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Post by slappy on Jan 25, 2013 18:04:01 GMT -5
And that amendment only had to do with Congressional pay. I know. And it took like almost a century to be ratified I think. It's just preposterous to me. And listening to people argue over their interpretations of it is silly when in reality in a lot of ways it barely even relates to modern society much like most holy books. And they are both anchors holding back real progress and evolution. Jefferson suggested we make a new constitution every 19 years so that "the dead didn't have power over the living." I think it would be pretty interesting to see what drafters today would put in the new constitution.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Jan 25, 2013 19:18:58 GMT -5
From a pragmatic standpoint, does it really make any sense to keep debating about the original intent of the 2nd amendment? To me it does come off very clearly but the fact remains that the modern interpretation of the amendment is pretty firmly entrenched, and we've got 90 million households with firearms as a practical matter. Arguing over constitutional nuance isn't going to change that.
For me, a lot of my angst towards gun control measures comes from the timbre of the conversation, which in a lot of instances amounts to sheer condescension from the anti-gun camp. "You don't know what's best for yourself, so we're going to make the legislative decisions for you." This comes up on other issues as well but it seems like gun control brings it to the forefront like nothing else. I guess I just have a hard time understanding the reason why me owning guns makes other people so upset.
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Post by slappy on Jan 25, 2013 19:57:03 GMT -5
I took a look at my state's constitution.
Right to keep and bear arms. SECTION 25. [As created Nov. 1998] The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Jan 25, 2013 20:16:03 GMT -5
Interestingly, Minnesota's state constitution has no such provision. And looking at the list, it's one of only 6 states that does not make a specific point of mentioning it in its constitution.
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Post by HR2X on Jan 26, 2013 11:22:06 GMT -5
The New York Constitution is in Russian for some reason....
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 26, 2013 13:00:05 GMT -5
It's a conspiracy.
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 26, 2013 15:38:51 GMT -5
I got went to the Gun Show this morning. Parking was insane, the line to get in (which there never was before) was about a 20 minute wait in the cold... it was mobbed, you could barley move and look at anything. If there was a fire, forget about it, everyone would be dead. It was that mobbed. And price-gouging galore and although people were complaining, they were selling out of things. For a cheapy AR Mag most vendors were asking up to $50 when they are normally like $15. Ammo was jacket up, no .22lr ammo when I went. They said all that was grabbed up within a 20 min after they opened. Most guns were priced reasonably though, no real bargains but decent unless it was an AR or AK. Those were way overpriced.
The news media was there too, I saw a couple of TV station crews, and news paper reporters interviewing people and taking pics.
What did I get? Nada. I refuse to pay those prices, actually I can't afford those prices, lol. I did get lucky though, my source from Walmart let me know they got some .22 ammo in stock so I was glad not to be able to get any at the gun show. I probably paid 1/4 of what I would have at the show.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Jan 26, 2013 22:28:30 GMT -5
Just got back from doing some grocery shopping at the local Wally World. Decided to get a box of .357 ammo for my revolver and I couldn't believe my eyes. The ammo cabinet was emptier than a Scottish pay toilet. There were a couple boxes of some rifle cartridges, some .270 and .30-06 but other than that it was cleaned out. Plus there was a sign on the cabinet door saying they were now imposing a limit of 3 boxes purchased per day. Needless to say I came out empty handed.
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 26, 2013 22:49:29 GMT -5
Just got back from doing some grocery shopping at the local Wally World. Decided to get a box of .357 ammo for my revolver and I couldn't believe my eyes. The ammo cabinet was emptier than a Scottish pay toilet. There were a couple boxes of some rifle cartridges, some .270 and .30-06 but other than that it was cleaned out. Plus there was a sign on the cabinet door saying they were now imposing a limit of 3 boxes purchased per day. Needless to say I came out empty handed. I think they are all doing the 3 box limit now. All the ones around me that sell ammo is doing it. Yep and they empty quickly. If you want ammo from them or any other chain store that sells ammo you need to keep calling and/or checking the website for stock (or make friends with the ammo dept associate like I did ) then get there quick.
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Post by HR2X on Jan 26, 2013 22:51:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the ammo shortage sucks.. which is one of the reasons I've started reloading
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 26, 2013 22:56:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the ammo shortage sucks.. which is one of the reasons I've started reloading Yeah and the Mag shortage... people panic and go out and buy everything up not even caring about the prices. It's nuts.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Jan 26, 2013 23:05:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the ammo shortage sucks.. which is one of the reasons I've started reloading I'm seriously considering getting into reloading. Mainly for stuff like my .357 and my deer rifle. I'll probably get a reloading setup for sure when I get my next gun (Rossi RioGrande): Since it's a .45/70 and the ammo is ludicrously expensive I'd rather reload for it.
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Post by slappy on Jan 27, 2013 1:12:02 GMT -5
“With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option. You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. But are you prepared?”
- Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke urges residents to learn how to defend themselves as the police will not always be there to protect you when you need it.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Jan 27, 2013 1:35:23 GMT -5
When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
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Post by HR2X on Jan 27, 2013 1:35:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the ammo shortage sucks.. which is one of the reasons I've started reloading I'm seriously considering getting into reloading. Mainly for stuff like my .357 and my deer rifle. I'll probably get a reloading setup for sure when I get my next gun (Rossi RioGrande): Since it's a .45/70 and the ammo is ludicrously expensive I'd rather reload for it. You should, I'm actually finding it much cheaper.. right now it's costing me about .20-.25 a round to reload .223. 9mm is up next, and should be right around the same. These numbers could be lower if everything wasn't so constrained and if I bought primers and powder locally instead of online ($27.50 Hazmat fees for every order ) .357 Mag and .45/70 should be pretty easy to reload, hickok45 on youtube shoots a lot of both rounds and also has some videos of him reloading. Pistol cartridges are by far the easiest to reload as you have no case neck or shoulder. The press I'm currently using is a Lee Classic single stage press, while I've only had it about a year or two, I've already out grown it, and I'm looking more at progressive presses.
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Post by HR2X on Jan 27, 2013 1:36:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the ammo shortage sucks.. which is one of the reasons I've started reloading Yeah and the Mag shortage... people panic and go out and buy everything up not even caring about the prices. It's nuts. Yeah, well at least magazines for your guns exist... I've never heard of a 7 round AR mag
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Jan 27, 2013 9:08:52 GMT -5
I'm seriously considering getting into reloading. Mainly for stuff like my .357 and my deer rifle. I'll probably get a reloading setup for sure when I get my next gun (Rossi RioGrande): Since it's a .45/70 and the ammo is ludicrously expensive I'd rather reload for it. You should, I'm actually finding it much cheaper.. right now it's costing me about .20-.25 a round to reload .223. 9mm is up next, and should be right around the same. These numbers could be lower if everything wasn't so constrained and if I bought primers and powder locally instead of online ($27.50 Hazmat fees for every order ) .357 Mag and .45/70 should be pretty easy to reload, hickok45 on youtube shoots a lot of both rounds and also has some videos of him reloading. Pistol cartridges are by far the easiest to reload as you have no case neck or shoulder. The press I'm currently using is a Lee Classic single stage press, while I've only had it about a year or two, I've already out grown it, and I'm looking more at progressive presses. Yeah Hickok45 was the reason I thought about reloading .45/70 actually. He repeatedly points out how expensive those 'torpedoes' are and how much cheaper it is to reload them.
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Post by xxthigpenxx on Feb 1, 2013 22:05:24 GMT -5
A gun is only a tool as are knives & other weapons. While any tool can be used for evil in the hands of a nutcase. A lot of the times cops can't always protect you. By the time you call a cop and you don't have a gun you will more than likely be dead.
Why is when we turn on the news we hear about guns in a bad way and never in a good way? You either hear about someone killing someone or someone taking their own life but you never ever hear about guns be used in a good way.
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Post by Jack Specific on Feb 1, 2013 22:33:37 GMT -5
A gun is only a tool as are knives & other weapons. While any tool can be used for evil in the hands of a nutcase. A lot of the times cops can't always protect you. By the time you call a cop and you don't have a gun you will more than likely be dead. Why is when we turn on the news we hear about guns in a bad way and never in a good way? You either hear about someone killing someone or someone taking their own life but you never ever hear about guns be used in a good way. You hit the nail on the head with both your statements. You never hear on the news of how a gun owner saved a life or how a gun owner prevented a tragedy. And yes it happens all the time. That's the media for ya. And the police... they do not live with you, it takes time for them to get to you and not only that it takes time to call them. In seconds you or your family can be shot dead, stabbed dead, or what not. I know there is no way in hell I would depend on the police. Sometimes they don't even bother responding. And when calling 911 they scrutinize you and give you attitude as if it's a bother they have to do their job. Then the police come and give more attitude (if they even decide to come that is). They are not all that way but around here most are unfortunately. That's why I have a sign on my door warning people that I don't call 911.
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Post by Jack Specific on Feb 3, 2013 14:01:42 GMT -5
Chuck Woolery says it all!
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