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Post by T R W on Oct 30, 2012 12:25:31 GMT -5
Loving this season, but I agree with the points about Andrea. I love her character in the comics, but man, she sucks eggs in the tv show.
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Post by noir on Oct 30, 2012 14:24:42 GMT -5
Why did he keep all those heads in the display case? I didn't get that at all. It was a very good episode. Great change of pace from the main storyline, and it introduces a new setting which from what little I know about the source material, will be the location of a lot of  ed up shit. I think the Governor betraying the military base was stupidly written. He open fires on them with a pistol and nobody's quick enough to react? Also, I don't get the dislike for Andrea. I haven't read the comics, but I really like her in the show. She comes across as extremely complex and is certainly one of the darker members of the group. I'd have also totally been suckered in by the Governor. She has no reason to believe he's anything other than what he says he is. I'm still not in love with the casting of The Governor. I really like that they slow built the episode, so that you don't really get the full range of his crazy just yet, but it feels like an actor following in the footsteps of a character he read in a script as opposed to a guy becoming fully engrossed in a character. I'm sure most people don't feel that way, and there is plenty of time to change my mind, but right now I feel like Morrissey is going through the motions. Again, probably not the popular opinion, and I really had very little expectation for the role because I didn't know anything about Morrissey, but so far I think he is just solid, nothing more, nothing less. I think the writing of the character will make us hate and despise him, not so much the acting. Just my take. I felt exactly the same about him. I didn't really get anything from him as an actor, the only reason we had to dislike him was because of what was written into the script. But hey, it's only been one episode. |
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Post by T R W on Oct 30, 2012 14:36:33 GMT -5
I think the thing about Andrea is that her character is dramatically different from the comic version of her. Honestly, if it wasn't for Lori, I would hate her a lot more. Still love the show though. I kind of wish Merle had stayed gone.
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Post by v/\v on Oct 30, 2012 15:32:22 GMT -5
My feelings on this season are very positive with a few exceptions. The main group's goings on have been great, Rick has finally seen the light and taken up Shane's no prisoners take on surviving and that is a lead character I can get behind who makes the right move at the right time and doesn't take crapfrom outsiders who are likely to harm the group we 'care' about. Kinda wish Hershal had checked out last week however, feels like delaying the inevitable. Still much much higher on Carol/Daryl than Glen/Maggie, it has been much more organic. I love the current disconnect between the main group story and Michonne's side of things. I say Michonne's because I can only imagine Andrea being whacked eventually through pure stupidity and I'd be glad of that happening, her character's rationale flip-flops too much - or has in the past and she is taken in far FAR too easily by people and thus comes across as being dumb as - I'm frankly fed-up of seeing smarter characters carrying her. And I do like seeing Merle back and thankfully a lot less asinine for now. Not impressed with the Governor thus far, he barely hides his deceitful nature - whispers and trophy taking (the sword) and I'm glad that at least Michonne sees straight through it. Heads in fishtanks, who cares? Seemed like a shot to shock but fell completely meh for me. Was hoping for a full bodied child or wife in a tank or a movie being played over and over of gladder times after he glanced at his previous life and the nods to them searching for knowledge on the walkers, a cure? prob not but knowledge at least. Who cares about heads, he's the heel, we get it. The show feels like it has found a good beat at last, some dead wood still hanging around but I hope the next few eps are as exciting as the first two or move the plot along as well as the third did. I remember last year there was a right stinker in the absurd get-the-zombie-out-the-well-so-we-can-DRINK-the-water-he's-been-swimming-in, episode 4. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 19:32:22 GMT -5
I'm caught up on the season so far. However I'm wondering who is playing games with Rick's camp. I think it's Rick's son but it will also be interesting to see the Governors group return to the farm and find the mess that was left behind.
I know this is absolutely impossible but I wish Shane was the one playing games with Rick's camp and that he didn't die after all. It was all in Rick's imagination (basically a indoctrinated sequence where he killed another team member but saw Shane instead) and that he returns to seek vengeance on Rick for abandoning him.
It could work with the "lost" writing concept where Shane actually left with the other survivor from the shoot out in the town. Then Shane returned to the farm to get either Lori or other group members to come with him. He then find the mess and a trail leading to the prison and the person Rick actually killed was either one of camp members in an indoctrinated state believing it was actually Shane. I could go on about the idea and explain it further but most would see it as grasping for straws to bring back another former main character.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 30, 2012 20:27:50 GMT -5
I dislike Andrea and Lori for the simple reason that their characters have been written terribly. Andrea began as almost this useless character who was too "fragile" to help the group to eventually becoming arguably the most skilled woman in the group...and the dumbest as well. The reasons I find her annoying are... 1) Everybody in the group knew Shane was loosing it over the season, yet she still sided with him on everything. I get the thing that she felt that he was a stronger leader than Rick, but she even sided with him on issues that the group felt he was wrong about. 2) When Daryl returned looking messed up, Rick told her to not shoot because they didn't want a gun going off. Yet she still tried to show off and snipe a zombie, and almost killed Daryl in the process. She learns how to shoot some guns, and all of a sudden she thinks shes Rambo. She knew that gun shots alert walkers, and that it would have been better for Rick to kill it silently, yet she still fired. DUMB. 3) Almost allowing Maggie's sister to kill herself. Andrea had the BS reasoning that "I had a choice to die or live, and she has to make that decision blah blah blah..." Everybody lost someone in the zobmie apocalypse yet she acts like she had it the worst with her sister dying. And she made no choice to live, as Dale basically told her he'd die if she dies. She made no choice. Dale basically forced her hand, and she was still useless to the group, as seen in the opening highway scene for season 2. It wasn't until Shane taught her a few tricks that she began helping the group, and even then she was being a b*** by simply saying she was on watch instead of doing what the group needed her to do. As for Maggie's sister, shes a friggin teenager. She basically doesn't know what she wants (like all teenagers), and for Andrea to tell the group they shouldn't interfere with her decision is total BS considering Dale basically forced her hand and she made no decision. 4) Giving too much information to the Governer and Meryl. Seriously, this is Meryl friggin Dixon....MERYL DIXON! The guy who nearly beat T-Dogg to death on the roof of that building and almost cost them all their lives. And shes trusting him?  And we see next week she tells Meryl how to get to Herschel's farm...WTF? The Governer obviously tried to charm her, but she still gave out too much information to a complete stranger. Just like Michione was keeping her mouth shut, Andrea should have done the same. Talk some, but don't give your whole life story to the guy. Andrea and Lori have both been written terribly, and I won't even get into Lori right now. Andrea has been a nag and idiot for most of the series so it shouldn't be a surprise that many dislike her. |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 30, 2012 21:58:15 GMT -5
I'm caught up on the season so far. However I'm wondering who is playing games with Rick's camp. I think it's Rick's son but it will also be interesting to see the Governors group return to the farm and find the mess that was left behind. I know this is absolutely impossible but I wish Shane was the one playing games with Rick's camp and that he didn't die after all. It was all in Rick's imagination (basically a indoctrinated sequence where he killed another team member but saw Shane instead) and that he returns to seek vengeance on Rick for abandoning him. It could work with the "lost" writing concept where Shane actually left with the other survivor from the shoot out in the town. Then Shane returned to the farm to get either Lori or other group members to come with him. He then find the mess and a trail leading to the prison and the person Rick actually killed was either one of camp members in an indoctrinated state believing it was actually Shane. I could go on about the idea and explain it further but most would see it as grasping for straws to bring back another former main character. No offense, but that would be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. |
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Post by KeBen Owens on Oct 30, 2012 22:33:13 GMT -5
I'm caught up on the season so far. However I'm wondering who is playing games with Rick's camp. I think it's Rick's son but it will also be interesting to see the Governors group return to the farm and find the mess that was left behind. I know this is absolutely impossible but I wish Shane was the one playing games with Rick's camp and that he didn't die after all. It was all in Rick's imagination (basically a indoctrinated sequence where he killed another team member but saw Shane instead) and that he returns to seek vengeance on Rick for abandoning him. It could work with the "lost" writing concept where Shane actually left with the other survivor from the shoot out in the town. Then Shane returned to the farm to get either Lori or other group members to come with him. He then find the mess and a trail leading to the prison and the person Rick actually killed was either one of camp members in an indoctrinated state believing it was actually Shane. I could go on about the idea and explain it further but most would see it as grasping for straws to bring back another former main character. No offense, but that would be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Can't happen anyway. Jon Bernthal (the guy that played Shane) quit the show to join Frank Darabont on his new project for TNT, a crime drama called L.A.Noir.( not based on the Rockstar game). |
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Oct 31, 2012 2:00:39 GMT -5
My feelings on this season are very positive with a few exceptions. The main group's goings on have been great, Rick has finally seen the light and taken up Shane's no prisoners take on surviving and that is a lead character I can get behind who makes the right move at the right time and doesn't take crap from outsiders who are likely to harm the group we 'care' about. Kinda wish Hershal had checked out last week however, feels like delaying the inevitable. Still much much higher on Carol/Daryl than Glen/Maggie, it has been much more organic. I love the current disconnect between the main group story and Michonne's side of things. I say Michonne's because I can only imagine Andrea being whacked eventually through pure stupidity and I'd be glad of that happening, her character's rationale flip-flops too much - or has in the past and she is taken in far FAR too easily by people and thus comes across as being dumb as - I'm frankly fed-up of seeing smarter characters carrying her. And I do like seeing Merle back and thankfully a lot less asinine for now. Not impressed with the Governor thus far, he barely hides his deceitful nature - whispers and trophy taking (the sword) and I'm glad that at least Michonne sees straight through it. Heads in fishtanks, who cares? Seemed like a shot to shock but fell completely meh for me. Was hoping for a full bodied child or wife in a tank or a movie being played over and over of gladder times after he glanced at his previous life and the nods to them searching for knowledge on the walkers, a cure? prob not but knowledge at least. Who cares about heads, he's the heel, we get it. The show feels like it has found a good beat at last, some dead wood still hanging around but I hope the next few eps are as exciting as the first two or move the plot along as well as the third did. I remember last year there was a right stinker in the absurd get-the-zombie-out-the-well-so-we-can-DRINK-the-water-he's-been-swimming-in, episode 4. The heads in the fish tank was from the comic series. It was a bit more of a fan service than it was a shock factor, I guess you can say. And I wouldnt write off Andrea just yet. She is badass in the comics and i just hope they bring out that side of her in the show.  |
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Post by King Silva on Oct 31, 2012 2:50:34 GMT -5
^ Wow thanks for posting that.
Super creepy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 5:37:45 GMT -5
I like Andrea more this season, but I still have a general disdain for her. I hope they do more with her and get me liking her more though.
Lori though, Rick needs to tell that bitch where to get off.
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Post by Random Weddle on Oct 31, 2012 8:01:47 GMT -5
I already love this Governor. David Morrissey was fantastic in the episode. Can't wait to see him in scenes with Andrew Lincoln (Rick).
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 31, 2012 8:20:17 GMT -5
Been wondering who is the one who is messing w/ the group next week. It's obviously going to be the person who was watching Carol cut open the walker, so it won't be the two prisoners (also too predictable) and the Governor and his group don't know where they are so it won't be him either. Might be a totally new character given that I can't think of anyone else they pissed off in the past.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Oct 31, 2012 13:30:33 GMT -5
For all the heads in the fish tanks, are they all zombie heads or human or both?
Never read the comics so have no idea.
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Post by AdamBomb on Oct 31, 2012 14:56:34 GMT -5
For all the heads in the fish tanks, are they all zombie heads or human or both? Never read the comics so have no idea. Zombie. When a person dies, unless the brain is destroyed, they come back. All of those severed heads are reanimated. Just finished reading "The Road to Woodbury" - goddamn good read. For anyone who has read the comics and " Rise of the Governor", you'll loooove it. All I'm gonna say is, zombie arena. And for some of you unfamiliar with the material... hopefully that gives you a little more a push to read. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Oct 31, 2012 15:00:22 GMT -5
For all the heads in the fish tanks, are they all zombie heads or human or both? Never read the comics so have no idea. Zombie. When a person dies, unless the brain is destroyed, they come back. All of those severed heads are reanimated. Just finished reading "The Road to Woodbury" - goddamn good read. For anyone who has read the comics and " Rise of the Governor", you'll loooove it. All I'm gonna say is, zombie arena. And for some of you unfamiliar with the material... hopefully that gives you a little more a push to read. But why the marine? He wasnt a zombie? |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 31, 2012 17:05:34 GMT -5
Zombie. When a person dies, unless the brain is destroyed, they come back. All of those severed heads are reanimated. Just finished reading "The Road to Woodbury" - goddamn good read. For anyone who has read the comics and " Rise of the Governor", you'll loooove it. All I'm gonna say is, zombie arena. And for some of you unfamiliar with the material... hopefully that gives you a little more a push to read. But why the marine? He wasnt a zombie? Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but everyone's infected. So, when the Governor killed him, he would have become a walker, so he cut off his head and tossed him in with the rest. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 17:07:02 GMT -5
Zombie. When a person dies, unless the brain is destroyed, they come back. All of those severed heads are reanimated. Just finished reading "The Road to Woodbury" - goddamn good read. For anyone who has read the comics and " Rise of the Governor", you'll loooove it. All I'm gonna say is, zombie arena. And for some of you unfamiliar with the material... hopefully that gives you a little more a push to read. But why the marine? He wasnt a zombie? He killed all of the other Marines, why wouldn't he kill him too? |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Oct 31, 2012 18:31:51 GMT -5
But why the marine? He wasnt a zombie? Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but everyone's infected. So, when the Governor killed him, he would have become a walker, so he cut off his head and tossed him in with the rest. Thanks for the backhanded answer. I have never seen the show, can you explain what its about? Of course I have been paying attention and knew that, but when he died, he wasnt a zombie. There are differences.....zombies nad humans. That was my question, did they wait til he turned or just killed him and made him a trophy? Because the other heads look liked full turned zombies. |
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Nov 1, 2012 0:00:53 GMT -5
My guess is that they killed the Marine because they don't want anymore people in Woodbury. They kept him alive until he revealed where the other marines were so they can go and kill them and take their supplies. After they did, they had no use for him anymore so they killed him. I'm sure the only reason the governor is keeping Andrea and Michonne around is they can give some leads as to where the main group is so Woodbury can ambush them.
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