Von Hooten
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Post by Von Hooten on Sept 29, 2012 12:47:48 GMT -5
Hello fellow members.
I ask this question in the topic because after all that has transpired since Mattel took the WWE line over I have to wonder if better strategies could have taken place regarding the Matty Legends.
I was thinking that maybe they moved to Matty too soon. I think that if they waited til this year they could have done a lot better with this line and here is why I think this:
For starters it would have made collectors thurst for them therefore Mattel would have gain the interest in collectors buying on-line, the price increase wouldn't have been such a shock seeing as how retial prices aren't too far behind Matty prices, Mattel would have signed more names by now and more to offer (no useless voting either), and lastly, they could have applied the BAF concept to this line to get suited figures and managers.
Again I am not saying that what Matty offered this passed year wasn't good, but it wasn't enough to rally enough customers to support and on-line only endeavor.
What do you guys think?
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savagepoffo
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Post by savagepoffo on Sept 29, 2012 12:53:49 GMT -5
As much as I hate to admit it there is just not a mass demand for Legends.
I wish I knew why because they are the reason I started collecting again!
Short packing is the only success that they've had thus far minus Warrior & Savage figures........
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Post by si4life02 on Sept 29, 2012 13:16:49 GMT -5
I just wished Mattel would of put more thought into the legends line. I guess once they got the license they were on cloud nine. They pretty much released figures that the design team liked not thinking about the consequences. Mattel should of waited a year or two giving them time to sign some big names. As of right now Flashbacks is the only thing that works. I still have hopes that in a few years from now the legends line will be back and this time around Mattel will get it right and blow us all away
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figurehunting101
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Post by figurehunting101 on Sept 29, 2012 13:19:40 GMT -5
I'm still saying legends problems were line-ups, line-ups, and line-ups. If u take 6 of the flashbacks we have had so far and made a legends set out of them, sales would of been soooooo much higher!
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Sept 29, 2012 13:26:14 GMT -5
I really think it was the lineups. They didn't put the right guys up for sale.
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Post by cableV on Sept 29, 2012 13:28:17 GMT -5
While Mattel certainly made it's share of missteps with the line, WWE also shares some of the blame. Remember, they would not allow Mattel to put active roster wrestlers in the line. So guy like Undertaker, Shawn and HHH that could have been used to 'anchor' sets, couldn't be included.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Sept 29, 2012 13:48:43 GMT -5
They had the chance to start strong! Andre should have been series one! Their other mistake was attire choice. It should have gone like this: Series 1: Andre the Giant Stone Cold in wrestling attire Bret Hart (DM version) Jimmy Snuka bare foot version The Rock series 4 version Diesel
2 pack series 1: LOD red attire Macho Man vs Ultimate Warrior The Rockers with WWF tag titles
The first few sets are the way tou get cemented in the stores. Mattel should have remembered how JAKKS were treated towards their final run. So the stores were going to be skeptical with these products on their shelves. Along with winning buyers who were skeptical on switching to a new style/design/ price margine/an company!!! Their downfall was they wanted to be different. But they didnt realize their product was already far supirior to JAKKS! So keeping those attires that link to memory was key, they just chose to be different, whiched turned out to be a mistake. I feel that Mattel could bring the series back, with better superstars and attire. But at that time we had so many series. Signature, DM, EG, Basic, PPV, Basic 2pack, legends, legends 2 pack , and elite!!! Look how many failed. They flooded the market with tons of repaints to stay fresh with the stars instead shoild have waited o make a mark on the figures an then went back with repaints.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 13:51:14 GMT -5
While Mattel certainly made it's share of missteps with the line, WWE also shares some of the blame. Remember, they would not allow Mattel to put active roster wrestlers in the line. So guy like Undertaker, Shawn and HHH that could have been used to 'anchor' sets, couldn't be included. imo i could careless about the three you mentioned. they already have enogh figures also. They should have done some like honky, jyd, studd, koko, hogan, and maybe some more tag teams
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2012 14:05:01 GMT -5
I have to agree I feel if you mixed the popular stars with the not well known stars it would have worked. But I am glad that once in a while we get a flashback now. I don't like it, but it is hat it is.
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Post by Chewdeezy on Sept 29, 2012 14:14:37 GMT -5
The demand for Legends just isn't what Mattel thought it would be. They went in full force with some really weird Legends lineups off the bat and didn't try to build it with fully packed big names in the first few series.
Mattel should have just concentrated on the Legends line and not introduced Entrance Greats, Defining Moments & Kmart HOF series yet, it was too soon.
And like what cableV said, WWE should have let Mattel use current guys in "Flashback" attires so that the line was filled with more current big names.
Either way, hopefully in a year or two, Mattel gets the chance from retail to reboot the Legends Line or something because Flashbacks are really cool but just not enough to quench the Legends thirst for a lot of collectors.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Sept 29, 2012 15:25:19 GMT -5
I could see it working with baf managers that would sell to a lot of people. it would get me to buy the figure....god imagine the brain, jimmy hart, slick. it would be sweet
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Post by Rob7274 on Sept 29, 2012 16:40:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure it was line-ups.
I think the WWEs fan age % has changed and Legends are no longer heard about or remembered by a lot of the audience. A lot of the older fans have moved on.
Plus they released the Legends at the wrong time. They should really have left it a couple of years until they got a fan base with there newer figures.
Jakks fans not wanting to start again also contributed..
I now think Mattel had no chance at the time they released them no matter who was in the line up.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Sept 29, 2012 16:49:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure it was line-ups. I think the WWEs fan age % has changed and Legends are no longer heard about or remembered by a lot of the audience. A lot of the older fans have moved on. Plus they released the Legends at the wrong time. They should really have left it a couple of years until they got a fan base with there newer figures. Jakks fans not wanting to start again also contributed.. I now think Mattel had no chance at the time they released them no matter who was in the line up. I will agree with that! It's 2012, so a legend line now, would have to thrive off of stars from the 90's and early 00's. Hell, i don't even remember guys from the early 90's!!! Other than the main eventers. Attitude era would be the home runners right now! With WWE 13' coming out, that would give an insight on superstars from that era, as well a DVD releases and youtube! Now, would be a good choice on Mattels end, to release a WWE 13' style 2pack similiar to the elite style 2 pack for the All Stars game, to see what the demographic would purchase. Say we get: Rock vs Austin and Undertaker vs Mankind. For starters, these would fly off shelves, and by Mattel standards are repaints, so the coat of retooling aren't there! Based off the sales, they would get that the game helped boost sales from knowladge gained from the video game to the consumers! There fore, bringing life back to the Legends Line, of 90's and 00's stars. Which would bring in WWF attitude era, WCW, and ECW all to the table!
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Post by hitman1072 on Sept 29, 2012 17:43:17 GMT -5
None of the ideas proposed here would have saved the Legends line. Any of you that think you have the magical line-ups are simply wrong. There simply is not enough collector interest to support a Classic/Legends wrestling line with the scale, and all of the extras that we want in this economy. What some of you guys would like I can say I would absolutely hate, and vice versa. The only things that would make a Legends line viable are better economic conditions worldwide. You can give me all of your sure-fire formulas that you think would work right now. Long term...they wouldn't. As James Carville said during the 1992 Presidential Campaign "It's the economy stupid!" In this case, he'd be 100% correct.
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Post by peghound on Sept 29, 2012 17:54:28 GMT -5
Jakks CS and poor lineups killed it.
You gotta come strong before you start releasing garbage like Volkoff.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Sept 29, 2012 18:04:03 GMT -5
None of the ideas proposed here would have saved the Legends line. Any of you that think you have the magical line-ups are simply wrong. There simply is not enough collector interest to support a Classic/Legends wrestling line with the scale, and all of the extras that we want in this economy. What some of you guys would like I can say I would absolutely hate, and vice versa. The only things that would make a Legends line viable are better economic conditions worldwide. You can give me all of your sure-fire formulas that you think would work right now. Long term...they wouldn't. As James Carville said during the 1992 Presidential Campaign "It's the economy stupid!" In this case, he'd be 100% correct. Well, can't argue that logic. I have seen some cringe worthy suggestions. Like Savio Vega. However, I feel thatbin fair fashion, the annual poll would be the best way to go. Put all availible names on the list, from highly seeked stars down to virtual nobodies. And the 5 top voted stars get the plastic figure form!!!
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Post by mattwylde on Sept 29, 2012 18:13:50 GMT -5
Although I agree that there is a less demand for legends, if they started the line off strong from the get go the line definitely would have lasted longer than it did.
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Post by JC Motors on Sept 29, 2012 18:47:42 GMT -5
Legends were doomed from the start
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Post by PJ on Sept 29, 2012 19:13:26 GMT -5
This is discussed at least once a month and I'll say the same thing I've said every other time. The reason it failed was over production. Series 1 & 2 were released at the same time as the HOF line which was nothing more than series 1 & 2 rereleases with gold based and got cardboard plaques. So they flooded retail with those. Would have been better to make the hot repaints instead of straight rereleases. Series 1 & 2 were already overproduced before the hof was factored in. So they competed with each other, meaning if you found series 1 or 2 you didn't need the hof and vise versa.
And the 2-Packs were grossly over produced. My local TRU's first shipment was 30+ cases. (they also received at least 10 more cases since then) The first shipment alone equaled 90 of each set...with Jakks they never received more than 4 cases of any CSTT series. That equals only 12 of any set. So with Mattel tru had to sell 90+ of the same 3 sets. Where with Jakks the same number of cases equaled 7 different CSTT waves or 12 each of 21 teams. That's a huge difference. And that is why it failed.
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Post by Labeled101 on Sept 29, 2012 19:35:54 GMT -5
I agree with most that the line ups were the downfall.
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