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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Dec 3, 2012 23:15:13 GMT -5
Another sleeper.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 23:15:57 GMT -5
us 4way was definatly the best match of the night.....really the only good part tbh
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Post by Phantom on Dec 3, 2012 23:17:17 GMT -5
I thought the show was awesome tonight. Well other than PTP's new theme, Maddox's burial, and the simple thought of Ziggler losing the case to Cena. They better use that match to give Ziggler his final stripe, because hes ready to ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing race.
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Post by J12 on Dec 3, 2012 23:17:26 GMT -5
Some really good stuff tonight, some pretty bad stuff as well.
PTP should have gotten the victory over Kane/Bryan due to interference. These guys are golden, and they're clearly prepping them for a big title shot. Tonight was the night to set it up. The new theme sucks, though. The old one was catchy as hell.
I absolutely loved Punk and Heyman's promo. The Miz interrupting was interesting, though he's still finding his footing as a face. He'll get there.
The Fatal 4 Way for the U.S. Title was absolutely fantastic. Holy hell, what a match.
I hate the Vickie/Vince angle with every Pay-Per-View. It's stupid, and it makes them seem like they have no idea what they're doing. With that being said, I'm perfectly fine with Ziggler's briefcase being on the line, but he has to win. I can't possibly fathom the idea of them giving Cena the briefcase, unless Ziggler is poised to win the Rumble.
I loved the idea of the lie detector test on paper - it seemed big, but it fell sort of flat. Some of Punk's retorts were funny, but again, The Miz was struggling to really find his footing.
The Shield stuff was great, though I'm not really sure what purpose attacking Orton served. They didn't bring him out at the end, so what gives?
I was initially opposed to see them getting beat down, but the Ryback beatdown on Punk needed to happen. It had been too one sided lately, and the crowd wanted it so bad. Ryback is so over it's scary. I feel bad for anybody who can't stand this guy - he's clearly here to stay.
The one fear I have is that they've worked themselves into a corner a bit. Punk obviously needs to win the TLC match, but Ryback coming out of this feud without the title is awfully uneventful and sort of counter-productive. They're in an interesting place.
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Post by BOOKER_T on Dec 3, 2012 23:19:37 GMT -5
So so raw but the end made up for it.
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Post by RybackV1 on Dec 3, 2012 23:31:42 GMT -5
Some really good stuff tonight, some pretty bad stuff as well. PTP should have gotten the victory over Kane/Bryan due to interference. These guys are golden, and they're clearly prepping them for a big title shot. Tonight was the night to set it up. The new theme sucks, though. The old one was catchy as hell. I absolutely loved Punk and Heyman's promo. The Miz interrupting was interesting, though he's still finding his footing as a face. He'll get there. The Fatal 4 Way for the U.S. Title was absolutely fantastic. Holy hell, what a match. I hate the Vickie/Vince angle with every Pay-Per-View. It's stupid, and it makes them seem like they have no idea what they're doing. With that being said, I'm perfectly fine with Ziggler's briefcase being on the line, but he has to win. I can't possibly fathom the idea of them giving Cena the briefcase, unless Ziggler is poised to win the Rumble. I loved the idea of the lie detector test on paper - it seemed big, but it fell sort of flat. Some of Punk's retorts were funny, but again, The Miz was struggling to really find his footing. The Shield stuff was great, though I'm not really sure what purpose attacking Orton served. They didn't bring him out at the end, so what gives? I was initially opposed to see them getting beat down, but the Ryback beatdown on Punk needed to happen. It had been too one sided lately, and the crowd wanted it so bad. Ryback is so over it's scary. I feel bad for anybody who can't stand this guy - he's clearly here to stay.The one fear I have is that they've worked themselves into a corner a bit. Punk obviously needs to win the TLC match, but Ryback coming out of this feud without the title is awfully uneventful and sort of counter-productive. They're in an interesting place. That times a million. That crowd pop tonight was the biggest of the night by far. Ryback had everyone jumping out of their seats. I'm telling ya this guy is the future!! Loving it!
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Post by marino13 on Dec 3, 2012 23:35:38 GMT -5
Thought it was a decent show tonight. Again, the in ring action was great, but the promo work (outside of Punk/Heyman) was mediocre.
I'm ready for Vickie to take some time off cause I've seen enough of her for awhile. And Dolph needs to go out on his own.
I'm assuming Maddox is with The Shield, cause I see no other reason why they attacked Orton. But maybe there will be more to that in upcoming weeks?
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Post by drifter on Dec 3, 2012 23:38:48 GMT -5
Thought it was a decent show tonight. Again, the in ring action was great, but the promo work (outside of Punk/Heyman) was mediocre. I'm ready for Vickie to take some time off cause I've seen enough of her for awhile. And Dolph needs to go out on his own. I'm assuming Maddox is with The Shield, cause I see no other reason why they attacked Orton. But maybe there will be more to that in upcoming weeks? Going with the shielding injustice angle, Maddox has to go into a match with an unknown opponent, to try and get signed.
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Post by GCYUM on Dec 3, 2012 23:48:27 GMT -5
his intentsness couldnt be held within his body Damn talk about butchering a word...... ![:-X](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/lipsrsealed.gif) Alright Raw.. ending made up for the rest.
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Post by Chip on Dec 3, 2012 23:51:19 GMT -5
Antonio Cesaro is the best thing going in this company right now. He is 100% solid in the ring and he actually does DIFFERENT things. It's so refreshing.
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Post by Spoder Juan on Dec 3, 2012 23:51:28 GMT -5
I'm glad I didn't post on the thread during the show. Because I for one enjoyed it.
But oh well.
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Post by RybackV1 on Dec 4, 2012 0:07:53 GMT -5
Antonio Cesaro is the best thing going in this company right now. He is 100% solid in the ring and he actually does DIFFERENT things. It's so refreshing. I'm with you 100% on that one. He's amazing. He is what WRESTLING is all about. And I always thought I preferred Chris Hero..
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Post by jm556 on Dec 4, 2012 0:11:11 GMT -5
Why did I picture Jr saying punk is paying for his sins when he got beat up?
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 4, 2012 0:31:42 GMT -5
Raw was meh. I thought that AJ, Cena and the US Championship match were entertaining. Miz was crushing it on the mic. I think the sleeper of the night though belongs to Del Rio and Sin Cara. I mean, I don't like either of them honestly, but it was one hell of a good match...the ending was sloppy, but there are only so many ways you can counter Sin Cara's finisher into the rolling armbar. The way they did it wasn't one of those ways I'd say. I found Brad Maddox to be very...meh. Sandow and Santino were also meh I'd say. The Shield was tops, and Cena and Ziggler could be a good match if they give them some decent time to do something I'd say and such. Haha.
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Post by BOOKER_T on Dec 4, 2012 1:07:17 GMT -5
Antonio Cesaro is the best thing going in this company right now. He is 100% solid in the ring and he actually does DIFFERENT things. It's so refreshing. I wasn't his biggest fan but after last few weeks he's growing on me.
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Post by MikeMillenium on Dec 4, 2012 1:51:04 GMT -5
Does Cesaro get reactions from the crowd yet? Or are they still dead? Don't get me wrong, I think he's one of the best right now in the ring, but how has the crowd accepted him so far?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2012 1:55:43 GMT -5
Antonio Cesaro is the best thing going in this company right now. He is 100% solid in the ring and he actually does DIFFERENT things. It's so refreshing. i agree, solid worker
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Post by Chip on Dec 4, 2012 10:10:00 GMT -5
You know what I wish they would stop doing
commercial breaks in the middle of EVERY match that is longer than 2 minutes. it really kills any momentum I have watching a match and makes everything feel so..."planned" and I watch RAW on DVR! when I see a guy get knocked down on the outside it's pretty much a given that "oh it's commercial time" it's really frustrating, I'm actually INTO the match, invested in what's going on and then bam...they cut away. It flat out sucks
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Post by Dan on Dec 4, 2012 10:43:16 GMT -5
Makes me think that Cena winning the Briefcase is there way of making it a Triple Threat at Wrestlemania. Whoever loses between The Rock and CM Punk will enter the Rumble Match and win, and Cena can use his Briefcase to make himself part of the Match at Wrestlemania.
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Post by J12 on Dec 4, 2012 11:38:38 GMT -5
Does Cesaro get reactions from the crowd yet? Or are they still dead? Don't get me wrong, I think he's one of the best right now in the ring, but how has the crowd accepted him so far? Eh, occasionally. Depends on the city. They're nothing spectacular. Which is unfortunate, but truth be told, WWE hasn't really done anything with him yet that would make the crowd think "oh yeah, we really hate this guy." Just the usual angry foreigner crap. His in-ring work is stellar, though.
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