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Post by y2yay on Sept 30, 2012 10:58:46 GMT -5
Everytime I post about Ziggler being a jobber I loose karma <3 I can't understand why 'ziggler fans' would want him to cash in on Sheamus anyways. How many times has Sheamus beat Ziggler this last year? Got to be 35 times AT LEAST. Yes, which is why some people want him to cash in on Sheamus. Y'know, so he can get a few wins back?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 12:30:42 GMT -5
cant understand any Ziggler fans wanting him to cash in on a fallen opponent.it was the same earlier in the year with Barrett fans. this is NOT the way to establish someone as a credible heel champion.....it worked with Edge because that was the way his character worked.it hasnt worked since. I think that's more to do with the way WWE has handled them afterwards. Punk's 2008 title reign was poorly handled, the cash in didn't hurt him. Same with his 2009 cash-in. It was great for his heel turn, but he was completely mishandled after Jeff left. Swagger's was fine, but his becoming serious ruined him. Miz's cash-in worked and his title reign was good, so I think he's an exception. Same with Kane and Daniel Bryan. With Del Rio it was too little, too late. So yeah, I don't agree with the assessment it hasn't worked since Edge. I do however agree that Ziggler shouldn't cash it in like that. The whole point is that he's the Show Off. He should wait until WrestleMania and announce he's cashing in then. What bigger way to Show Off by not taking advantage of your opponent, and having a fair match at the biggest show of them all? good points actually I should clarify that I feel Punk & Bryans cash ins worked because they were part of a heel turn. I dont agree Mizs worked.Kanes either. but its as you say-its the treatment afterward.Miz IMO didnt work because he never really beat anyone in defending it and his WM moment was used as a setup for Cena vs Rock...... so yeah good point.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 30, 2012 19:01:49 GMT -5
It only worked for Edge because that was his character. The surprise Cash ins hurt guys because it does not make them look credible. Edge was the only one it worked for because he was already seen as a top guy.
Punk didn't work because he was not a credible top guy in 2008 and nobody believed he was a serious challenge to guys like Batista, Cena, Orton, and JBL. In 2009 it worked better but it cheapened his title win IMO.
Swagger's was crap because he was literally jobbing the months before he won MITB. Then having him win the title a few days later did nothing for him because he was seen as a low-level guy the past year on Raw. It was no different from a guy like Santino cashing in now.
Kane's I'm indifferent on because I didn't care one way about his title reign. But Miz's title win and run definatly sucked. He was literally a mid-carder holding a top belt. Even after winning MITB, he was still loosing cleanly to mid-carders at the time, and him struggling to defeat an already hurt Orton did him no favors. As for his title run, the majority of fans did not buy him on the level of guys like Cena and Rock. I still lol at the fact that the WWE had Miz main event a WM.
Daniel Bryan had a good run but that was due to him putting on good matches and his cash in did no favors for him as for fans seeing him as a top guy. Same with Del Rio.
Ziggler needs to make a statement and be different from the others. He is more ready for the main event than Punk (2008), Swagger, Miz, Bryan, and Del Rio where when they held the briefcases. He needs to announce when he is going to cash in because it fits his character. If he announces when he is going to cash in and then cleanly defeats someone like Sheamus or Orton, he will be solidified as a top guy.
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Post by pxkgotosleep on Sept 30, 2012 19:05:37 GMT -5
Everytime I post about Ziggler being a jobber I loose karma <3 I can't understand why 'ziggler fans' would want him to cash in on Sheamus anyways. How many times has Sheamus beat Ziggler this last year? Got to be 35 times AT LEAST. Yes, which is why some people want him to cash in on Sheamus. Y'know, so he can get a few wins back? ...But Sheamus'll squash him? Again. He won't win. That's my point. Surely you guys want him to win?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 21:29:53 GMT -5
for the people saying that Ziggler doesn't need Flair, I have to disagree. Flair makes you want to listen and watch. If you put ANYONE with Flair, they will be a big star.With Ziggler, it might just be what is needed to make him move up to the next level.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Sept 30, 2012 23:10:35 GMT -5
While I agree with Anvil, Sheamus and Tensai have had two very good matches on RAW and SmackDown! this year, I don't see them having a match on PPV just yet. If WWE wants to push a big man that can move fast, and work with younger talents, Tensai IMO is the man. I hope that WWE recognizes this.
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Post by y2yay on Oct 1, 2012 3:56:11 GMT -5
Yes, which is why some people want him to cash in on Sheamus. Y'know, so he can get a few wins back? ...But Sheamus'll squash him? Again. He won't win. That's my point. Surely you guys want him to win? Ziggler will win. I guarantee it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 1, 2012 6:34:33 GMT -5
I would rather see Vickie keep telling Ziggler to cash in when the Champ is down and when he runs out to do it, he stops and refuses every time. Then maybe there's a "Tribute to Flair" or some kind of show on Raw where Flair comes back and Flair talks to him and tells him to "Do it like a man, like all the greats did and face the champ one on one"....Then Ziggler goes on to fire Vickie and hires Flair as a manager which kind of teases a face turn for Ziggler but then during the match Flair/Ziggler cheat to help Ziggler win the title thus solidifying him as a "dirty" heel much like Flair was.
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