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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 14:54:41 GMT -5
Just ignore them. And if the ideology is pure then why not? And if they are the majority? Sent from my GT-P7510 using proboards Then the revolution would have been unsuccessful if they where the majority. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 14:57:47 GMT -5
But I have never advocated it And its not called brainwashing its called mass teaching and its the cleanest and less violent way of spreading a message. Just look at this: www.campaignforliberty.org/Libertarians love brainwashing too. What about that is brainwashing? I don't see anyone advocating for mass re-education camps like you are suggesting. That organization is known to hold rallies where they preach that Obama has stormtroopers and that they are going to take you to these "FEMA Camps" and it got really bad with my one friend who nearly killed himself because of this crazed brainwashing. SO you see what libertarianism does? It causes fear and the feeling of hopelessness in someone. That is what I hate the idea and I would compare it to the ideas of Mussolini and Hitler. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 14:59:30 GMT -5
Hey, don't attack the man - the Soviets were our allies during WWII and helped us take out Hitler and Nazi Germany. Communism is probably more tolerable than the Nazis' version of fascism. Communism is the most tolerable ideology to exist, it preaches equality, sharing, and a harmonious society! Fascism alone is bad because it teaches that nationalism and racism are alright. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 15:02:26 GMT -5
Hey, don't attack the man - the Soviets were our allies during WWII and helped us take out Hitler and Nazi Germany. Communism is probably more tolerable than the Nazis' version of fascism. Hell, the Soviets essentially won WWII. They put in far more than anybody else. The Soviets would have eliminated Hitler much faster if it wasn't for Stalin's purges because he murder most of the experienced Generals. Ah If only Leon Trotsky was the General Secretary. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 1, 2013 15:05:07 GMT -5
So now you are saying that you would take away the courts power to enforce their orders. Therefore the court is now toothless.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 1, 2013 17:12:00 GMT -5
And if they are the majority? Sent from my GT-P7510 using proboards Then the revolution would have been unsuccessful if they where the majority. The thing is those preaching freedom under communist regimes quickly become the majority. This is why communist regimes have the highest number of imprisoned journalists in the world and historically have executed people simply for their political beliefs. |
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Post by slappy on Feb 1, 2013 17:30:06 GMT -5
What about that is brainwashing? I don't see anyone advocating for mass re-education camps like you are suggesting. That organization is known to hold rallies where they preach that Obama has stormtroopers and that they are going to take you to these "FEMA Camps" and it got really bad with my one friend who nearly killed himself because of this crazed brainwashing. SO you see what libertarianism does? It causes fear and the feeling of hopelessness in someone. That is what I hate the idea and I would compare it to the ideas of Mussolini and Hitler. Source on that, please. No one is to blame but your friend for him almost killing himself. What "brainwashing" did they do to him anyways? I mean actually brainwashing not someone gave a speech either. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 1, 2013 17:31:06 GMT -5
Hey, don't attack the man - the Soviets were our allies during WWII and helped us take out Hitler and Nazi Germany. Communism is probably more tolerable than the Nazis' version of fascism. Communism is the most tolerable ideology to exist, it preaches equality, sharing, and a harmonious society! Fascism alone is bad because it teaches that nationalism and racism are alright. It preaches it, but it never practices it. |
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Post by slappy on Feb 1, 2013 17:33:40 GMT -5
So now you are saying that you would take away the courts power to enforce their orders. Therefore the court is now toothless. I'm saying the government has many other options before they have to stoop to stealing from the employer. I still don't see how seizing the employers assets will get the employee of the employer to give the arbitrator his money. Once the employer gets his stuff taken because he refused to comply with the order, he would most likely fire the employee. Now he can't garnish his wages because he doesn't work there anymore. Will the government give the employer his assets back now that the employee no longer works for him? |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 1, 2013 18:13:40 GMT -5
So now you are saying that you would take away the courts power to enforce their orders. Therefore the court is now toothless. I'm saying the government has many other options before they have to stoop to stealing from the employer. I still don't see how seizing the employers assets will get the employee of the employer to give the arbitrator his money. Once the employer gets his stuff taken because he refused to comply with the order, he would most likely fire the employee. Now he can't garnish his wages because he doesn't work there anymore. Will the government give the employer his assets back now that the employee no longer works for him? They really don't. Let's say I'm doing construction on my house. A crane knocks down a part of your house on accident. Fortunately no one is home. It does 10k of damage to your house. You give me the bill. I tell you to go pound sand. You sue me. The judge is going to find in your favor 'cuz I'm clearly at fault. But you're still screwed. You can go to my bank, but in your system there's nothing to force the bank to give you my money since the bank can't be punished for not enforcing the judgement. You can go to my employer, but the employer won't garnish my wages 'cuz in your system nothing forces him to do so. You can't hold him in contempt of court. So you can't get my money from the bank. You can't get the money that I'm earning from my employer. What are you going to do? Kick in my door? |
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Post by slappy on Feb 1, 2013 18:29:48 GMT -5
I'm saying the government has many other options before they have to stoop to stealing from the employer. I still don't see how seizing the employers assets will get the employee of the employer to give the arbitrator his money. Once the employer gets his stuff taken because he refused to comply with the order, he would most likely fire the employee. Now he can't garnish his wages because he doesn't work there anymore. Will the government give the employer his assets back now that the employee no longer works for him? They really don't. Let's say I'm doing construction on my house. A crane knocks down a part of your house on accident. Fortunately no one is home. It does 10k of damage to your house. You give me the bill. I tell you to go pound sand. You sue me. The judge is going to find in your favor 'cuz I'm clearly at fault. But you're still screwed. You can go to my bank, but in your system there's nothing to force the bank to give you my money since the bank can't be punished for not enforcing the judgement. You can go to my employer, but the employer won't garnish my wages 'cuz in your system nothing forces him to do so. You can't hold him in contempt of court. So you can't get my money from the bank. You can't get the money that I'm earning from my employer. What are you going to do? Kick in my door? Why would the bank not comply? Banks are a business, they aren't in business to protect their customers from lawsuits. But as I've said, the employer gets his stuff seized and then he fires the employee because of it. The employer can't garnish the wages anymore because the employee no longer gets a paycheck there. So does the government give the employer his stuff back or do they just keep it? What if the employer refuses even after his stuff has been seized? He gets thrown in jail? You are going to throw the employer in jail because his employee won't fork over money he owes? If it comes to it, why not seize the property or belongings of the person who owes the arbitrator (or knocked down part of my house)? Why go straight for the employer instead of exhausting punishments for the employee? What if the person who owes the arbitrator money doesn't have a job? What do you do then? You seize his assets but what if he rents a house or apartment, can't seize that. The only option would be his car and that may not be enough (or maybe he doesn't even own a car). Do you sell his bed, tv, etc? What do you do if the person doesn't have the money to pay it? You'd probably throw them in jail but that doesn't pay off his debts. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 19:53:46 GMT -5
Communism is the most tolerable ideology to exist, it preaches equality, sharing, and a harmonious society! Fascism alone is bad because it teaches that nationalism and racism are alright. It preaches it, but it never practices it. Except there has never been a communist government there has only been socialist governments. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 20:01:41 GMT -5
That organization is known to hold rallies where they preach that Obama has stormtroopers and that they are going to take you to these "FEMA Camps" and it got really bad with my one friend who nearly killed himself because of this crazed brainwashing. SO you see what libertarianism does? It causes fear and the feeling of hopelessness in someone. That is what I hate the idea and I would compare it to the ideas of Mussolini and Hitler. Source on that, please. No one is to blame but your friend for him almost killing himself. What "brainwashing" did they do to him anyways? I mean actually brainwashing not someone gave a speech either. And the vicious and vindictive libertarian media is to blame for him almost killing himself. Well he was a strong libertarian on his views, he went to most rallies and he only read libertarian news sources which Campaign for Liberty was his favorite which brainwashed him to believe that Obama was going to come for him and lock him up. Thankfully I notice a behavior change and I finally got the reason which was pure paranoia and anxiety from the brainwashing so I give him The Communist Manifesto and he read it and he came back and now me and him hold a two man Marxist rally in our town every so often. And you talk about "freedom of speech" well I think I'd advocate outlawing groups like that who brainwash to the point of the thought of killing themselves. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 20:04:12 GMT -5
Then the revolution would have been unsuccessful if they where the majority. The thing is those preaching freedom under communist regimes quickly become the majority. This is why communist regimes have the highest number of imprisoned journalists in the world and historically have executed people simply for their political beliefs. Yeah and its those same people preaching "freedom" while being racist, greedy, and deceitful people. And sure but have you read what they have been imprisoned for? Sick things actually. And no one has been executed for their political beliefs. Man, what have you been reading? |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 20:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by slappy on Feb 1, 2013 20:19:47 GMT -5
Source on that, please. No one is to blame but your friend for him almost killing himself. What "brainwashing" did they do to him anyways? I mean actually brainwashing not someone gave a speech either. And the vicious and vindictive libertarian media is to blame for him almost killing himself. Well he was a strong libertarian on his views, he went to most rallies and he only read libertarian news sources which Campaign for Liberty was his favorite which brainwashed him to believe that Obama was going to come for him and lock him up. Thankfully I notice a behavior change and I finally got the reason which was pure paranoia and anxiety from the brainwashing so I give him The Communist Manifesto and he read it and he came back and now me and him hold a two man Marxist rally in our town every so often. And you talk about "freedom of speech" well I think I'd advocate outlawing groups like that who brainwash to the point of the thought of killing themselves. Those are two blog posts not rallies where they have people preaching this stuff. Those things were also posted 4 years ago. One comment between the two postings. They sure are getting their message out. "Libertarian media" lol LMAO to the whole story. I doubt it's even true because it makes Libertarians out to be crazy and the only thing that can save us is Marx. It's laughable and you should be ashamed for peddling false stories. Even if it is somehow true, how did the site brainwash him? They didn't force him to read it. They didn't hold a gun to his head and make him believe any of it. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 20:31:34 GMT -5
secure.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=9805secure.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=14585And the vicious and vindictive libertarian media is to blame for him almost killing himself. Well he was a strong libertarian on his views, he went to most rallies and he only read libertarian news sources which Campaign for Liberty was his favorite which brainwashed him to believe that Obama was going to come for him and lock him up. Thankfully I notice a behavior change and I finally got the reason which was pure paranoia and anxiety from the brainwashing so I give him The Communist Manifesto and he read it and he came back and now me and him hold a two man Marxist rally in our town every so often. And you talk about "freedom of speech" well I think I'd advocate outlawing groups like that who brainwash to the point of the thought of killing themselves. Those are two blog posts not rallies where they have people preaching this stuff. Those things were also posted 4 years ago. One comment between the two postings. They sure are getting their message out. "Libertarian media" lol LMAO to the whole story. I doubt it's even true because it makes Libertarians out to be crazy and the only thing that can save us is Marx. It's laughable and you should be ashamed for peddling false stories. Even if it is somehow true, how did the site brainwash him? They didn't force him to read it. They didn't hold a gun to his head and make him believe any of it. I can't find the exact video but it was a Campaign for Rally speaker talking about how they "classify you, arrest you, and who they are" The story is real and you just refuse to admit that your belief is vicious and the leader of your movement is a racist homophobic asshat. Its called being devout and going on it everyday because it catered to his beliefs. |
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Post by slappy on Feb 1, 2013 20:39:05 GMT -5
Those are two blog posts not rallies where they have people preaching this stuff. Those things were also posted 4 years ago. One comment between the two postings. They sure are getting their message out. "Libertarian media" lol LMAO to the whole story. I doubt it's even true because it makes Libertarians out to be crazy and the only thing that can save us is Marx. It's laughable and you should be ashamed for peddling false stories. Even if it is somehow true, how did the site brainwash him? They didn't force him to read it. They didn't hold a gun to his head and make him believe any of it. I can't find the exact video but it was a Campaign for Rally speaker talking about how they "classify you, arrest you, and who they are" The story is real and you just refuse to admit that your belief is vicious and the leader of your movement is a racist homophobic asshat. Its called being devout and going on it everyday because it catered to his beliefs. Going to need something more than that. My belief is vicious? We aren't the ones going around killing people for disagreeing with us. We really don't have a leader. You refuse to look at how I've disproven Paul's racism and homophobia because if what I say is true that throws out your whole argument. That's not being brainwashed. You clearly have no idea what brainwashing is. How does reading one book throw out years of "brainwashing"? Those that are truly brainwashed aren't going to stop their beliefs because they read one book to the contrary. |
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Post by alwayssunny on Feb 1, 2013 20:51:41 GMT -5
I can't find the exact video but it was a Campaign for Rally speaker talking about how they "classify you, arrest you, and who they are" The story is real and you just refuse to admit that your belief is vicious and the leader of your movement is a racist homophobic asshat. Its called being devout and going on it everyday because it catered to his beliefs. Going to need something more than that. My belief is vicious? We aren't the ones going around killing people for disagreeing with us. We really don't have a leader. You refuse to look at how I've disproven Paul's racism and homophobia because if what I say is true that throws out your whole argument. That's not being brainwashed. You clearly have no idea what brainwashing is. How does reading one book throw out years of "brainwashing"? Those that are truly brainwashed aren't going to stop their beliefs because they read one book to the contrary. 1. What else do I need? 2. Your belief goes around killing people for no reason because "health care isn't a right" and "housing and necessities isn't a right" 3. Yeah you do, King Ronny Paul and Queen Gary Johnson 4. You refuse to look how I've proven it. 5. It is indeed brainwashing 6. Because it opened him to a new belief and to show how he was wrong in the past and how those speakers and news articles where very wrong. |
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Post by slappy on Feb 1, 2013 21:01:40 GMT -5
Going to need something more than that. My belief is vicious? We aren't the ones going around killing people for disagreeing with us. We really don't have a leader. You refuse to look at how I've disproven Paul's racism and homophobia because if what I say is true that throws out your whole argument. That's not being brainwashed. You clearly have no idea what brainwashing is. How does reading one book throw out years of "brainwashing"? Those that are truly brainwashed aren't going to stop their beliefs because they read one book to the contrary. 1. What else do I need? 2. Your belief goes around killing people for no reason because "health care isn't a right" and "housing and necessities isn't a right" 3. Yeah you do, King Ronny Paul and Queen Gary Johnson 4. You refuse to look how I've proven it. 5. It is indeed brainwashing 6. Because it opened him to a new belief and to show how he was wrong in the past and how those speakers and news articles where very wrong. You have not shown one thing that shows they brainwash people. 2 blog posts that had one comment between them and some video you can't find is not proof. You do not have the right to take money from people. Why is it wrong for people to keep the money they earn? Paul, if he was the leader of the whole movement (which he wasn't), is retired now. Gary Johnson was the Presidential candidate for the LP but that does not make him the leader either. Bob Barr was LP nominee in 2008 and he was not a Libertarian by any stretch of the imagination. How have you proven it? You showed me a video with a guy reading the newsletter. That is not proof. How is it brainwashing? What you advocate (state media and re-education camps, forced rethinking) is brainwashing. Why would he trust that book though? How did that book wipe away all his "brainwashing"? If you are set in your ways, like someone who is brainwashed is, how will simply reading a book undo all the brainwashing? How does he know what he was reading was true? Why did he take it at face value and assume what he was reading was 100% correct and that his old thoughts were wrong? |
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