DGX
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Post by DGX on Sept 18, 2012 13:25:36 GMT -5
I'm still confused as to why anyone's character should be built as a strong competitor if in essence their writing doesn't back it up? If E is planning on feuding with Bennett then surely when they do face off, in a match that he doesn't choose to lose, then E would win hands down, unless of course Bennett manages to improve to a top level in a matter of weeks, which no offence to the guy, I don't see happening because it takes time. I will however communicate with Bennett and work something out if it helps E in the long run. Agreed. In a setting such as this where output quality dictates victory, bookings should fall second to writing. Otherwise, any Hollywood Honor could walk in off the street, sign up, and then PM the owners saying "book me as a strong contender for *insert title here*". I've communicated with Drakz privately with regard to the situation and I believe we've resolved it but seeing that this is being questioned here in the interest of transparency I'll shed some minor details to clear up the situation and explain my reasoning. To bring a logic syllogism to the table, the arguments provided here are indeed valid but not sound. What invalidates Brennan's argument specifically is that his premise of championships is flawed as this situation has not nor is intended to have championship implications for any parties involved. Dan is new to WFWF and the roleplay format of writing in general, as his very raw debut piece illustrated. However this feud E put together months back was made with the understanding that Hutton would be the opponent, not Dan. We planned to intro Dan in differently and ease him into the style. Hutton's life unfortunately intervened and left E in a bind so Dan is a hastily subbed opponent. Obviously with his tenure here and his distinction as the only man to defeat Obo since his return Hutton had established himself as a mid top, low main event tier guy with a body of work and a track record to his credit. Dan understandably has none of those qualifications nor background and if we're being real is doing E a solid being in this angle. For the angle to work as E has laid it out, he must struggle and his opponent must flourish somewhat heading to their PPV match to create the question as to whether or not that opponent is for "real" or not. Now obviously were this Hutton, no problems, between history and his talent level he obviously would've carried his role no problem. Regrettably it's not how things worked out, so I would think it wouldn't be tons to ask with no title implications or contender ranking at stake, to maybe have bookers work WITH the talent just a little bit to help along the angle. And hey, maybe this isn't their fault, maybe this is on E. I don't know if he told the bookers his vision clearly or no, but either way: booking Dan strong in this case is not only appropriate but the right thing to do both for him and EBR as characters short term and Dan long term.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Sept 18, 2012 14:17:57 GMT -5
guess I shouldn't have murdered Hutton.
My bad, E.
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Post by DGX on Sept 18, 2012 15:01:38 GMT -5
guess I shouldn't have murdered Hutton. My bad, E. If we're being real Hutton's life situation is the cause of his not being involved, not your juvenile spot fest "killing" of a guy who no showed due to a serious real life situation occurring that trumped him RPing. If the situation hadn't occurred and he'd showed odds are with Kyzer and Raider no showing he'd probably have just beat you again. But yeah feel absolved, his life situation was the culprit not you. He's probably not even going to acknowledge your spot thing when/if he returns.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Sept 18, 2012 15:24:55 GMT -5
You're right, we shouldn't have had a main event of the last PPV at all, since all three challenger's real lifes were more important than the federations. All angles going into and coming out of the card should have been ignored and dropped completely. And screw continuity. Screw angles. And screw these silly spots in these stupid matches! Lighten the up. also, I completely agree. Hutton should've won the title, despite leaving the federation, because the nothing that he posted was so much of a better read than my two roleplays. Kyzer's no show, Raider's no show, and Hutton's no show were all vastly superior.
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 18, 2012 15:35:09 GMT -5
All I was made aware of was that Dan was to beat E, and that there was to be a tag match, I just made the mistake as to what week said match was supposed to happen and that for the sake of one buildup, Raider was to face no one within The New Epoch until proper buildup happened. Anything else wasn't told to me and I highly doubt it was told Ace. I don't blame anyone in the slightest. E's used to keeping things close to the chest, probably because as when he was owner, anything involving him was clearly left up to him, he'd just send be his pieces for the results when it was my turn to write them. I didn't necessarily need to know every detail. It was nice to, but I didn't have to until the segment was sent and everyone was on board and such.
But with that being said, if you want something done specifically, you have to tell me. I don't mind people playing things close to the chest. No one knew the next event with my feud with ZMaster, and that's fine. I like surprises, just so long as you send me your segments and everyone involved is on board, by all means. But when it comes to booking, I need to at least be made aware of a general outline for the booking. I knew of the tag match, I just muffed the week up, that's it.
But I work with the artists, not all of the booking is done by Ace and myself just for the sake of logical booking, we work with people when they need certain matches so long as everyone is aware and they tell Ace and myself. Kyzer and Schneider will tell you we've been all accommodating in regards to what needs booked when special matches are necessary so long as, you know, everyone is aware that's the plan and such. Sure things get lost in translation from time to time, but we're easy going and very flexible to whatever so long as everyone is aware of it and ok with it.
So yeah. We'll book whatever and however, we just have to know. Not getting on E on the slightest. Much love for him, I just wasn't informed that was the plan. Whether he meant to tell me and forgot or someone else was supposed to and forgot, it doesn't really matter, no one's really to fault and such. Sh*t happens. All we can do now is try to make it work and such. Haha.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Sept 18, 2012 15:49:40 GMT -5
Agreed. In a setting such as this where output quality dictates victory, bookings should fall second to writing. Otherwise, any Hollywood Honor could walk in off the street, sign up, and then PM the owners saying "book me as a strong contender for *insert title here*". I've communicated with Drakz privately with regard to the situation and I believe we've resolved it but seeing that this is being questioned here in the interest of transparency I'll shed some minor details to clear up the situation and explain my reasoning. To bring a logic syllogism to the table, the arguments provided here are indeed valid but not sound. What invalidates Brennan's argument specifically is that his premise of championships is flawed as this situation has not nor is intended to have championship implications for any parties involved. Dan is new to WFWF and the roleplay format of writing in general, as his very raw debut piece illustrated. However this feud E put together months back was made with the understanding that Hutton would be the opponent, not Dan. We planned to intro Dan in differently and ease him into the style. Hutton's life unfortunately intervened and left E in a bind so Dan is a hastily subbed opponent. Obviously with his tenure here and his distinction as the only man to defeat Obo since his return Hutton had established himself as a mid top, low main event tier guy with a body of work and a track record to his credit. Dan understandably has none of those qualifications nor background and if we're being real is doing E a solid being in this angle. For the angle to work as E has laid it out, he must struggle and his opponent must flourish somewhat heading to their PPV match to create the question as to whether or not that opponent is for "real" or not. Now obviously were this Hutton, no problems, between history and his talent level he obviously would've carried his role no problem. Regrettably it's not how things worked out, so I would think it wouldn't be tons to ask with no title implications or contender ranking at stake, to maybe have bookers work WITH the talent just a little bit to help along the angle. And hey, maybe this isn't their fault, maybe this is on E. I don't know if he told the bookers his vision clearly or no, but either way: booking Dan strong in this case is not only appropriate but the right thing to do both for him and EBR as characters short term and Dan long term. How was I or Shawn supposed to know this when we don't have this much information when booking the card? Oh, nevermind, what Shawn said.
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Post by DGX on Sept 18, 2012 15:53:59 GMT -5
You're right, we shouldn't have had a main event of the last PPV at all, since all three challenger's real lifes were more important than the federations. Being honest? Real life kind of always trumps this thing. Understandably you don't know the full details nor do you need to, so I sometimes forget that you aren't aware of exactly how serious the situation facing Hutton was and continues to be. Sorry they fell through. Raider and/or Kyzer had their reasons for not showing but I'm not on the inside of that like I am with Hutton's scenario. Being real though, even if his reason for leaving for a bit wasn't as heavy as it is your spot was still a semi b*tch move regardless. Particularly when you turn around and give Kyzer a big time pass and modicum of respect when I guarantee his reason for not showing up wasn't 1/50th as serious or bad as Hutton's. But again you don't know the details so I can't fault you, but the whole bitterness over the loss thing really showed through on that one. You'll note, I didn't say Hutton should've won the title in present circumstance being the same now did I? I said had his situation not occurred and he'd showed, which is to say posted a RP, he'd probably have beat you in that circumstance. Do please follow along accurately. I sense allot of defensiveness and angst with regard to this line of thinking so I would be remiss if I didn't advise you... ...to take your own advice.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Sept 18, 2012 15:59:46 GMT -5
Hutton was going into the rail, with that spot, REGARDLESS of the outcome of the match. If he won the entire match, he was going to be laid out post match and dropped, as a karma and angle continuation for the events of It's Super Effective. If he and Kyzer or Raider were the final two, and Kyzer or Raider went over, they were going to go over after Hutton was dropped off the top rope onto a guardrail with an Omega Driver. and if he was eliminated by me, which he was, that's where his elimination came from.
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Post by DGX on Sept 18, 2012 16:09:54 GMT -5
Ahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha!!
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 18, 2012 16:50:13 GMT -5
Here's my take on it.
As far as I knew, seeing as I wasn't involved in the match and only knew what was being told to me through Kyzer and Schneider, the plan even before Hutton said he had to leave (which he knew about so far as I'm aware due to what the Hutton character did to the Schneider character at ISE and such) was for Hutton to get jacked up something nasty, just probably not as nasty as Schneider wrote it but...it's Schneider. If you let him write the match, you know what you're getting. I'm not saying that's bad in the slightest, he's a very good match writer...probably the best here outside of, and maybe on par with the XWA guys, it's just that you just know what's gonna happen, win or lose and such. Hutton knew that and knew Schneider was writing the match, even before hand so I would imagine that Hutton knew that he, same as Raider and Kyzer (though he wound up due to how everything played out did something different) knew they were gonna get rocked too and such.
What Schneider wrote was nothing more than putting over his character in what turned out to be an even more dominant win since everyone no showed, whatever their reasons were, through no faults of their own. Was it a bit over the top? Uhh...have you read a Schneider match lately? By the time he retires from this place, he'll literally be writing his character murdering people in the ring. Like, serious.
Was it unnecessary to whallop Hutton so hard, especially when he out and out admitted that he couldn't RP due to personal reasons and had to leave the WFWF? I have no room to say seeing as I wrote ZMaster being hung upside down following our blowoff match and subsequently lighting my own character on fire to win a match, but odds are, probably. Injuring him would have been fabulous, give the character an easy out and an easy in should the writer ever choose to return to the WFWF. Doing what Schneider wrote...yeah...overkill, but you know, Hutton had to leave and while I sympathize with him greatly from what I do know about his situation and my prayers are still with the writer, this is only an efed, a place for us to write up lives of characters and compete with one another and incorporate our love of writing, drama, comedy and wrestling into one activity.
I have no idea what Hutton thinks of the match, but while he may think it's overkill and be a little peeved Schneider went that far, I think I know enough about the guy to say that I think he'd at least agree with me when I said at least he now had an easy in if he ever chose to return and such.
But then again, maybe I'm completely wrong and such. I just got the impression that he was pretty chill and would have been chill with writing out the character however so long as a place for a return was left should he ever want to and such. Haha.
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 18, 2012 17:08:50 GMT -5
This whole conversation is sissy and annoying. It's a god damned fantasy wrestling league.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 17:13:09 GMT -5
*Rasslin
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 18, 2012 17:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by DGX on Sept 18, 2012 17:21:31 GMT -5
This whole conversation is sissy and annoying. It's a god damned fantasy wrestling league. I would suggest you don't read it then. And not for nothin, but it's a fantasy wrestling league that you partake in. I merely gave my two cents about a booking situation and when someone stepped up to talk smack about an absentee friend of mine I opted to defend him. That's it. In either case, both situations were resolved satisfactorally anyways so anything from this point on is gravy as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps we should all heed Obo's previous advice.
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Post by eljefe on Sept 18, 2012 19:07:08 GMT -5
This whole conversation is sissy and annoying. It's a god damned fantasy wrestling league. Preach. In semi-related news...my RP is.....non-existent. I have nothing yet. So, in other words, business as usual.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Sept 18, 2012 19:08:33 GMT -5
We have a lot of WFWF tag team champions. Four by my count.
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 18, 2012 19:39:00 GMT -5
That's okay - I just became co-number one contender with Tommy Staxx this week. Four tag champs is just par for the course.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Sept 18, 2012 19:40:38 GMT -5
That's okay - I just became co-number one contender with Tommy Staxx this week. Four tag champs is just par for the course. Are you seriously upset about someone else getting a title shot before you? You're the one always talking about how it's just an e-fed. I made a joke.
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Post by CM Poor: DeepFigureValue on Sept 18, 2012 19:48:53 GMT -5
That's okay - I just became co-number one contender with Tommy Staxx this week. Four tag champs is just par for the course. Are you seriously upset about someone else getting a title shot before you? You're the one always talking about how it's just an e-fed. I made a joke. You don't even want to hear how upset I am over the fact that I have to rp well in order to win matches.
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