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Post by koreygunz on Jan 20, 2013 13:11:26 GMT -5
With recent topics about matches that never happened and the transition the WWF was in in 1992, in got me thinking about WrestleMania 8 and the card it was planned to have before a big upheaval. WM8 is still on of the best WMs in my opinion, but if you look at the card that was originally planned, I say it would have been THE best WrestleMania of all time. This was the planned card:
WWF Title: Flair (c) vs Hogan Loser Leaves WWF: Randy Savage vs Jake Roberts Undertaker vs Sid Justice IC Title: Roddy Piper (c) vs Bret Hart Tag Team Titles: Money Inc (c) vs Legion of Doom Shawn Michaels vs Marty Jannetty
Just on those six matches alone, even if the rest of the card that night stayed the same, it would have been one of the most star studded cards ever. We would have gotten Flair/Hogan in their primes, closure to the Savage/Roberts feud, the Rockers expoding, and maybe even the Undertakers WM streak ending before it even began (assuming Taker would be the heel against the face Justice, you would think Justice would probably have been given the win unless they knew he was on the way out anyway).
Just thinking about the potential really makes me wonder what if...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 13:42:51 GMT -5
It really did seem like that is what they were going with. I want to say that I swear there was a WWF Magazine out leading to Wrestlemania 8 that had those matches kind of penciled in there.
Cause I remember when it all changed around, I was like "What?!?!" and I was only 11 years old at the time, and it still seemed so weird how everything changed so fast.
Sid heel turn Undertaker face turn Natural Disasters face turn
Just seemed like out of no where that Vince changed things. I wonder if it had to do with Hogan all of a sudden saying "I'm taking time off, brother!!"
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Post by McBlake on Jan 20, 2013 13:44:33 GMT -5
The way they're heading, WM29 could well take that honour.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 13:53:58 GMT -5
Honestly, apart from Jannetty/Shawn the card we got was better.
Hogan/Flair would have been an absolute train wreck. Savage was a much better wrestler than Hogan, and was able to carry Flair to a good match.
The biggest disappointment is that The New Foundation had disbanded by the time WM8 had rolled around.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Jan 20, 2013 13:59:00 GMT -5
Honestly, apart from Jannetty/Shawn the card we got was better. Hogan/Flair would have been an absolute train wreck. Savage was a much better wrestler than Hogan, and was able to carry Flair to a good match. Not sure about that, I am sure Hogan/Flair would have torn the house down (imo). While the Savage match is an under appreciated classic, we could have got that later in the year, Wrestlemania was the correct stage for Hogan vs Flair.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 14:48:47 GMT -5
LOD vs Money Inc was my biggest dissapointment here.......although Im certain that LOD were to be champs going in.....and Money Inc would "steal one" with LOD chasing them to Summerslam to retrieve the straps.
WM10 & 11 suffered from this too..
the Steiners were gonna reclaim the taggers at WM10(RR94 events intervened) and in UT vs Bigelow was at least talked about early on for WM11.ah what could have been.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 15:29:18 GMT -5
LOD vs Money Inc was my biggest dissapointment here.......although Im certain that LOD were to be champs going in.....and Money Inc would "steal one" with LOD chasing them to Summerslam to retrieve the straps. WM11 was another. the Steiners were gonna reclaim the taggers here(RR94 events intervened) and in UT vs Bigelow was at least talked about early on.ah what could have been. Do you mean WM10? I can't imagine that they'd book the Steiners to win the tag titles over 14 months in advance. I still can't believe that after Diesel's performance in the 94 rumble, he didn't get a squash match at WM10.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 15:42:16 GMT -5
yup sorry WM10 for the Steiners......they didnt even make the card.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 15:42:18 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 13 is another one too that we can discuss about.
If Bret Hart was scheduled to wrestle Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 13 that year, then who was Steve Austin gonna wrestle at that event??
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Post by Bartman on Jan 20, 2013 16:29:27 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 13 is another one too that we can discuss about. If Bret Hart was scheduled to wrestle Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 13 that year, then who was Steve Austin gonna wrestle at that event?? Most likely Undertaker. Honestly, you could probably do this for a lot of Wrestlemanias - rumoured or 'penciled in' match-ups. Probably not as drastic as Wrestlemania 8 though. Here's a great bit that I read in the past online. Not sure how much truth there is, but many of the rumoured matches I have heard about at some point.
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Post by Raine on Jan 20, 2013 16:36:54 GMT -5
The Jake/Savage match that should have taken place at WM8 was not originally booked as Loser Leaves Town.
If you watch Jake's WWE DVD, you'll see he says he would no show WM8, if Vince wouldnt release him from his contract. This was due to Jake being promised Pat Paterson's match finishes job, then not getting it.
This was a late in the day decision by Jake if I remember correctly possibly even the day of WM8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 16:44:58 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 13 is another one too that we can discuss about. If Bret Hart was scheduled to wrestle Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 13 that year, then who was Steve Austin gonna wrestle at that event?? Sid, Vader or Undertaker.
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Post by K5 on Jan 20, 2013 16:57:17 GMT -5
that was a great read, bartman.. ^
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 17:07:18 GMT -5
+1 Bartman......that was one helluva entertaining read.great stuff indeed!!
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Post by koreygunz on Jan 20, 2013 17:54:31 GMT -5
The Jake/Savage match that should have taken place at WM8 was not originally booked as Loser Leaves Town. If you watch Jake's WWE DVD, you'll see he says he would no show WM8, if Vince wouldnt release him from his contract. This was due to Jake being promised Pat Paterson's match finishes job, then not getting it. This was a late in the day decision by Jake if I remember correctly possibly even the day of WM8 Correct, Jake was under the impression that after WM8 he would be taking a booker position, hence the Loser Leaves WWF stipulation. Then when he found out he wouldnt be getting the posiiton, after the WM card had been changed already, he threatened to not compete at Mania unless he was given a release. So the Loser Leaves stip was planned for the Savage/Roberts match to explain Roberts' disappearance from the WWF on screen.
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Post by Scott! on Jan 20, 2013 18:40:54 GMT -5
I would loved to have seen Kurt ange/Austin at a WM, they had some great matches in 2001 plus their two eventual seperate WM18 matches were alright but imagine if they got a good 20-25 minutes. Could have been fantastic.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 20, 2013 18:55:52 GMT -5
The biggest missed WM matches to me...
WM 16 - HHH vs Rock vs Austin vs Taker
Foley stated in his book that Vince didn't want a one on one match that year at WM because he felt it was too predictable. These four were the biggest stars in 1999, and the McMahons could have still hogged the spotlight in this match. As we know Austin had neck surgery in Nov/Dec 99, so he was removed. Taker was origionally suppose to return at the 2000 Royal Rumble, but also got reinjured. Obviously Taker's streak wouldn't be intact, but imagine how much heal heat HHH would have recieved had he gone over Austin and Taker instead of Foley and Big Show.
WM14 - Bret vs Austin
It was basically built up all throughout 1997 that they were going to have a rematch at WM14. Bret won at WM13, and Austin then began a near year long feud w/ the Hart Foundation. Austin had already gone after Pillman, Bulldog, and was ending a current feud w/ Owen when Bret was screwed. It made total sense to have Austin end his feud w/ them by avenging his loss the year before to Bret. And considering we got one of the greatest matches ever from them at WM13, its a shame we didn't get to see Austin go over him the following year.
WM13 - Mankind vs Vader and Owen vs Bulldog
Foley and Vader had some brutal matches in WCW, and imagine how good this would have been had they been given 15-20 minutes and a street fight stipulation. Owen and Bulldog had been teasing a break up around this time, and we know they would have put on another classic over the European Title.
WM8 - Hogan vs Flair
Savage and Flair put on a decent match, but I was never really into it. Hogan and Flair was the match everyone wanted to see. While the match wouldn't have been much, the promos and buildup would have been great as we would have seen the two biggest stars of the 80s go at it.
WM9 - Hart vs Savage
Why we didn't get this I'll never know. Yeah, Vince wanted to get Yoko over, but before Hogan changed the plans for WM9, Bret said in his book that the plan was for him to go over Yoko anyway. Savage was still in his prime and him and Bret would have lit it up and saved an otherwise bad card. Yoko could have taken out Hogan or another face and then began a feud w/ Bret after WM.
WM18 - Angle vs Mr. Perfect
Pisses me off that Vince could have done this yet didn't for no reason. Angle and Kane was a last second match thrown together, and neither man was really into it given their performances. Perfect had nothing going on either. Two of the greatest technical wrestlers had nothing going on, yet nothing was done about it. All they had to do was have Angle come out and brag about beating a technical guy like Benoit the year before, and then have Perfect come out and challenge him for WM. Give em 15 minutes, and it would have been an instant classic.
WM11 - Bret vs Owen
Both were in lackluster matches at WM11, and logic would have said put em together for one last match. Perople loved their feud, they always gave 5* performances, so why not throw em together one last time.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 20, 2013 19:38:25 GMT -5
one major thing screwed up a few Mania 8 matches:
Sid Justice,in his contract,being promised the main event match at WM 8 against Hogan. so that right there forced Hogan out of the Flair match,which caused Randy Savage to be inserted, changing the Jake-Savage match. and the Undertaker-Sid match had to be changed as well. I don't know if Vince initially never planned to honor Sid's contract to begin with,or he thought he could talk Sid into changing it,or what?
HBK talked in his book how it was indeed supposed to be the payoff to the Rockers feud at WM 8 with Marty vs Shawn, but Jannetty got himself fired between the Royal Rumble and WM.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 6:34:17 GMT -5
Yeah Owen vs Bulldog should have def happened at WM13, IIRC The Bulldog eliminated Owen from the Rumble and they broke up for a bit after WM13 which led to the Hart Foundation being reformed anyway.
I still get infuriated thinking what the WM18 card could have been with the talent that they had at the time.
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Post by Road Warriors on Jan 21, 2013 15:19:36 GMT -5
Honestly, apart from Jannetty/Shawn the card we got was better. Hogan/Flair would have been an absolute train wreck. Savage was a much better wrestler than Hogan, and was able to carry Flair to a good match.The biggest disappointment is that The New Foundation had disbanded by the time WM8 had rolled around. Once again your out of your god damn mind. Go back and watch Flair work from 76 to 91. There is a reason the NWA made this man their World Champion. You dumb found me sometimes Anvil Fan.
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