
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