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Post by Brad on Nov 12, 2012 22:54:14 GMT -5
Eddie is the utmost example of a guy whose legacy is glorified simply due to the fact that he died; which is a shame that it happens so frequently in the wrestling industry. He was a great performer, great entertainer, no where NEAR as good as people make him out to be just because he died. I wish he would've been around longer to build his own legacy (which he probably would have); not have one handed to him posthumously. I'll admit to not really being a fan prior to his death. I never disliked him he was just someone I tended to overlook. Granted I was younger in his prime and not watching when he had his run on top of WWE. That being said, I will never forget the day I found out he died. After that, with all the discussion going on about him I started checking out his matches and being older, I realized how much I actually enjoyed his work. I only wish I had realized it before then.
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 12, 2012 22:55:29 GMT -5
I mean he main evented a Mania, won the WWE title, and wrestled and paid his dues for over 15 years, beat addiction, and gave us some of the best matches seen in ECW, WCW, and WWE. Those are all facts, you can't over glorify facts. I dunno if you guys only watched him in WWE or what, but you guys don't seem to know enough about the guy if you can see what he gave to the business.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Nov 12, 2012 22:57:11 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys are talking about, Eddie was over huge in WWE. People loved him way before his death and people wanted him back in the main event after his feud with Rey, one of the best in SD history. And he was well on his way just before his death. I don't know what YOU are talking about. Nobody is saying people didn't love Eddie. What was stated is that he wasn't as big and popular.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Nov 12, 2012 23:00:37 GMT -5
He's not saying none loved him. What he's saying is that his popularity grew a lot bigger than it actually was because he passed and, honestly, I have to agree. He was definitely a great wrestler and I really liked him, but he was nowhere near as popular, let alone legend, when that happened. And that naturally occurs when anyone dies...point being? Point being, first of, no one said he wasn't talented. Second, you're wrong, it doesn't naturally occur. Crash Holly died and I don't see a ton of people saying he should be a Hall of Famer.
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Post by Unleashed in the East on Nov 12, 2012 23:05:23 GMT -5
Eddie is the utmost example of a guy whose legacy is glorified simply due to the fact that he died; which is a shame that it happens so frequently in the wrestling industry. He was a great performer, great entertainer, no where NEAR as good as people make him out to be just because he died. I wish he would've been around longer to build his own legacy (which he probably would have); not have one handed to him posthumously. Regardless, he was extremely entertaining and it's such a shame he died. I remember not believing that he died because I was in middle school and I found out from my friend who would always tell me stupid lies about wrestlers. In fact a couple of weeks earlier he told me Angle had died. Wow, same. But my friend was pretty truthful. I just couldn't accept it until I saw it on the news.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 12, 2012 23:20:53 GMT -5
And that naturally occurs when anyone dies...point being? Point being, first of, no one said he wasn't talented. Second, you're wrong, it doesn't naturally occur. Crash Holly died and I don't see a ton of people saying he should be a Hall of Famer. Crash Holly wasn't Eddie Guerrero...but Crash is I'm sure much more appreciated now after death than he was alive.
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Post by Captain Charisma on Nov 12, 2012 23:28:19 GMT -5
time really flies.
I really miss him.
Hope you're having fun up there Eddie
RIP
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 12, 2012 23:40:27 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys are talking about, Eddie was over huge in WWE. People loved him way before his death and people wanted him back in the main event after his feud with Rey, one of the best in SD history. And hewas well on his way just before his death. I don't know what YOU are talking about. Nobody is saying people didn't love Eddie. What was stated is that he wasn't as big and popular. But he was and how can you argue that? He was as widely popular and loved before and after his death.
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 13, 2012 0:13:50 GMT -5
And that naturally occurs when anyone dies...point being? Point being, first of, no one said he wasn't talented. Second, you're wrong, it doesn't naturally occur. Crash Holly died and I don't see a ton of people saying he should be a Hall of Famer. Doesn't this just kind of de-bunk your argument? If it doesn't naturally occur with death, then wouldn't that mean all of Eddie's popularity and glorification after death mean that people felt those things with just as much passion before his death? I mean really, that post sounds like your arguing against your own point.
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Post by Kanenite on Nov 13, 2012 0:14:19 GMT -5
Damn. Hard to believe it was 7 years ago already. I remember being really sad when I found out in the morning while I was at my moms house. I remember posting here, something along the lines of "I'll never stop or forget the chants.... Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie...."
One of the best packages WWE has ever put together. I always feel teary eyed after watching it, and every time I hear the song elsewhere, I always think of Eddie.
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Post by wolfpac on Nov 13, 2012 0:30:47 GMT -5
I loved Eddie, I watched WCW really just for him and Jericho, and when he went to the WWF in 2000 I saw him as a huge star and thought he would be WWF champion within a year.
I remember one of the happiest moments of my childhood was finding a rotr3 guerrero and Perry Saturn at Toys r Us and playing with them for the entire month. Another great memory I have is meeting him in 2002 when he came to Edmonton and had that amazing Ladder Match with RVD. He seemed beat up and hurt, but still cheerful and willing to sign anything. I always thought Eddie was a hall of fame wrestler, and he still remains one of my favorites... I was heart broken when I found out he died, I think I was in shock really. I can`t say I cried when I heard since he wasn`t family or anything..but I did feel empty inside since he was such a huge part of my wrestling life.
I always think how different 2006 would have been if Eddie was around. I always thought they were building to Eddie Vs orton at WM 22...
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Nov 13, 2012 1:04:05 GMT -5
Point being, first of, no one said he wasn't talented. Second, you're wrong, it doesn't naturally occur. Crash Holly died and I don't see a ton of people saying he should be a Hall of Famer. Doesn't this just kind of de-bunk your argument? If it doesn't naturally occur with death, then wouldn't that mean all of Eddie's popularity and glorification after death mean that people felt those things with just as much passion before his death? I mean really, that post sounds like your arguing against your own point. Not really, because I'm talking about Guerrero only. Not everyone is going to be praised more after their death. Guerrero seems to be the case. I honestly don't see why is it that hard to understand that I'm not saying he wasn't loved or talented, but that he got a lot more popular than he was just because he died.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Nov 13, 2012 1:05:59 GMT -5
I don't know what YOU are talking about. Nobody is saying people didn't love Eddie. What was stated is that he wasn't as big and popular. But he was and how can you argue that? He was as widely popular and loved before and after his death. Again... Nobody is arguing he was popular and loved. What was said is that it grew a ton more than it would've if he was still alive.
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Post by Patriot174 on Nov 13, 2012 1:38:28 GMT -5
Relax with this back-and-forth stuff, guys. This is a remembrance thread, not a discussion of whether or not his popularity/legacy grew posthumously; please leave that for another thread.
I still remember staying over my cousins' house that weekend, opening up WWE.com as soon as I woke up late that Sunday morning and just staring at that computer screen in disbelief. Can't believe it's already been 7 years.
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Post by CSUMB84 on Nov 13, 2012 4:38:29 GMT -5
Wow... I cannot believe it has been 7 years already as it still feels just like yesterday.
I'll never forget that Sunday afternoon. I was a junior at CSU Monterey Bay and we (the basketball team) had just returned the day before from a weekend trip at UCLA (we lost 104-41 lol). I woke up around noon-ish, and turned on the tv to watch the NFL games while my computer booted up. When the computer had finish loading, I went to an old wrestling theme song site, "Antdogs," and saw a post in the wrestling discussion thread that said "Eddie Guerrero dead."
Naturally, I thought it was some board member trying to be a wise guy (because someone had pulled a similar stunt a few days before) and get attention so I didn't even bother to click on the post. After a few minutes, my curiosity got the better of me and I went to WWE.com. Nothing could have prepared me for what I saw on their homepage.
I literally screamed out "NOOOOOOOOOOO" and started crying for a solid 15 minutes. I just couldn't believe it. One of my roommates, who wasn't a wrestling fan, thought maybe it was just for a storyline but once I showed him that main news sites had picked up the story, he knew it wasn't a storyline.
I still can't re-watch the Raw or Smackdown tribute shows for Eddie. I watched them the first night they aired and recorded them to disc but I cried so much during the shows. Once the music video tributes with Johnny Cash's cover of "Hurt" and 3 Doors Down "Here Without You" were played on those nights, I totally lost it and just balled for what felt like forever.
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Post by King Silva on Nov 13, 2012 4:46:13 GMT -5
Damn doesn't feel like it has been 7 years. RIP to him.
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Post by y2yay on Nov 13, 2012 8:29:32 GMT -5
But he was and how can you argue that? He was as widely popular and loved before and after his death. Again... Nobody is arguing he was popular and loved. What was said is that it grew a ton more than it would've if he was still alive. I'm not sure how his popularity did grow though. Eddie was a legend before he died. For example, if CM Punk died tomorrow, would he be considered a legend? Yeah, definitely. And he should be. The reason Eddie is considered a legend is because everyone knows he had the talent. If his life hadn't of been cut short, and he'd retired naturally a few years later, he still would have been inducted into the HOF eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 8:41:46 GMT -5
I remember exactly where I was when i found out he passed away. I pulled an all nighter and would check wwe.com every couple hours, thats when I saw the banner on wwe.com saying that he passed. I was heartbroken because I was really excited to see him wrestle at Survivor Series a few weeks later.
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Nov 13, 2012 8:43:12 GMT -5
The only wrestling death that's really affected me, sure I enjoyed guys like Benoit's & Test's work but nothing can be compared to Eddie. I just remember not having any internet access on the Sunday until the evening, and when I saw the image that Eat Defeat showed, it initially didn't kick in and thought he had just retired out of the blue or something, then saw headlines like 'Eddie Guerrero found dead'. My heart sank and immediately felt numb, I don't think I got any sleep that night. Apart from watching the tribute shows I don't think I watched any WWE for around a month. Still miss him in the ring to this day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 8:48:34 GMT -5
I was really happy when the Radicalz turned up in the WWE, I'd enjoyed Benoit, Saturn and Eddie in WCW (always found Malenko to be ridiculously boring though) so it was awesome to see them. Then they had that feud with Billy Gunn and Chyna which was something I really enjoyed. Billy & Eddie had some great matches on SD, I really wish they'd been able to have a more high profile match at a PPV.
I remember when Eddie and RVD had that feud, I always rooted for Eddie because I preferred him. Sad that he's gone. I really would have loved to have seen what he would have done over the past 7 years.
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