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Post by slappy on Jan 30, 2013 21:12:48 GMT -5
Are you saying it was ok to kill them because they disagreed with Marx? No, I am saying that those priest wanted to go back to a feudalistic society where only the bourgeoisie can succeed where as the proletariat are left to wither and die. So the suppression of that thought is vital to create a harmonious, loving, and supporting society. Of course you are going to have a harmonious, loving and supporting society because the only people still alive will be ones that like that society. Everyone else will be killed. You have got to be trolling because there is no way a non-sociopath advocates for the death of those that disagree with them.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 30, 2013 21:16:09 GMT -5
Are you saying it was ok to kill them because they disagreed with Marx? No, I am saying that those priest wanted to go back to a feudalistic society where only the bourgeoisie can succeed where as the proletariat are left to wither and die. So the suppression of that thought is vital to create a harmonious, loving, and supporting society. So executing people who disagree with you politically is acceptable. Yikes. Suddenly I'm scared.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 21:45:20 GMT -5
A. Except Jones shares alot of the same beliefs of libertarianism whereas Stalin, Mao, and Pot don't share a single idea of communism B. You explain alot of things, are they true? No C. RON PAUL. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT HIS NAME? D. So you want a president who doesn't do anything major to help the United States? E. If a business is hateful, the government should step in. F. Except the ideas of Marxism are still very relevant today: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/25/karl-marx-relevant-21st-centuryG. I don't have to be black to be against racism now do I? Its the same situation, I don't have to be gay to be a strong supporter for gay marriage. H. Except he isn't in public and his writings because he knows where it will get him nowhere in his career. I. Then explain to me, who is your media voice then? J. Then fine, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, did not cause a single death under his leadership. You can share some beliefs and not fully be something. Some Republicans claim to be anti-tax, which would be a part of Libertarianism but that doesn't make them Libertarians. You only think they are not true because you have preconceived notions and believe everything you read (as long as it fits your agenda). Again, JAMES POWELL. He wrote them. You have ZERO proof that Powell did not write them. But Cleveland did do major things to help by making sure he did not stray from the Constitution and that he did not wage war. And how would you like the government to enforce those equality laws? At the barrel of a gun, of course. He gives an example of ONE website asking the opinions of a Marxist. Hardly anything noteworthy. He also gives ONE example of noted loon (ad hominem, I know but if you are ok with them then ok) Paul Krugman. I never said that. I said you shouldn't be telling someone who is experiencing the discrimination/oppression how they should feel about it. What does "he isn't in public and his writings because he knows where it will get him nowhere in his career" mean? Are you saying your professor isn't a public figure and doesn't publish writings because he's so outside any logical thought that they'd be rejected? Reason magazine, CATO institute and Mises institute are all voices (not perfect voices but voices nonetheless, at least they have some voice unlike Jones). "Lenin's rapacious agricultural policies 1918-1923 created a famine that killed by starvation and associated diseases about 7,300,000 people." www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM1.LENIN.FAM.VIC2.HTMA. Except most libertarians do agree that Jones is a libertarian also. I remember you linking info wars many times in previous arguments we've had. So whats changed since then? B. Likewise with yourself C. Again, RON PAUL. He wrote them. You have ZERO proof that Paul did not write them. D. So he didn't help the United States just by making sure he didn't stray from a piece of paper? E. Again, you and you crazy libertarians and your gun argument F. Same with your link down below with the soooo called Famine caused by Lenin. You are really getting hypocritical of yourself arent you? G. yeah you did, you said Good excuse H. No because he wants to give an unbiased message for his students and peers. I. Reason magazine? hahah that's a funny title for a libertarian magazine. J. Cool, only a sentence and a picture. Totally true. ahhahaha
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 21:46:13 GMT -5
No, I am saying that those priest wanted to go back to a feudalistic society where only the bourgeoisie can succeed where as the proletariat are left to wither and die. So the suppression of that thought is vital to create a harmonious, loving, and supporting society. Of course you are going to have a harmonious, loving and supporting society because the only people still alive will be ones that like that society. Everyone else will be killed. You have got to be trolling because there is no way a non-sociopath advocates for the death of those that disagree with them. Its not disagreeing, its going against the evil thought of feudalism and elitism.
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Post by slappy on Jan 30, 2013 21:56:41 GMT -5
You can share some beliefs and not fully be something. Some Republicans claim to be anti-tax, which would be a part of Libertarianism but that doesn't make them Libertarians. You only think they are not true because you have preconceived notions and believe everything you read (as long as it fits your agenda). Again, JAMES POWELL. He wrote them. You have ZERO proof that Powell did not write them. But Cleveland did do major things to help by making sure he did not stray from the Constitution and that he did not wage war. And how would you like the government to enforce those equality laws? At the barrel of a gun, of course. He gives an example of ONE website asking the opinions of a Marxist. Hardly anything noteworthy. He also gives ONE example of noted loon (ad hominem, I know but if you are ok with them then ok) Paul Krugman. I never said that. I said you shouldn't be telling someone who is experiencing the discrimination/oppression how they should feel about it. What does "he isn't in public and his writings because he knows where it will get him nowhere in his career" mean? Are you saying your professor isn't a public figure and doesn't publish writings because he's so outside any logical thought that they'd be rejected? Reason magazine, CATO institute and Mises institute are all voices (not perfect voices but voices nonetheless, at least they have some voice unlike Jones). "Lenin's rapacious agricultural policies 1918-1923 created a famine that killed by starvation and associated diseases about 7,300,000 people." www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM1.LENIN.FAM.VIC2.HTMA. Except most libertarians do agree that Jones is a libertarian also. I remember you linking info wars many times in previous arguments we've had. So whats changed since then? B. Likewise with yourself C. Again, RON PAUL. He wrote them. You have ZERO proof that Paul did not write them. D. So he didn't help the United States just by making sure he didn't stray from a piece of paper? E. Again, you and you crazy libertarians and your gun argument F. Same with your link down below with the soooo called Famine caused by Lenin. You are really getting hypocritical of yourself arent you? G. yeah you did, you said Good excuse H. No because he wants to give an unbiased message for his students and peers. I. Reason magazine? hahah that's a funny title for a libertarian magazine. J. Cool, only a sentence and a picture. Totally true. ahhahaha I don't believe I've ever linked to them in an argument about political ideology. Infowars would never have been my source for actual political thought. But I have facts on my side, you don't have facts to support your assertion that Paul is so evil. Proof he didn't write them. ^ He also helped by not taking more money from people. How is it crazy? You are the one advocating violence and death for those that disagree with you. My link for the famine came from a Hawaiian University hence the .edu. You as a straight person should not be telling me a gay person how I should or have to feel about issues that impact me. But he is clearly biased. No matter the name, doesn't dispute what they write. There are plenty of sites that talk about and prove Lenin causing the deaths of millions but you won't accept any of them.
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Post by slappy on Jan 30, 2013 21:57:12 GMT -5
Of course you are going to have a harmonious, loving and supporting society because the only people still alive will be ones that like that society. Everyone else will be killed. You have got to be trolling because there is no way a non-sociopath advocates for the death of those that disagree with them. Its not disagreeing, its going against the evil thought of feudalism and elitism. But you think it's ok to kill them to suppress dissent.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:03:54 GMT -5
Its not disagreeing, its going against the evil thought of feudalism and elitism. But you think it's ok to kill them to suppress dissent. Its not really dissent, its sadistic s living in society trying to spread racism, hate, and greed.
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Post by slappy on Jan 30, 2013 22:08:09 GMT -5
But you think it's ok to kill them to suppress dissent. Its not really dissent, its sadistic s living in society trying to spread racism, hate, and greed. But you haven't said that killing them is bad. Your ideology hates the rich, is it ok to kill you? I mean hate is hate. Greed is a part of your ideology too because it says the government knows best when it comes to money. Government is greedy.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 30, 2013 22:10:40 GMT -5
But you think it's ok to kill them to suppress dissent. Its not really dissent, its sadistic s living in society trying to spread racism, hate, and greed. So people who spread racism, hate and greed should be killed by the state?
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:14:18 GMT -5
A. Except most libertarians do agree that Jones is a libertarian also. I remember you linking info wars many times in previous arguments we've had. So whats changed since then? B. Likewise with yourself C. Again, RON PAUL. He wrote them. You have ZERO proof that Paul did not write them. D. So he didn't help the United States just by making sure he didn't stray from a piece of paper? E. Again, you and you crazy libertarians and your gun argument F. Same with your link down below with the soooo called Famine caused by Lenin. You are really getting hypocritical of yourself arent you? G. yeah you did, you said Good excuse H. No because he wants to give an unbiased message for his students and peers. I. Reason magazine? hahah that's a funny title for a libertarian magazine. J. Cool, only a sentence and a picture. Totally true. ahhahaha I don't believe I've ever linked to them in an argument about political ideology. Infowars would never have been my source for actual political thought. But I have facts on my side, you don't have facts to support your assertion that Paul is so evil. Proof he didn't write them. ^ He also helped by not taking more money from people. How is it crazy? You are the one advocating violence and death for those that disagree with you. My link for the famine came from a Hawaiian University hence the .edu. You as a straight person should not be telling me a gay person how I should or have to feel about issues that impact me. But he is clearly biased. No matter the name, doesn't dispute what they write. There are plenty of sites that talk about and prove Lenin causing the deaths of millions but you won't accept any of them. A. OH YES YOU HAVE, Its shame that those forums got deleted because I would have so much crap against you. B. Yes I do, that link, his political platform, AND his history C. PROOF HE DID: D. Which is good, but he also could have helped them improve their lives. E. Because, Marxism never FORCES anything even with the means of a weapon. And No I'm not, Im talking about eliminating racism, hate, and greed. F. Oh, .edu, I can register a website with an edu you know that? G. But what if I am giving you your right marry? H. Yeah but not openly I. Yup, sure. J. Because they are clearly bullcrapand anti-Marxist propaganda that has been spinning for decades by capitalist media.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:15:16 GMT -5
Its not really dissent, its sadistic s living in society trying to spread racism, hate, and greed. So people who spread racism, hate and greed should be killed by the state? Technically its called being brought up by crimes and being swiftly dealt with.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:16:59 GMT -5
Its not really dissent, its sadistic s living in society trying to spread racism, hate, and greed. But you haven't said that killing them is bad. Your ideology hates the rich, is it ok to kill you? I mean hate is hate. Greed is a part of your ideology too because it says the government knows best when it comes to money. Government is greedy. My ideology doesn't hate the rich, it just says that they have been given way to much and that they have been wasting societies resources.
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Post by slappy on Jan 30, 2013 22:23:01 GMT -5
I don't believe I've ever linked to them in an argument about political ideology. Infowars would never have been my source for actual political thought. But I have facts on my side, you don't have facts to support your assertion that Paul is so evil. Proof he didn't write them. ^ He also helped by not taking more money from people. How is it crazy? You are the one advocating violence and death for those that disagree with you. My link for the famine came from a Hawaiian University hence the .edu. You as a straight person should not be telling me a gay person how I should or have to feel about issues that impact me. But he is clearly biased. No matter the name, doesn't dispute what they write. There are plenty of sites that talk about and prove Lenin causing the deaths of millions but you won't accept any of them. A. OH YES YOU HAVE, Its shame that those forums got deleted because I would have so much crap against you. B. Yes I do, that link, his political platform, AND his history C. PROOF HE DID: D. Which is good, but he also could have helped them improve their lives. E. Because, Marxism never FORCES anything even with the means of a weapon. And No I'm not, Im talking about eliminating racism, hate, and greed. F. Oh, .edu, I can register a website with an edu you know that? G. But what if I am giving you your right marry? H. Yeah but not openly I. Yup, sure. J. Because they are clearly bullcrap and anti-Marxist propaganda that has been spinning for decades by capitalist media. I wasn't even a libertarian when I was on those other forums. I don't even know why we are talking about Paul. A Libertarian? Yes. Every Libertarian? No. "Maoist Rebel News" LMAO That link gives NO proof. It's just some dude saying he did. That's not proof at all. Never forces? How do you think you get the taxes from people? How do you think you get the profit from the companies? How do you think you suppress dissent? Of course you use force. But it is from a Hawaiian University. Oh thank you straight person, without you us gays would never be like you straights. Obviously he is since you know about it. YOU are advocating for the deaths of those that do not agree with your stances. If you, a person without power, is doing that imagine what a person with power would do to those that disagree.
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Post by slappy on Jan 30, 2013 22:24:39 GMT -5
So people who spread racism, hate and greed should be killed by the state? Technically its called being brought up by crimes and being swiftly dealt with. I guess the US could make it a law that Marxism is illegal and it's adherents are to be killed and you'd have to be ok with it because it's called "being brought up by crimes and being swiftly dealt with."
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:30:54 GMT -5
A. OH YES YOU HAVE, Its shame that those forums got deleted because I would have so much crap against you. B. Yes I do, that link, his political platform, AND his history C. PROOF HE DID: D. Which is good, but he also could have helped them improve their lives. E. Because, Marxism never FORCES anything even with the means of a weapon. And No I'm not, Im talking about eliminating racism, hate, and greed. F. Oh, .edu, I can register a website with an edu you know that? G. But what if I am giving you your right marry? H. Yeah but not openly I. Yup, sure. J. Because they are clearly bullcrap and anti-Marxist propaganda that has been spinning for decades by capitalist media. I wasn't even a libertarian when I was on those other forums. I don't even know why we are talking about Paul. A Libertarian? Yes. Every Libertarian? No. "Maoist Rebel News" LMAO That link gives NO proof. It's just some dude saying he did. That's not proof at all. Never forces? How do you think you get the taxes from people? How do you think you get the profit from the companies? How do you think you suppress dissent? Of course you use force. But it is from a Hawaiian University. Oh thank you straight person, without you us gays would never be like you straights. Obviously he is since you know about it. YOU are advocating for the deaths of those that do not agree with your stances. If you, a person without power, is doing that imagine what a person with power would do to those that disagree. A. Sureee you where. You even said so yourself in those forums B. If you dont like talking about then you should have dropped it from the argument C. Hes a very credible source, hes one of the best reporters out there. I have personally talked to him on acouple occasions and hes a very down to earth guy. You should subscribe to his videos and watch them. Maybe you will become a Marxist to! D. For you its not proof E. If you are a normal citizen you would pay your taxes. Just by requesting them source. By creating a state run media and by out matching them by making the population a Marxist population, like Cuba, in the 60s Marxism wasnt popular yet but in the 70s an overwhelming support for Marxism was present F. You dont know their track record G. ahahah H. Because we've talked and actually sat down an argued I. No, I am advocating the elimination of greed, hate, and racism.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:31:30 GMT -5
Technically its called being brought up by crimes and being swiftly dealt with. I guess the US could make it a law that Marxism is illegal and it's adherents are to be killed and you'd have to be ok with it because it's called "being brought up by crimes and being swiftly dealt with." But Marxism isnt a hate group soooo yeah.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 30, 2013 22:32:37 GMT -5
So people who spread racism, hate and greed should be killed by the state? Technically its called being brought up by crimes and being swiftly dealt with. Wow. I have nothing at all to add. You are advocating the execution of those who disagree with you politically solely because they disagree with you. I can't even see where you are coming from with that one. you seriously want a society where people are executed for being greedy? Sent from my GT-P7510 using proboards
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:34:25 GMT -5
Also according to you libertarians
1) government is a monopoly on force, and 2) monopolies can't exist without government.
Conclusion: government can't exist without government.
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Post by slappy on Jan 30, 2013 22:37:00 GMT -5
I wasn't even a libertarian when I was on those other forums. I don't even know why we are talking about Paul. A Libertarian? Yes. Every Libertarian? No. "Maoist Rebel News" LMAO That link gives NO proof. It's just some dude saying he did. That's not proof at all. Never forces? How do you think you get the taxes from people? How do you think you get the profit from the companies? How do you think you suppress dissent? Of course you use force. But it is from a Hawaiian University. Oh thank you straight person, without you us gays would never be like you straights. Obviously he is since you know about it. YOU are advocating for the deaths of those that do not agree with your stances. If you, a person without power, is doing that imagine what a person with power would do to those that disagree. A. Sureee you where. You even said so yourself in those forums B. If you dont like talking about then you should have dropped it from the argument C. Hes a very credible source, hes one of the best reporters out there. I have personally talked to him on acouple occasions and hes a very down to earth guy. You should subscribe to his videos and watch them. Maybe you will become a Marxist to! D. For you its not proof E. If you are a normal citizen you would pay your taxes. Just by requesting them source. By creating a state run media and by out matching them by making the population a Marxist population, like Cuba, in the 60s Marxism wasnt popular yet but in the 70s an overwhelming support for Marxism was present F. You dont know their track record G. ahahah H. Because we've talked and actually sat down an argued I. No, I am advocating the elimination of greed, hate, and racism. I never link to Infowars for politics, there are plenty of other sites for that. I would have linked to Infowars for any of the conspiracy stuff they put up. You would have kept bringing it up. I mean you brought him up when no one was even talking about him. He could be the best reporter in the world that does not mean what he presented was proof. He just read from the newsletters and said that was proof Paul wrote them. That is not proof. I could read Lenin's works and say Stalin wrote it. I don't have proof of that but I guess if I make a youtube video saying so that means there is enough proof. When you kill those that don't like your system, of course you are only going to have those that like it left. You can say it's popular but it's only popular because the people fear for their lives. No one in the US has to fear for their life simply for believing the system we have is bad. You are advocating for the death of those that are greedy, who are racist and those who hate. Of course you can just claim a people are those things and kill them. You don't need proof, you just kill.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 30, 2013 22:40:18 GMT -5
Technically its called being brought up by crimes and being swiftly dealt with. Wow. I have nothing at all to add. You are advocating the execution of those who disagree with you politically solely because they disagree with you. I can't even see where you are coming from with that one. you seriously want a society where people are executed for being greedy? Sent from my GT-P7510 using proboards Glad I got you out of the conversation finally with your nonsensical bickering about your bickering and your false accusations that Lenin ordered the deaths of 8000 priests whereas he had no reason to? Just like the "Black Book of Communism" that is another story spun in the early 20s against Lenin by Nationalist Europeans. Wilson was quick to agree with that story since the bolsheviks destroyed the Mensheviks in the civil war which the US gave support to the Menshevieks. Goodbye DOC!
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